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The Checks and Balances are more of an Allusion than Definite Directives
5th grade? :2razz:Thanks guys that is what I have been looking for - where did you find that stuff?
Can anyone provide a chart that maps the "checks and balances?"
We all know the appointment of federal judges and prosecutors is somehow checked and balanced by the President recommending appointments and then the opposition political partisans in the Senate use the platform to berate the nominees - it is a dishonest theater we have to endure when the nominee is for a Supreme Court position.
So, what are all of the checks and how do they "work" to form a valid "balance?"
Can anyone provide a chart that maps the "checks and balances?"
We all know the appointment of federal judges and prosecutors is somehow checked and balanced by the President recommending appointments and then the opposition political partisans in the Senate use the platform to berate the nominees - it is a dishonest theater we have to endure when the nominee is for a Supreme Court position.
So, what are all of the checks and how do they "work" to form a valid "balance?"
Can anyone provide a chart that maps the "checks and balances?"
We all know the appointment of federal judges and prosecutors is somehow checked and balanced by the President recommending appointments and then the opposition political partisans in the Senate use the platform to berate the nominees - it is a dishonest theater we have to endure when the nominee is for a Supreme Court position.
So, what are all of the checks and how do they "work" to form a valid "balance?"
Priceless!
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Maybe we're being a little snarky to this OP, but claiming that the very foundation of our system of democratic government is allusion was a bit too tempting to hold back. This forum can sometimes be a target-rich environment.
What are the checks and balances for federal agencies like the EPA, as an example...
...The diagram for checks and balances, may need to be revised to include the bureaucratic state. The Collusion delusion shows what can happens when there are no checks and balances for the bureaucratic state.
Moderation is out, the president is now free to appoint with guaranteed confirmation the most extreme individuals as he wants.
Hopefully, I'll take some time and review your catalogue of opinions.My response was not snarkiness. I was expressing my contempt for the question and the indolence that gave rise not only to it, but also for the intellectual indolence shown by the combination of it and the original inquiry in the OP.
The request for source was a response to your snarkiness. You may have noticed that there are two charts offered - they are different. As you may have noticed there are, at least, two prevailing interpretations of the Constitution, as institutionalized by the descriptors for Supreme Court Justice nominees - conservative or liberal. Obviously, there is no agreement as to what the Constitution directs the government to do.If you look at my reply in post 4, which is the post that immediately precedes the "where did you find that stuff" inquiry, you'll see that I provided three reference links. You'll see too that I concluded the post saying, "I feel ask though we've been asked to perform a seventh grader's homework assignment or some such...."
The request for sourcing effectively convinced me that, with post 4, I'd just done someone's homework assignment for them...And even if I hadn't, Constitutional checks and balances is hardly an arcane topic; thus scholastic assignment or not, there's hardly cause for someone to ask anyone about their nature.
I'm no fool - you are. You believe in a very inadequate government model. A model that was designed in a very different era of technology and sophistication.I have little forbearance for fools and knaves, and I have no remorse about not doing so.
There is no god. If there were a god it would have revealed itself to me. There has never been anything more important in the history of Mankind than what I am delivering - scientific knowledge classification system.The Lord helps they who help themselves.
-- Every mentor I've ever had
What is a more deliberate body?Two things stand out about our current government. First, the Senate is an abysmal place that is far from being the most deliberative body in the world.
The Seventeenth Amendment set-up the new game theory for the Senate, and eliminated a very significant "check and balance."It is a joke largely because many of our Senators are empty suits whose only concern is re-election and partisanship. They are a disgrace to the very notion of a Senate as envisioned by Hamilton and Madison.
I agree. Although, we are indoctrinated to believe that the courts are separate, it is obvious to the critically thinking observer, that if the hierarchy of the offices are determined by the other branches, then it is not a separate entity.Secondly, the courts are now so partisan that they too are a joke. I have no confidence in them at all given the way they vote and are appointed.
Exactly. Corruption is not symptomatic of nefarious persons manipulating an altruistic just governing system; but rather, it is symptomatic of nefarious persons manipulating a perpetually faulty system. Perpetual corruption is ultimately symptomatic of an inadequate separation and coordination of the government responsibilities.All systems rely upon the good faith and integrity of those who have the responsibility.
I think they did that to ensure that the public focus is on the President, and allows them to berate the Executive in their campaigns, as they do.The POTUS has accumulated far too much power largely because the Congress has given it to the executive.
It should be odd that we are able to describe judges as being "extreme," and we don't recognize that that is a problem with the checks and balances.
Why so many books - why don't the government charters explain the checks and balances with in the context of the charter? Certainly, if we were to initiate a convention, in modern America, to rewrite the constitution, we would not be limited to a couple of broadsheets of text - would we???There are a lot of books out there that explain the history and philosophy of our founders, most of which explain the concept of checks and balances.
You think I haven't read the Constitution??? You are probably someone who claims that such and such congress member has not read the Constitution, either - aren't you???Also, I recommend that you read the constitution, then read the Federalist Papers, where the founders explain it themselves.
Because the government does not mandate it, because some of the politicians know the government organization is a mess, and that it needs to be reordered.I don't know why they don't teach this stuff in schools anymore.
The foundation of the government was in a different era of sophistication and technology - and the system is inadequate for the expectations of a more sophisticated society that expects a better formulated system that graduates social engineering techniques.Maybe we're being a little snarky to this OP, but claiming that the very foundation of our system of democratic government is allusion was a bit too tempting to hold back. This forum can sometimes be a target-rich environment.
Two things stand out about our current government. First, the Senate is an abysmal place that is far from being the most deliberative body in the world. It is a joke largely because many of our Senators are empty suits whose only concern is re-election and partisanship. They are a disgrace to the very notion of a Senate as envisioned by Hamilton and Madison. Secondly, the courts are now so partisan that they too are a joke. I have no confidence in them at all given the way they vote and are appointed. All systems rely upon the good faith and integrity of those who have the responsibility. The abdication of the Congress to the Executive in regards to war is the most egregious example of how badly we have corrupted the original intent. The POTUS has accumulated far too much power largely because the Congress has given it to the executive. We are in this mess because of money, partisanship, empathy by the voters and the lack of faith in our institutions created by one giant pissant, Ronald Reagan who made it a joke to say the government is the problem. A whole sector of our population thinks the government is a joke and can do nothing well. So they prove it to themselves by electing morons.
This is the result of political factions, George Washington warn the people of factions being out for their own interest this creates a despotic government.
5th grade? :2razz:
Why so many books - why don't the government charters explain the checks and balances with in the context of the charter? Certainly, if we were to initiate a convention, in modern America, to rewrite the constitution, we would not be limited to a couple of broadsheets of text - would we???
I mean the disclaimers, and license agreements, of our cell phones is longer than the Constitution and in finer print - you can fit it all in your wallet.
You think I haven't read the Constitution??? You are probably someone who claims that such and such congress member has not read the Constitution, either - aren't you???
I'll bet your wife, and children, and your siblings, have a different interpretation of the Constitution than you do; and because of the differing interpretations and your inability to accept that that is because it is ambiguous, the best you can conclude is that people have not read it.
The Federalist Papers, are you serious, you understand the Federalist Papers?!?!?! Ask the people you know, and care about, if they understand the Federalist Papers. Do you think the ghetto dwellers understand the Federalist Papers - the almighty and brilliant Constitution?!?!?!
Because the government does not mandate it, because some of the politicians know the government organization is a mess, and that it needs to be reordered.
The foundation of the government was in a different era of sophistication and technology - and the system is inadequate for the expectations of a more sophisticated society that expects a better formulated system that graduates social engineering techniques.
I don't care if you are being snarky to me, ultimately, I win, because I figured out the problem and solution. We need a new government model (format) that correctly subdivides the three parts and aligns the responsibilities of the courts, legislatures, and security divisions.
I am years ahead of you, and you have no idea how privileged you are to encounter me - I will be the name associated with the successor to the almighty United States Constitution.
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