The big lie exposed after just 5 years

[Crovax]

The lie that liberals and libertarians have been saying for decades has finally been exposed. The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost, in reality it created an unsustainable industry that now can't survive without tax cuts.

California Legal Pot Industry Tells Gov. Newsom System May Collapse

Dozens of cannabis officials and advocates said regulations and taxes are harming the industry as it tries to compete with a cheaper, larger illegal market.

www.newsweek.com

As long as there is regulations and taxes it will always be cheaper to produce and sell weed illegally.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

 

[Mr Person]

Let's not let drug warriors drive us straight back to the unbelievably damaging and utterly pointless illegalization scheme. Especially not with the usual "look at California" routine, as if nothing could work if one state didn't do it just right.

MA has gotten it right thus far: if you want guaranteed quality/etc, go to a shop. If you want to try your own hand, grow it home. If you go to the black market, it's up to you...we'll leave you alone unless you are moving huge amounts or are generally making a nuisance of yourself.

Money was just the hook for people who couldn't see the error in that false sense of self-righteousness some seem to foster by being "against" things the government told them are "bad". It's the least harmful recreational drug around, especially if consumed in anyway but burning. We should have never had to ask "should this be made legal?" It should always have been so.

Let's not let the horribly damaging drug warriors try to regain ground by trying to make it exclusively about whether the state can make money.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

If someone says "well, shit, this one state right here didn't get the taxes just right, so we can't have marijuana being legal", that person is not going to provide a sensible answer. And if they say that because they found an article about an industry complaint in one state, it is "clear" that we shouldn't legalize....



Extra credit: speaking of "lies", let's see what happens to the "lie" these so-called libertarians tell about the way they think society can even function.

How a New Hampshire libertarian utopia was foiled by bears

Seriously, this happened. You should absolutely read about it.

www.vox.com

Libertarianism: that's how you get bears, Lana.

I'm going to listen to libertarians tell me how to structure policy? Please. Their federal platform is getting rid of taxation. Poof. Only voluntary donations. Yeah... I don't think they have much to say to me about financial policy one way or the other, no matter how many articles they find.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost

I still believe it is.

But even if it wasn't I quite frankly don't care if something is profitable for the government or not. The government are the ones choosing to involve themselves in this.

 

[aociswundumho]

The lie that liberals and libertarians have been saying for decades has finally been exposed. The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost, in reality it created an unsustainable industry that now can't survive without tax cuts.

No, that's something progressives say, since their only interest is in taxing weed smokers in order to transfer even more money from the private sector to state coffers.

As long as there is regulations and taxes it will always be cheaper to produce and sell weed illegally.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

A free market in all drugs, which is something libertarians have been promoting for 50 years now.

 

[Mr Person]

No, that's something progressives say, since their only interest is in taxing weed smokers in order to transfer even more money from the private sector to state coffers.

A lie, because of course what they said all along is that it should be legal. Taxation was just for selfish middle-of-the-roaders who simply didn't care if drug laws were long used to target black people, counter-culture, and anything seen as a threat to the conservative right but also didn't care much about pot itself - the explanation typically being that they don't use it - and could thus only be moved by promises of tax income or other goodies.

Shame we have people like that. It's a disgusting attitude. If you don't use it and you don't care much about it, you shouldn't want it illegal. But it was, and they saw a chance to get something they wanted, so they made clear that they'd have to see tax revenue or the like to agree to end the unjust legal scheme. You do what you have to do. So, those people were offered taxation.

And it does work broadly. CA ****ing something up doesn't mean the thing cannot be done right. An article alleging that CA has ****ed up doesn't mean CA has indeed ****ed up. And if that article is based on one complaint letter signed by an industry that only exists because we wrongly made pot illegal and needed a route to legalization, well, there goes the whole gambit. It's a bullshit thread. No more, no less.




People reveal themselves by the wagons to which they hitch.

 

[Crovax]

A lie, because of course what they said all along is that it should be legal. Taxation was just for selfish middle-of-the-roaders who simply didn't care if drug laws were long used to target black people, counter-culture, and anything seen as a threat to the conservative right but also didn't care much about pot itself - the explanation typically being that they don't use it - and could thus only be moved by promises of tax income or other goodies.

Shame we have people like that. It's a disgusting attitude. If you don't use it and you don't care much about it, you shouldn't want it illegal. But it was, and they saw a chance to get something they wanted, so they made clear that they'd have to see tax revenue or the like to agree to end the unjust legal scheme. You do what you have to do. So, those people were offered taxation.

And it does work broadly. CA ****ing something up doesn't mean the thing cannot be done right. An article alleging that CA has ****ed up doesn't mean CA has indeed ****ed up. And if that article is based on one complaint letter signed by an industry that only exists because we wrongly made pot illegal and needed a route to legalization, well, there goes the whole gambit. It's a bullshit thread. No more, no less.




People reveal themselves by the wagons to which they hitch.

You're entire argument is just the opposite of mine...

CA ****ed up but it can totally be done better somewhere else, trust me on it

 

[Crovax]

A free market in all drugs, which is something libertarians have been promoting for 50 years now.

We had that for a long time, it's the main reason we know we shouldn't have it now

 

[Crovax]

I still believe it is.

But even if it wasn't I quite frankly don't care if something is profitable for the government or not. The government are the ones choosing to involve themselves in this.

I don't think the govt really cares if it's profitable but going back to a black market is something few want

 

[aociswundumho]

We had that for a long time, it's the main reason we know we shouldn't have it now

In other words, you have no idea as to how certain drugs became illegal in the first place.

 

[Crovax]

you have no idea as to how certain drugs became illegal in the first place.

That is exactly how I would summarize YOUR position on the issue

 

[Deuce]

In other words, you have no idea as to how certain drugs became illegal in the first place.

Needed more ways to oppress minorities.

 

[noonereal]

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

Why post such inane stuff?

 

[dex4974]

Fighting against legal weed is a lost cause.

 

[eohrnberger]

The lie that liberals and libertarians have been saying for decades has finally been exposed. The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost, in reality it created an unsustainable industry that now can't survive without tax cuts.

California Legal Pot Industry Tells Gov. Newsom System May Collapse

Dozens of cannabis officials and advocates said regulations and taxes are harming the industry as it tries to compete with a cheaper, larger illegal market.

www.newsweek.com

As long as there is regulations and taxes it will always be cheaper to produce and sell weed illegally.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

Hardly the first time that liberal / progressive / Democrat public policies, founded in academic theory and emotion rather than reality, and would have failed.
Just have to look at the rampant crime increase which resulted from their 'no cash bail' theory based, and not reality based, public policy.

The liberal / progressive / Democrat have established a track record for exactly this sort of outcome for their public policy proposals.

 

[Roadvirus]

The lie that liberals and libertarians have been saying for decades has finally been exposed. The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost, in reality it created an unsustainable industry that now can't survive without tax cuts.

California Legal Pot Industry Tells Gov. Newsom System May Collapse

Dozens of cannabis officials and advocates said regulations and taxes are harming the industry as it tries to compete with a cheaper, larger illegal market.

www.newsweek.com

As long as there is regulations and taxes it will always be cheaper to produce and sell weed illegally.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

Like everything else, the California morons overtax the Cheech and Chong Fan Club to the point where they can't sustain themselves.

 

[eohrnberger]

Like everything else, the California morons overtax the Cheech and Chong Fan Club to the point where they can't sustain themselves.

Seems a recurring issue with 'the California morons' (in the state legislature), overtaxing.

 

[aociswundumho]

MA has gotten it right thus far: if you want guaranteed quality/etc, go to a shop. If you want to try your own hand, grow it home. If you go to the black market, it's up to you...we'll leave you alone unless you are moving huge amounts or are generally making a nuisance of yourself.

No, they haven't. It was a few years ago, but I recall legal weed there being like $80 for an eighth, which is ridiculous.

A lie, because of course what they said all along is that it should be legal.

No, every progressive said it should be taxed and regulated. Progressives do not support free markets in anything.

And it does work broadly. CA ****ing something up doesn't mean the thing cannot be done right. An article alleging that CA has ****ed up doesn't mean CA has indeed ****ed up. And if that article is based on one complaint letter signed by an industry that only exists because we wrongly made pot illegal and needed a route to legalization, well, there goes the whole gambit. It's a bullshit thread. No more, no less.

Marijuana should be treated like tomato plants. That's how to do it right.

 

[eohrnberger]

No, they haven't. It was a few years ago, but I recall legal weed there being like $80 for an eighth, which is ridiculous.



No, every progressive said it should be taxed and regulated. Progressives do not support free markets in anything.

Humorous thought: "The legal weed establishments can't compete with the illegal ones. They need government subsidies!"
Before you jump down my throat, I'm kidding.

Marijuana should be treated like tomato plants. That's how to do it right.

 

[Glitch]

The lie that liberals and libertarians have been saying for decades has finally been exposed. The lie of course is that legalizing Marijuana and taxing it will be an economic and a tax boost, in reality it created an unsustainable industry that now can't survive without tax cuts.

California Legal Pot Industry Tells Gov. Newsom System May Collapse

Dozens of cannabis officials and advocates said regulations and taxes are harming the industry as it tries to compete with a cheaper, larger illegal market.

www.newsweek.com

As long as there is regulations and taxes it will always be cheaper to produce and sell weed illegally.

So it's clear that legalization is not the approach, what's next?

The only viable solution is decriminalization, but that will never happen because politicians will never give up their control.

Marijuana should be treated no differently than dandelions or crab-grass by government. No government restrictions on possession or use, no taxation, no regulation whatsoever. Government should not be involved with marijuana at all. By legalizing it we've effectively turned our government into drug pushers. With legalization government has a vested interest in seeing marijuana used by the population, so they can increase their tax revenue. A government that profits from the vices of its citizens is not a moral government.

 

[eohrnberger]

The only viable solution is decriminalization, but that will never happen because politicians will never give up their control.

Marijuana should be treated no differently than dandelions or crab-grass by government. No government restrictions on possession or use, no taxation, no regulation whatsoever. Government should not be involved with marijuana at all. By legalizing it we've effectively turned our government into drug pushers.

With legalization government has a vested interest in seeing marijuana used by the population, so they can increase their tax revenue. A government that profits from the vices of its citizens is not a moral government.

The next mandate after vaccines?

 

[Glitch]

You're entire argument is just the opposite of mine...

CA ****ed up but it can totally be done better somewhere else, trust me on it

It was done better somewhere else, for decades. That "somewhere else" was Alaska.

In 1974 the Alaska Supreme Court held that government could not prohibit marijuana for personal use, only commercial use. The court defined "personal use" as being up to four ounces of processed marijuana in possession and/or a maximum of 25 growing marijuana plants. Anything over those amounts and it was deemed "commercial use" and illegal.

It was also illegal to sell any amount of marijuana, since that would also constitute "commercial use."

Personal use marijuana was decriminalized in Alaska from 1974 until 2015. Then in 2015 Alaska voted to legalize marijuana. Now only one ounce of marijuana may be legally possessed, no more than six marijuana plants may be growing at any one time, and now there is a $50/ounce tax on marijuana.

Decriminalization is a far better solution than legalization.

 

[Crovax]

The only viable solution is decriminalization, but that will never happen because politicians will never give up their control.

Marijuana should be treated no differently than dandelions or crab-grass by government. No government restrictions on possession or use, no taxation, no regulation whatsoever. Government should not be involved with marijuana at all. By legalizing it we've effectively turned our government into drug pushers. With legalization government has a vested interest in seeing marijuana used by the population, so they can increase their tax revenue. A government that profits from the vices of its citizens is not a moral government.

If you tried to sell any type of plant for consumption you can bet there are taxes and regulations on it

 

[Glitch]

If you tried to sell any type of plant for consumption you can bet there are taxes and regulations on it

There are no taxes or government regulations on dandelions or crab-grass. The same thing should be applied to marijuana. Nobody sells dandelions or crab-grass either, so nobody should be selling marijuana. People are quite capable of growing their own, and since it is a weed it will grow just about anywhere from the Arctic to the tropics.

 

[Crovax]

There are no taxes or government regulations on dandelions or crab-grass. The same thing should be applied to marijuana. Nobody sells dandelions or crab-grass either, so nobody should be selling marijuana. People are quite capable of growing their own, and since it is a weed it will grow just about anywhere from the Arctic to the tropics.

There are if you try to sell them for human consumption

 

[Glitch]

There are if you try to sell them for human consumption

No, there isn't. I could sell a bag full of dandelions and crab-grass tomorrow and there are no State or federal regulations/taxes involved. Just because you wish it were so, does not make it so. I defy you to cite any State or federal law pertaining to the taxation or regulation of crab-grass.