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The Checks and Balances do not Work

I have few complaints about local politics.

The 17th along with the 16th amendments, IMO based upon my schooling, fundamentally changed how our Federal government operates.

I can only guess what you mean by the "charter system" so I'm left unable to respond rationally to the above
 
Checks and balances went out the window a long time ago. The government was never intended to be a balance between the President, Congress, and SC, it was supposed to be a balance between the Federal Government, the States, and the people. The passage of the 17th Amendment basically robbed the States of their seat at the table in Washington, and the failure of Congress to expand the representatives along with the growing population robbed the people of having any real input into the system.
The Federal Reserve is not a legislative body, it is a private corporation who answers only to its member banks. The Congress was never given the power under the Constitution to delegate their responsibility to coin money to a private corporation or anyone else.
Today our government can best be described as a fascist state where mega corporations and the elite have taken control of government via bribes and corruption. Laws are written by corporate attorneys who then give the legislation to which ever members of Congress they are paying to sponsor it. They then bribe whatever members of Congress they need to get the legislation passed. The entire system is a farce.
 
Fortunately the 34 states don't have to apply to Congress.
 
Fortunately the 34 states don't have to apply to Congress.
Actually, they do. Either amendments are proposed by a two-thirds majority of Congress, or when two-thirds of the State legislatures apply to Congress to call a convention for the purpose of proposing amendments. See Article V of the US Constitution {emphasis added}.

 
What checks and balances are you referring to? Those which existed prior to 1913?
 
The 2cnd ammendment was the last check
 
This would be a good start, but including repeal of the 17th amendment would make it a great start, in reducing control of the Federal government by the political parties and returning it to the people and the States.
 
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Great, another Gold Standard nutter who doesn't understand.
Today our government can best be described as a fascist state where mega corporations and the elite have taken control of government via bribes and corruption.
That's because you refused to take control and do your duty as a citizen.
That's how your healthcare system was created.

Isn't it wonderful?
This would be a good start, but including repeal of the 17th amendment would make it a great start, in reducing control of the Federal government by the political parties and returning it to the people and the States.
No, it wouldn't.

This is all you need:

Proposed 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Section 1


No person or entity shall contribute money, or goods, services, tangible property or intangible property in lieu of money, to a political candidate, or to the political campaign of a ballot initiative, who is not a natural born or naturalized United States citizen, and who is not legally domiciled and eligible to vote within the geographical area that an elected official serves or represents, or in which a ballot initiative may be operative.


What is the difference between alleged Russian meddling in US elections and Californians meddling in the elections of Tennessee?

No difference whatsoever. The States are sovereign.

Section 2


Political parties shall not transfer or distribute campaign funds or monies raised, donated or accumulated within a State to another State or to the several States.

Section 3

Any person who knowingly or willfully accepts money, goods, services, tangible property or intangible property for purposes of circumventing Section 1 of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 1 year and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative.

Any natural person who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative.

Any non-natural person or entity who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be placed in receivership for a term of not less than 7 years, and not more than 10 years, and fined not less than 500 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative. The United States Bankruptcy Court having jurisdiction over the non-natural person or entity shall appoint a trustee to act as receiver.

Section 4

The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 5

This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date its submission.
 
Great, another Gold Standard nutter who doesn't understand.

That's because you refused to take control and do your duty as a citizen.

That's how your healthcare system was created.

Isn't it wonderful?

No, it wouldn't.

This is all you need:

Proposed 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

Section 1


No person or entity shall contribute money, or goods, services, tangible property or intangible property in lieu of money, to a political candidate, or to the political campaign of a ballot initiative, who is not a natural born or naturalized United States citizen, and who is not legally domiciled and eligible to vote within the geographical area that an elected official serves or represents, or in which a ballot initiative may be operative.

What is the difference between alleged Russian meddling in US elections and Californians meddling in the elections of Tennessee?

No difference whatsoever. The States are sovereign.

Section 2


Political parties shall not transfer or distribute campaign funds or monies raised, donated or accumulated within a State to another State or to the several States.

Section 3


Any person who knowingly or willfully accepts money, goods, services, tangible property or intangible property for purposes of circumventing Section 1 of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 1 year and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative.

Any natural person who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years and fined not less than 300 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative.

Any non-natural person or entity who knowingly or willfully commits a violation of this Amendment shall be placed in receivership for a term of not less than 7 years, and not more than 10 years, and fined not less than 500 percent of the amount of money, or goods, services, tangible property, or intangible property, contributed to the political candidate or the political campaign of a ballot initiative. The United States Bankruptcy Court having jurisdiction over the non-natural person or entity shall appoint a trustee to act as receiver.

Section 4


The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 5


This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date its submission.
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While I agree with your post, I do believe repealing both the 16th and 17th amendments is a necessary start if the people and the States ever want to exercise control of the Federal government as was intended by our founders.
 
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