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I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.
I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.
Verthaine: "That may be true,but there seems to be a number of peoples who's deeds and words influenced her to the point of deciding to take her own life. As a parent my sympathy and condolences goes out to her family."
As a parent my sympathy and condolences go out to her family, and her friends, and her teachers, and everyone who might blame themselves. My nephew is 19 now but when he was nine his mother ran off with a boyfriend abandoning a 1-year old, a 4-year old, and a 9-year old. Six months later the father committed suicide. A friend of mine adopted the boys and they became my nephews. The 9-year old told me, when he was ten, that it was his fault his father committed suicide.
We talked for an hour and I stressed that only one person was responsible and that was his father. And, he was drunk when he killed himself.
I've investigated many suicides and most were incredibly stupid. People looking for sympathy, looking for attention, looking to hurt someone. Perhaps three percent of the ones I investigated were for good cause. I have far more sympathy for the survivors than I do for the selfish people who commit suicide.
And the saddest part? This girl thinks her suicide will matter. Lives will be shattered. People will never recover. Sorry, but it's not true. There is some short-term suffering but life goes on. A woman who worked for me was threatening suicide, weekly, and I asked her one day if she'd considered the effect her suicide would have on others. "Oh, I realize it would be terrible but I simply can't cope." I laughed and said, "Only terrible for you. The others at work will be really upset until we get the list of applicants and hire someone new. In six months, is someone mentions your name people will say, "Who?" You mom and dad will be very upset for a couple of months but their lives will go on, too. They'll think of you on your birthday, maybe, and at Christmas but other than that, not so much. The only person really effected will be you."
I knew a man who had an employee who was a drunk. He skipped work Monday and Friday. Other employees were asking why Bob got four-day weekends and they didn't. When Bob was told no more four-day weekends he flew into a rage, said he'd kill himself, and it would be the boss's fault. The idiot boss believed him and quit his job. Suicides are often an irrational form of bullying.
I have far more sympathy for the hundreds of murder victims in Chicago that no one outside their families care about. I have far more sympathy for children growing up unable to read or write in a wealthy country spending billions on education. I am sorry this young woman killed herself. She shouldn't have. But, her family and friends have my sympathy. Not her.
Love the hateful and incredibly stupid responses. Amazingly, liberals hate bullies unless they're their bullies. How's Dan Savage doing, guys, and VP Joe Biden?
I spent a lot of years investigating suicides and a surprising factor is how often and who the people committing suicide blame. Their wives, their husbands, their parents, their friends, their enemies, their children have all been blamed. I remember one where the poor, poor man called his wife and children to come watch and see "what they made him do." He could have just left a videotape.
They made me commit suicide". No, they didn't. I talked with a man who murdered his mother, grandmother, and a woman who was visiting. They made him do it, too. Wasn't his responsibility. Oops, that nasty "R" word.
So, go ahead and enjoy your hatred. I understand it's what sustains you. Find someone to blame. That helps sustain you to. See, I am capable of pity. I'm just not an enabler.
If you're talking about adults, that's fine.
This was a child.
The adults failed her in this case. That means her school/s, that means her parents, and that means Facebook.
Ahhh, a well-reasoned response and still coming to the wrong conclusion. This little girl wasn't even fully cooked. To blame her for her parents' failure is short-sighted.
I'm sorry, but you're as cold-hearted a poster as I've ever seen on this board. I'm assuming you didn't take the 8:55 it took to watch the video.
This young girl was failed by her parents. Big-BIG-time. She's dead. She shouldn't be. She should be having fun . . . going to parties . . . having sleepovers with her girlfriends. Fixing her nails. Doing her hair. Instead she's dead.
Have a nice day.
Edit: I just posted this on my Facebook site. Maybe it'll save a life. PARENTS!!! Wake the **** up!!!
Verthaine: "That may be true,but there seems to be a number of peoples who's deeds and words influenced her to the point of deciding to take her own life. As a parent my sympathy and condolences goes out to her family."
As a parent my sympathy and condolences go out to her family, and her friends, and her teachers, and everyone who might blame themselves. My nephew is 19 now but when he was nine his mother ran off with a boyfriend abandoning a 1-year old, a 4-year old, and a 9-year old. Six months later the father committed suicide. A friend of mine adopted the boys and they became my nephews. The 9-year old told me, when he was ten, that it was his fault his father committed suicide.
We talked for an hour and I stressed that only one person was responsible and that was his father. And, he was drunk when he killed himself.
I've investigated many suicides and most were incredibly stupid. People looking for sympathy, looking for attention, looking to hurt someone. Perhaps three percent of the ones I investigated were for good cause. I have far more sympathy for the survivors than I do for the selfish people who commit suicide.
And the saddest part? This girl thinks her suicide will matter. Lives will be shattered. People will never recover. Sorry, but it's not true. There is some short-term suffering but life goes on. A woman who worked for me was threatening suicide, weekly, and I asked her one day if she'd considered the effect her suicide would have on others. "Oh, I realize it would be terrible but I simply can't cope." I laughed and said, "Only terrible for you. The others at work will be really upset until we get the list of applicants and hire someone new. In six months, if someone mentions your name people will say, "Who?" You mom and dad will be very upset for a couple of months but their lives will go on, too. They'll think of you on your birthday, maybe, and at Christmas but other than that, not so much. The only person really effected will be you." She eventually left our organization. Three years later I got an inquiry from a university many states away about her. Apparently she was still alive and still threatening to kill herself.
I knew a man who had an employee who was a drunk. He skipped work Monday and Friday. Other employees were asking why Bob got four-day weekends and they didn't. When Bob was told no more four-day weekends he flew into a rage, said he'd kill himself, and it would be the boss's fault. The idiot boss believed him and quit his job. Suicides are often an irrational form of bullying.
I have far more sympathy for the hundreds of murder victims in Chicago that no one outside their families care about. I have far more sympathy for children growing up unable to read or write in a wealthy country spending billions on education. I am sorry this young woman killed herself. She shouldn't have. But, her family and friends have my sympathy. Not her. But, I don't hate her. Hatred isn't a big part of my life. Unlike those like Gov. Dean who hates all Republicans. Not dislikes or disagrees with but hates. Hatred is a sad condition that often leads to suicide.
You can blame. She was the only one responsible for her decision. I'm curious. If instead of killing herself, she had chosen to kill her parents. Would you have held her responsible for that? How about if she'd killed those she who she felt were bullying her? Would that have been her responsibility or theirs? So, do you blame the victims?
This is why public schools are garbage, and private schools are a LOT better.
You can blame. She was the only one responsible for her decision. I'm curious. If instead of killing herself, she had chosen to kill her parents. Would you have held her responsible for that? How about if she'd killed those she who she felt were bullying her? Would that have been her responsibility or theirs? So, do you blame the victims?
Verthaine: "That may be true,but there seems to be a number of peoples who's deeds and words influenced her to the point of deciding to take her own life. As a parent my sympathy and condolences goes out to her family."
As a parent my sympathy and condolences go out to her family, and her friends, and her teachers, and everyone who might blame themselves. My nephew is 19 now but when he was nine his mother ran off with a boyfriend abandoning a 1-year old, a 4-year old, and a 9-year old. Six months later the father committed suicide. A friend of mine adopted the boys and they became my nephews. The 9-year old told me, when he was ten, that it was his fault his father committed suicide.
We talked for an hour and I stressed that only one person was responsible and that was his father. And, he was drunk when he killed himself.
I've investigated many suicides and most were incredibly stupid. People looking for sympathy, looking for attention, looking to hurt someone. Perhaps three percent of the ones I investigated were for good cause. I have far more sympathy for the survivors than I do for the selfish people who commit suicide.
And the saddest part? This girl thinks her suicide will matter. Lives will be shattered. People will never recover. Sorry, but it's not true. There is some short-term suffering but life goes on. A woman who worked for me was threatening suicide, weekly, and I asked her one day if she'd considered the effect her suicide would have on others. "Oh, I realize it would be terrible but I simply can't cope." I laughed and said, "Only terrible for you. The others at work will be really upset until we get the list of applicants and hire someone new. In six months, if someone mentions your name people will say, "Who?" You mom and dad will be very upset for a couple of months but their lives will go on, too. They'll think of you on your birthday, maybe, and at Christmas but other than that, not so much. The only person really effected will be you." She eventually left our organization. Three years later I got an inquiry from a university many states away about her. Apparently she was still alive and still threatening to kill herself.
I knew a man who had an employee who was a drunk. He skipped work Monday and Friday. Other employees were asking why Bob got four-day weekends and they didn't. When Bob was told no more four-day weekends he flew into a rage, said he'd kill himself, and it would be the boss's fault. The idiot boss believed him and quit his job. Suicides are often an irrational form of bullying.
I have far more sympathy for the hundreds of murder victims in Chicago that no one outside their families care about. I have far more sympathy for children growing up unable to read or write in a wealthy country spending billions on education. I am sorry this young woman killed herself. She shouldn't have. But, her family and friends have my sympathy. Not her. But, I don't hate her. Hatred isn't a big part of my life. Unlike those like Gov. Dean who hates all Republicans. Not dislikes or disagrees with but hates. Hatred is a sad condition that often leads to suicide.
No please read my post towards the end. If the mindset of the society is set in one direction they will elect persons who are or say they are aligned with that society and the system that the elected officials manage will be in line with that mindset.
The teachers here did what they did because they knew and have known for many years that NOTHING would happen to them and their bosses had thier backs all the way up. (as i said).
In other places such as Michigan, their actions would have resulted in at least the teachers and possibly others getting fired or arrested.
It is not a function of the schools. Private schools have the same issues in some places. It is a matter of the mindset of the public who allows these things to happen and continually elects people who think this type behavior is permissable.
change the system to support childrens rights to not being harrassed and you change the schools mindset.
Hence, the problem. she gave up.
I cannot take the side of people who commit suicide. I do not take the side of people who push people to consider such a drastic decision either.
In my opinion, the problem is that kids are learning all of life's lessons from each other. It's the blind leading the blind. They need better role models, and the school system can't provide that. We need to integrate them in to adult society a lot better.
I just started another thread on this in the "polls" section. Let me hear your thoughts over there.
I'm going to have to agree a with MaggieD on this one on both points.
I sincerely hope,Rainman05,you are not the type of person who delights in the misery and self destruction of others.
What that poor troubled girl needed was help and understanding during life,not condemnation after death.
This is why public schools are garbage, and private schools are a LOT better.
Those who acted against her as described should be charged for their crimes. It is that simple.
Let it influence your life every single day in some way. Let it remind you of how cruel some people can be, and why there must be changes. measures taken, to combat this horrifc bullying.
Absolutely! Im in the middle of adopting a girl, and believe me, after reading this story/video, im really concerned.
I want Draconian methods to be passed to deter bullying once and for all. Currently, what we are doing is not enough.
What do you think ought to be done?
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