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Coming from the guy who referred to the victims of ISIS and Al Qaeda as “traitors and collaborators”....it’s blatantly obvious that you are nothing more than another CT obsessive, just like your oh so beloved sources, wailing out your dismay at your disgusting garbage not being taken seriously.

The real “wicked fun” is watching you humiliate yourself over and over and over again, showing exactly why your despicable beliefs will never see any success.

:lol:

...talk about despicable!...this from a blathering republicrat cheerleader for the reigning world-champion terrorist bombers/killers, arms dealers, spies, puppetmaster$, etc.! ...ostrich boy... :lol:

...and thanks for the readership!...
 
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...talk about despicable!...this from a blathering republicrat cheerleader for the reigning world-champion terrorist bombers/killers, arms dealers, spies, puppetmaster$, etc.! ...ostrich boy... :lol:

...and thanks for the readership!...

Oh look, more incoherent CTer rage, hysterically shrieking nonsense all over the place.

The US is the world champion destroyer of your heroes in ISIS and Al Qaeda. Who knows how many innocent people— err, “traitors”— weren’t blown up at markets or machine gunned for going to school because we crushed one arm of your idols after the other.

Whining about “spies” is pretty pathetic. Literally everyone in the world spies on each other. It’s human nature.

You better hope the only place your garbage exists is online, because it’s perfectly suited....for toilet paper.
 
The US is the world champion destroyer of your heroes in ISIS and Al Qaeda. Who knows how many innocent people— err, “traitors”— weren’t blown up at markets or machine gunned for going to school because we crushed one arm of your idols after the other.....

...do you have any numbers or just more crap?

...here are some estimates of the killing, etc. your stinking republicrats have done: https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/body-count.pdf

...you have anything except your mouth? ;)
 
AGAIN, NOTHING but your stinking brain-laundered republicrat opinion:...here's more on your stinking republicrat 'war of terror': Summary of Findings | Costs of War

"Some of the Costs of War Project’s main findings include:

At least 800,000 people have died due to direct war violence, including armed forces on all sides of the conflicts, contractors, civilians, journalists, and humanitarian workers.

It is likely that many times more have died indirectly in these wars, due to malnutrition, damaged infrastructure, and environmental degradation.

Over 335,000 civilians have been killed in direct violence by all parties to these conflicts.

Over 7,000 US soldiers have died in the wars.

We do not know the full extent of how many US service members returning from these wars became injured or ill while deployed.

Many deaths and injuries among US contractors have not been reported as required by law, but it is likely that approximately 8,000 have been killed.

21 million Afghan, Iraqi, Pakistani, and Syrian people are living as war refugees and internally displaced persons, in grossly inadequate conditions.

The US government is conducting counterterror activities in 80 countries, vastly expanding this war across the globe.

The wars have been accompanied by erosions in civil liberties and human rights at home and abroad.

The human and economic costs of these wars will continue for decades with some costs, such as the financial costs of US veterans’ care, not peaking until mid-century.

US government funding of reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan has totaled over $199 billion. Most of those funds have gone towards arming security forces in both countries. Much of the money allocated to humanitarian relief and rebuilding civil society has been lost to fraud, waste, and abuse.

The cost of the Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria wars totals about $6.4 trillion. This does not include future interest costs on borrowing for the wars, which will add an estimated $8 trillion in the next 40 years.

The ripple effects on the US economy have also been significant, including job loss and interest rate increases.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan continue to rank extremely low in global studies of political freedom.

Women in Iraq and Afghanistan are excluded from political power and experience high rates of unemployment and war widowhood.

Compelling alternatives to war were scarcely considered in the aftermath of 9/11 or in the discussion about war against Iraq. Some of those alternatives are still available to the US.
 
AGAIN, NOTHING but your stinking brain-laundered republicrat opinion:...here's more on your stinking republicrat 'war of terror': Summary of Findings | Costs of War

"Some of the Costs of War Project’s main findings include:

At least 800,000 people have died due to direct war violence, including armed forces on all sides of the conflicts, contractors, civilians, journalists, and humanitarian workers.

It is likely that many times more have died indirectly in these wars, due to malnutrition, damaged infrastructure, and environmental degradation.

Over 335,000 civilians have been killed in direct violence by all parties to these conflicts.

Over 7,000 US soldiers have died in the wars.

We do not know the full extent of how many US service members returning from these wars became injured or ill while deployed.

Many deaths and injuries among US contractors have not been reported as required by law, but it is likely that approximately 8,000 have been killed.

21 million Afghan, Iraqi, Pakistani, and Syrian people are living as war refugees and internally displaced persons, in grossly inadequate conditions.

The US government is conducting counterterror activities in 80 countries, vastly expanding this war across the globe.

The wars have been accompanied by erosions in civil liberties and human rights at home and abroad.

The human and economic costs of these wars will continue for decades with some costs, such as the financial costs of US veterans’ care, not peaking until mid-century.

US government funding of reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan has totaled over $199 billion. Most of those funds have gone towards arming security forces in both countries. Much of the money allocated to humanitarian relief and rebuilding civil society has been lost to fraud, waste, and abuse.

The cost of the Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria wars totals about $6.4 trillion. This does not include future interest costs on borrowing for the wars, which will add an estimated $8 trillion in the next 40 years.

The ripple effects on the US economy have also been significant, including job loss and interest rate increases.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan continue to rank extremely low in global studies of political freedom.

Women in Iraq and Afghanistan are excluded from political power and experience high rates of unemployment and war widowhood.

Compelling alternatives to war were scarcely considered in the aftermath of 9/11 or in the discussion about war against Iraq. Some of those alternatives are still available to the US.

“Compelling alternatives” like what, exactly? The Taliban refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden, who was responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.

I see you dodged the question. When are you going to Syria to join your heroes?
 
AGAIN, NOTHING but your stinking brain-laundered republicrat opinion:...here's more on your stinking republicrat 'war of terror': Summary of Findings | Costs of War

"Some of the Costs of War Project’s main findings include:

At least 800,000 people have died due to direct war violence, including armed forces on all sides of the conflicts, contractors, civilians, journalists, and humanitarian workers.

It is likely that many times more have died indirectly in these wars, due to malnutrition, damaged infrastructure, and environmental degradation.

Over 335,000 civilians have been killed in direct violence by all parties to these conflicts.

Over 7,000 US soldiers have died in the wars.

We do not know the full extent of how many US service members returning from these wars became injured or ill while deployed.

Many deaths and injuries among US contractors have not been reported as required by law, but it is likely that approximately 8,000 have been killed.

21 million Afghan, Iraqi, Pakistani, and Syrian people are living as war refugees and internally displaced persons, in grossly inadequate conditions.

The US government is conducting counterterror activities in 80 countries, vastly expanding this war across the globe.

The wars have been accompanied by erosions in civil liberties and human rights at home and abroad.

The human and economic costs of these wars will continue for decades with some costs, such as the financial costs of US veterans’ care, not peaking until mid-century.

US government funding of reconstruction efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan has totaled over $199 billion. Most of those funds have gone towards arming security forces in both countries. Much of the money allocated to humanitarian relief and rebuilding civil society has been lost to fraud, waste, and abuse.

The cost of the Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Syria wars totals about $6.4 trillion. This does not include future interest costs on borrowing for the wars, which will add an estimated $8 trillion in the next 40 years.

The ripple effects on the US economy have also been significant, including job loss and interest rate increases.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan continue to rank extremely low in global studies of political freedom.

Women in Iraq and Afghanistan are excluded from political power and experience high rates of unemployment and war widowhood.

Compelling alternatives to war were scarcely considered in the aftermath of 9/11 or in the discussion about war against Iraq. Some of those alternatives are still available to the US.

“Compelling alternatives” like what, exactly? The Taliban refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden, who was responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.

I see you dodged the question. When are you going to Syria to join your heroes?
 
“Compelling alternatives” like what, exactly? The Taliban refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden, who was responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.

I see you dodged the question. When are you going to Syria to join your heroes?

Oh, Afghanistan has one terrorist criminal? Better start a two decade war then! Nevermind members of the Saudi royal family directly funded and aided the attackers and most of them were Saudis.

There were plenty of alternatives.
 
Oh, Afghanistan has one terrorist criminal? Better start a two decade war then! Nevermind members of the Saudi royal family directly funded and aided the attackers and most of them were Saudis.

There were plenty of alternatives.

...no sense arguing with the brain-laundered tigger... his favorite stinking republicrats supported the war so it must be good cause 'murca...USA USA USA ... :cuckoo:
 
Oh, Afghanistan has one terrorist criminal? Better start a two decade war then! Nevermind members of the Saudi royal family directly funded and aided the attackers and most of them were Saudis.

There were plenty of alternatives.

.....That would have apprehended Osama Bin Ladin, rather than allowing him to slip away into the night while the Taliban whistled innocently and pretending nothing was amiss? Like what, exactly?

Nationality in the age of international terrorism is meaningless. By your logic Israel should have attacked Germany since half the Entebbe hijackers were Germans.

Not that would have actually achieved the goal.
 
...no sense arguing with the brain-laundered tigger... his favorite stinking republicrats supported the war so it must be good cause 'murca...USA USA USA ... :cuckoo:

Coming from someone who claims ISIS is “brave” and their victims are all “traitors” your posts are rather “cuckoo”.

But that goes without saying.
 
.....That would have apprehended Osama Bin Ladin, rather than allowing him to slip away into the night while the Taliban whistled innocently and pretending nothing was amiss? Like what, exactly?

Nationality in the age of international terrorism is meaningless. By your logic Israel should have attacked Germany since half the Entebbe hijackers were Germans.

Not that would have actually achieved the goal.

Our invasion of Afghanistan didn't help us capture bin laden. It took almost a decade later where we sent a seal team into a country we weren't even at war with to whack him. Jesus christ dude I thought you were a history buff, but claiming we had to invade Afghanistan in 2001 to kill bin Laden is certified stupid.
 
Our invasion of Afghanistan didn't help us capture bin laden. It took almost a decade later where we sent a seal team into a country we weren't even at war with to whack him. Jesus christ dude I thought you were a history buff, but claiming we had to invade Afghanistan in 2001 to kill bin Laden is certified stupid.

...we are dealing with one twisted republicrat sister here!.. :cuckoo: ...this loud, self-absorbed, republicrat-level dullard believes [more] US intervention in venezuela is justified because 'maduro is starving his people' ... triggered tigger still believes saddam had weapons of mass destruction, that bin laden masterminded 9-11 from a cave in afghanistan, that it was just an honest mistake that the cameras went down just before epstein's death, etc. ad nauseam... he's the bankster$ delight!.. ;)

The Modern US War Machine Kills More Like A Python Than A Tiger | by Caitlin Johnstone | Aug, 2020 | Medium

"...This is how the US-centralized empire prefers to kill now. Not like a tiger, pouncing on its prey with old-school ground invasions and ripping out the jugular, but more like a python: slow, patient strangulation and suffocation.

That’s what you’re seeing with the murderous starvation sanctions that have been placed on Iran and Venezuela. With Yemen, where in addition to deadly blockades the Saudis have been deliberate targeting farms, fishing boats, marketplaces, food storage sites and cholera treatment centers with US-assisted airstrikes. With North Korea, where boats full of dead people have been washing up on Japan’s shores because fishermen get stuck out at sea trying to catch food since they can’t afford enough fuel to get back to shore, which former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson attributed to US sanctions. With Gaza, where people are being deprived of an adequate amount of nutrients due to an Israeli blockade designed to “put the Palestinians on a diet”.

It’s a slow, suffocating strategy which only works if you’re the side in power, the side with all the resources and all the time in the world, the side which knows it can just relax and wait for the other side to starve to death. Not with the “shock and awe” invasions of the Bush era, but with sanctions, blockades, coups, psyops, CIA-backed uprisings and the arming of opposition forces like David Axe’s “rebel” friends..."
 
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Our invasion of Afghanistan didn't help us capture bin laden. It took almost a decade later where we sent a seal team into a country we weren't even at war with to whack him. Jesus christ dude I thought you were a history buff, but claiming we had to invade Afghanistan in 2001 to kill bin Laden is certified stupid.

He only left Afghanistan after his hiding places in that country were destroyed by the invasion and the overthrow of the Taliban. This is really basic history bud.

Seeing as you dodged the question it’s pretty clear you don’t actually have an alternative and the “compelling” solutions....don’t exist.
 
...we are dealing with one twisted republicrat sister here!.. :cuckoo: ...this loud, self-absorbed, republicrat-level dullard believes [more] US intervention in venezuela is justified because 'maduro is starving his people' ... triggered tigger still believes saddam had weapons of mass destruction, that bin laden masterminded 9-11 from a cave in afghanistan, that it was just an honest mistake that the cameras went down just before epstein's death, etc. ad nauseam... he's the bankster$ delight!.. ;)

The Modern US War Machine Kills More Like A Python Than A Tiger | by Caitlin Johnstone | Aug, 2020 | Medium

"...This is how the US-centralized empire prefers to kill now. Not like a tiger, pouncing on its prey with old-school ground invasions and ripping out the jugular, but more like a python: slow, patient strangulation and suffocation.

That’s what you’re seeing with the murderous starvation sanctions that have been placed on Iran and Venezuela. With Yemen, where in addition to deadly blockades the Saudis have been deliberate targeting farms, fishing boats, marketplaces, food storage sites and cholera treatment centers with US-assisted airstrikes. With North Korea, where boats full of dead people have been washing up on Japan’s shores because fishermen get stuck out at sea trying to catch food since they can’t afford enough fuel to get back to shore, which former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson attributed to US sanctions. With Gaza, where people are being deprived of an adequate amount of nutrients due to an Israeli blockade designed to “put the Palestinians on a diet”.

It’s a slow, suffocating strategy which only works if you’re the side in power, the side with all the resources and all the time in the world, the side which knows it can just relax and wait for the other side to starve to death. Not with the “shock and awe” invasions of the Bush era, but with sanctions, blockades, coups, psyops, CIA-backed uprisings and the arming of opposition forces like David Axe’s “rebel” friends..."

Oh look, even more incoherent and idiotic babble from the local jihadi fanboy. Yawn. Go back to crying about how “brave” you think ISIS is.

Your “source” is garbage by the way. Crying about “murderous sanctions” is especially funny, given that the entire point of sanctions is to punish the leadership of regimes like Iran and North Korea which have repeatedly abused their own people(oh, and engaged in acts of war against the US and their allies) without actually going to war.
 
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Your “source” is garbage by the way.

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...this from a republicrat-level parrot whose only known 'sources' are your anal sphincter and your hamburger hole!... pray tell, what are YOUR stinking 'sources'?... :cuckoo:
 
Seeing as you dodged the question it’s pretty clear you don’t actually have an alternative and the “compelling” solutions....don’t exist.

:roll:

...a better alternative would be to stop occupying their land, dumbass... dumbass, please THINK how you'd feel if immoral, murderous foreign invaders were occupying 'murca..

[...this republicrat is about as sharp as a bowling ball!] :cuckoo:

Al-Qaeda Has Been at War With the United States for Twenty Years - The Atlantic

"Exactly two decades ago, on August 23, 1996, Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States. At the time, few people paid much attention. But it was the start of what’s now the Twenty Years’ War between the United States and al-Qaeda—a conflict that both sides have ultimately lost.

During the 1980s, bin Laden fought alongside the mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. After the Soviets withdrew, he went home to Saudi Arabia, then moved to Sudan before being expelled and returning to Afghanistan in 1996 to live under Taliban protection. Within a few months of his arrival, he issued a 30-page fatwa, “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” which was published in a London-based newspaper, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, and faxed to supporters around the world. It was bin Laden’s first public call for a global jihad against the United States. In a rambling text, bin Laden opined on Islamic history, celebrated recent attacks against U.S. forces in Lebanon and Somalia, and recounted a multitude of grievances against the United States, Israel, and their allies. “The people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Jewish-Christian alliance and their collaborators,” he wrote.

His central lament was the presence of U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, or “the occupation of the land of the two holiest sites.” Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden had offered to defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. But the Saudi royals decided that the U.S. military would be a better bet. Six years later, American soldiers were still in Saudi Arabia in a bid to contain Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden saw the United States as the power behind the throne: the “far enemy” that propped up apostate regimes in the Middle East. Muslims, he wrote, should abandon their petty local fights and unite to drive the Americans out of Saudi Arabia: “destroying, fighting and killing the enemy until, by the Grace of Allah, it is completely defeated.”
 
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...this from a republicrat-level parrot whose only known 'sources' are your anal sphincter and your hamburger hole!... pray tell, what are YOUR stinking 'sources'?... :cuckoo:

You don’t need a source to point out idiocy such as the “bravery of ISIS”, “Maduro, North Korea and Iran are victims” and “the US having allies is imperialism” is......idiocy.

After all, pointing out the incredible stupidity of the CTer advancing such positions is just stating facts.

Deal with it.
 
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...a better alternative would be to stop occupying their land, dumbass... dumbass, please THINK how you'd feel if immoral, murderous foreign invaders were occupying 'murca..

[...this republicrat is about as sharp as a bowling ball!] :cuckoo:

Al-Qaeda Has Been at War With the United States for Twenty Years - The Atlantic

"Exactly two decades ago, on August 23, 1996, Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States. At the time, few people paid much attention. But it was the start of what’s now the Twenty Years’ War between the United States and al-Qaeda—a conflict that both sides have ultimately lost.

During the 1980s, bin Laden fought alongside the mujahideen in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. After the Soviets withdrew, he went home to Saudi Arabia, then moved to Sudan before being expelled and returning to Afghanistan in 1996 to live under Taliban protection. Within a few months of his arrival, he issued a 30-page fatwa, “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” which was published in a London-based newspaper, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, and faxed to supporters around the world. It was bin Laden’s first public call for a global jihad against the United States. In a rambling text, bin Laden opined on Islamic history, celebrated recent attacks against U.S. forces in Lebanon and Somalia, and recounted a multitude of grievances against the United States, Israel, and their allies. “The people of Islam had suffered from aggression, iniquity and injustice imposed on them by the Jewish-Christian alliance and their collaborators,” he wrote.

His central lament was the presence of U.S. forces in Saudi Arabia, or “the occupation of the land of the two holiest sites.” Following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, bin Laden had offered to defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. But the Saudi royals decided that the U.S. military would be a better bet. Six years later, American soldiers were still in Saudi Arabia in a bid to contain Saddam Hussein. Bin Laden saw the United States as the power behind the throne: the “far enemy” that propped up apostate regimes in the Middle East. Muslims, he wrote, should abandon their petty local fights and unite to drive the Americans out of Saudi Arabia: “destroying, fighting and killing the enemy until, by the Grace of Allah, it is completely defeated.”

“Their” land? So in other words, we should have ignored the pleas of the actual Saudi government and people to defend them from Saddam Hussein, who had invaded all of his neighbors(and did, in fact, launch an incursion into Saudi Arabia) to “appease” a nut job who thought we were “occupying the Holy Cities”(you CTers probably haven’t looked at a map recently, so I’ll give you a hint......the US troops were on the opposite side of the country from Mecca and Medina.

Not to mention, of course, that none of that has anything to do with the objective of apprehending Bin Laden and therefore your “solution” is irrelevant.

I see the desperate apologism for ISIS and Al Qaeda continues. When are you going to Syria?
 
“Their” land? So in other words, we should have ignored the pleas of the actual Saudi government and people to defend them from Saddam Hussein, who had invaded all of his neighbors(and did, in fact, launch an incursion into Saudi Arabia)

...it's certainly not YOUR land, republicrat!... :cuckoo: ...as to ignoring their pleas, that's an individual choice...YOU want to give YOUR life, money, etc., to bring your stinking brand of 'republicrat :roll: justice' to the planet?...GO FOR IT!.. don't let the door hit your soft, fat arse!...just keep your republicrats' dinkskinners out of the treasury, tigger... [when are YOU going to syria, you meddlesome, imperialist, anal sphincter?]

...btw, are you ignorant that your stinking republicrats aided and abetted saddam in the murderous iran/iraq war? ...you forget this stinking meddling, murder, etc., and much much more, ostrich boy... ;)

...and thanks for the readership!...
 
...it's certainly not YOUR land, republicrat!... :cuckoo: ...as to ignoring their pleas, that's an individual choice...YOU want to give YOUR life, money, etc., to bring your stinking brand of 'republicrat :roll: justice' to the planet?...GO FOR IT!.. don't let the door hit your soft, fat arse!...just keep your republicrats' dinkskinners out of the treasury, tigger...

...btw, are you ignorant that your stinking republicrats aided and abetted saddam in the murderous iran/iraq war? ...you forget this stinking meddling, murder, etc., and much much more, ostrich boy... ;)

...and thanks for the readership!...

Again, we were asked to provide protection by the actual Saudi government.....and people. Whose land it certainly is. Why, exactly, should we have ignored them simply to appease a single nutjob and his admirers?

Your incoherent babbling, as usual, does not change the facts.

BTW, you are forgetting that the Iran Iraq War was long over when Saudi Arabia was attacked by Saddam, and therefore is totally irrelevant. We helped the Soviets in World War Two as well. Quite massively, in fact.

Sounds like you CTers need to be reminded that briefly supporting a regime is not “murder”.

In short, you have no solutions, just knee jerk anti Americanism. As I figured.
 
He only left Afghanistan after his hiding places in that country were destroyed by the invasion and the overthrow of the Taliban. This is really basic history bud.

Seeing as you dodged the question it’s pretty clear you don’t actually have an alternative and the “compelling” solutions....don’t exist.

I already answered the alternative. Use the CIA to find him and send in a seal team to whack him, as we did 10 years after the war started. Invading Afghanistan, especially with tens of thousands of troops, was not a requirement for that and you're doing gymnastics to defend it.

Seriously though bud, I've heard some catastrophically stupid reasons to try to justify invading Afghanistan, but claiming it was to kill one man, which we couldn't even do for nearly 10 years after we invaded just might be the dumbest.
 
I already answered the alternative. Use the CIA to find him and send in a seal team to whack him, as we did 10 years after the war started. Invading Afghanistan, especially with tens of thousands of troops, was not a requirement for that and you're doing gymnastics to defend it.

Seriously though bud, I've heard some catastrophically stupid reasons to try to justify invading Afghanistan, but claiming it was to kill one man, which we couldn't even do for nearly 10 years after we invaded just might be the dumbest.

Lol yeah, send the SEALS deep into enemy country, in an area controlled by an enemy force which at that time had not been decimated by American air power and therefore still possessed plenty of heavy weapons up to and including tanks. What happens when the SEALs have to shoot their way back out? Even after assaulting the compound(and that’s not even getting into the fact that Al Qaeda’s forces were closely integrated with the Taliban “regular army”— for example

055 Brigade - Wikipedia)

They still have to get back out. Unless you are going to just leave them stranded, use of other assets, such as air power, are almost certainly going to be needed.....and that’s still an act of war.

Seriously, stop watching so many Steven Seagal movies and thinking that has anything to do with real life.
 
Lol yeah, send the SEALS deep into enemy country, in an area controlled by an enemy force which at that time had not been decimated by American air power and therefore still possessed plenty of heavy weapons up to and including tanks. What happens when the SEALs have to shoot their way back out? Even after assaulting the compound(and that’s not even getting into the fact that Al Qaeda’s forces were closely integrated with the Taliban “regular army”— for example

055 Brigade - Wikipedia)

They still have to get back out. Unless you are going to just leave them stranded, use of other assets, such as air power, are almost certainly going to be needed.....and that’s still an act of war.

Seriously, stop watching so many Steven Seagal movies and thinking that has anything to do with real life.

Pakistan is not an occupied country and we didn't have their permission to go in and whack him. The war wasn't started on the pretense of getting one man and your assertion that we needed to fight and die for 10 years to get him is ridiculous and spits on the graves of our fallen soldiers.

It was a waste of money and human capital and you were provided with alternatives, you just didn't like it. Somehow we manage to whack unsavory characters all over the world without launching a multi-decade war.
 
Pakistan is not an occupied country and we didn't have their permission to go in and whack him. The war wasn't started on the pretense of getting one man and your assertion that we needed to fight and die for 10 years to get him is ridiculous and spits on the graves of our fallen soldiers.

It was a waste of money and human capital and you were provided with alternatives, you just didn't like it. Somehow we manage to whack unsavory characters all over the world without launching a multi-decade war.

Pakistan’s military was and is not completely and closely tied to Al Qaeda(not even the ISI is completely on the jihadis’ side) and was not going to try and slaughter the SEAL TEAM if they had encountered them on the ground. The Taliban military forces absolutely would have engaged the hypothetical raiding force with everything they had. Mortars, heavy machine guns, artillery......again, unless your are willing to write the SEAL Team off you are going to need to use other assets to get them back out safely, and that means taking actions which amount to acts of war.

You desperately grasping at straws to justify your opposition does not change the facts, and sending men up against tanks and artillery, as your plan would have, without support is pretty ****ing ridiculous.

“Alternatives“ which don’t work are not alternatives. We whack unsavory characters....in countries where the governments either are supportive of our efforts or at least not actively opposed. There’s a big difference between that and the Taliban’s Afghanistan. We also have the advantage of using drones, which if lost cost nothing except money.....an option which simply didn’t exist in 2001.
 
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