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The Biggest Threat to National Security

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What are the biggest programs that all that federal spending and debt are funding?

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other so-called welfare-state entitlements, along with military spending, including the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet, what do Republicans and Democrats say? They say, "We promise you that we won't touch any of those programs. But we also promise you that we'll rein in out-of-control federal spending and debt."

That's ridiculous. Why? Because all those welfare-warfare programs amount to 80 percent of federal expenditures! How can they rein in federal spending without touching programs that constitute 80 percent of federal spending, especially when the balance of the spending includes interest on the debt and such sacrosanct programs as the war on drugs?

They can't. It's a joke when they claim they can.

The day of reckoning has arrived. It is time for Americans to embrace the libertarian solution to this giant mess: Immediately abolish (repeal) all the welfare-state and interventionist programs, beginning with the crown jewel of socialism, Social Security, and the crown jewel of interventionism, the drug war.

It's time to admit that America's experiment with statism, originating with the Franklin Roosevelt administration, was a grave mistake, one that has not only inculcated a sense of helplessness, dependency, and fear among the American people, not only plunged our nation into the moral debauchery of coercive confiscation and redistribution of wealth and punishment for peaceful activity, but is now also heading our nation into bankruptcy.
I fear my government more than some pissant punk terrorist. Why because the government can steal, oppress and kill me with the stroke of a pen and will have the backing of the media and its supporters to justify it.

Campaign For Liberty — The Biggest Threat to National Security    by Jacob Hornberger
 

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We can overthrow that government every election cycle. What is important to note is the reason politicians won't touch those things is because we the people won't allow them to. If they did, they would be gone.
 

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What are the biggest programs that all that federal spending and debt are funding?

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other so-called welfare-state entitlements, along with military spending, including the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yet, what do Republicans and Democrats say? They say, "We promise you that we won't touch any of those programs. But we also promise you that we'll rein in out-of-control federal spending and debt."

That's ridiculous. Why? Because all those welfare-warfare programs amount to 80 percent of federal expenditures! How can they rein in federal spending without touching programs that constitute 80 percent of federal spending, especially when the balance of the spending includes interest on the debt and such sacrosanct programs as the war on drugs?

They can't. It's a joke when they claim they can.

The day of reckoning has arrived. It is time for Americans to embrace the libertarian solution to this giant mess: Immediately abolish (repeal) all the welfare-state and interventionist programs, beginning with the crown jewel of socialism, Social Security, and the crown jewel of interventionism, the drug war.

It's time to admit that America's experiment with statism, originating with the Franklin Roosevelt administration, was a grave mistake, one that has not only inculcated a sense of helplessness, dependency, and fear among the American people, not only plunged our nation into the moral debauchery of coercive confiscation and redistribution of wealth and punishment for peaceful activity, but is now also heading our nation into bankruptcy.
Politicians won't touch them so abolish them = non-sequiter. How about we embrace a realistic approach of "touching" them to the extent we need to?
 

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Ronald Reagan told us government was the problem; but, he was wrong. Government is our shared solution when we must act together to address a common problem. But, of course, government is composed of people … imperfect people …
You're someone I can have a civilized debate with. And that's what I shall initiate.

Government can be many things.

I personally believe, if you have a truly accountable government, that they then should be in charge of the things that truly make the difference to every day citizens.

One area especially is Health Care. In my opinion, Health Care should not be in the hands of private corporations. Profit should not be associated with peoples well being in health terms. Call me crazy lol.

In real terms, if the government is truly accountable to its citizens, when it performs badly, it can be voted out, and the problem with whatever area you have can be fixed.

Sometimes with private business that's not possible. Especially in America where private industry has a monolopy on things like Health Care, can charge what they want, and had the influence to make up their own rules.

HOWEVER

Government can also be a destructive force. Especially when one looks at things like security. Secret governmental organizations, harrassing citizens based on Hearsay, it happens even up here.

Government CAN put unfair burdens on business, government can do stupid things, like tell us the other day, that we need to start pre bagging popcorn instead of bagging it on order. Which is a huge guest complaint. Stupid things like this are good examples of government being dumbasses.

All in all. If you can hold our government accountable. They should be in charge of certain basic things. If you can't. Then ordinary citizens have to step up and take that mantle. But on the whole, neither Private industry, nor government should have the complete and final say on anything. The people should.
 
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