The Biden Hoax

[Conservative]

Did you not get the memo? Trump admitted he lied about the virus in order to "protect people" from "mass hysteria".

You asked for a lie that greatly harmed America and Americans and I gave it to you. YOU DO NOT CARE. So stop pretending!

What lie? Post the quote from January and February that was a lie based upon the W.H.O and CDC Memos and understanding of the issue? It is easy for you placing blame on someone else rather than accepting personal responsibility, isn't it. Did Trump send infected seniors back into their nursing homes to infect others? What exactly is the state and local responsibilities in this issue? Are you going to blame foreign leaders for the deaths of their citizens like you do our President?

 

[Conservative]

Yes, high numbers of deaths. We have 4% of the world's population but leads in cases and deaths. That's what you're ignoring despite the many times I've pointed out how the entire European continent with double our population has slightly higher number of cases and deaths. That you embrace this kind of failure is comical since you claim you value "results".

That's because the countries you are comparing us against aren't close in population nor are you certain as to the credibility of their data. You believe China only had 86,000 cases and 4600 deaths with 1.4 billion people? you have been indoctrinated well by the left and should be put on their payroll

 

[ElChupacabra]

Right, the Obama economy didn't destroy Trump nor will Covid 19. The American electorate gets it and notices that people like you divert from the question as to why they are voting for Biden, All anti Trump rhetoric, no Biden passion or support

I've answered all of your repetitive questions. You provide nothing but vitriol and use argumentum ad nauseam as a retort.

And oh by the way what accountability for police on the front lines against radical rioters? You confuse actual police actions being prosecuted to police not receiving support from their mayors on the front line in riots

Police accountability has been on the table of police reform for decades; some cities have made better progress than others, but it's a work in progress; this isn't a new issue nor is it coming about just because of the recent unrest. So aside from being a cheerleader for cops, what does Trump propose to do to help the deeper issues behind this other than just saying he's for "law and order"?

 

[ElChupacabra]

That's because the countries you are comparing us against aren't close in population nor are you certain as to the credibility of their data. You believe China only had 86,000 cases and 4600 deaths with 1.4 billion people? you have been indoctrinated well by the left and should be put on their payroll

You're flailing now. I used the European continent as an example because it has double our population yet has less total cases and 20k more deaths than the US. Why is the US faring worse? I have not mentioned nor factored in China's data in any of my responses. You just can't respond to any of this in a cogent manner so you resort to your typical canned responses. This has nothing to do with indoctrination; it's a matter of having a response to the data I've cited.

 

[Conservative]

I've answered all of your repetitive questions. You provide nothing but vitriol and use argumentum ad nauseam as a retort.



Police accountability has been on the table of police reform for decades; some cities have made better progress than others, but it's a work in progress; this isn't a new issue nor is it coming about just because of the recent unrest. So aside from being a cheerleader for cops, what does Trump propose to do to help the deeper issues behind this other than just saying he's for "law and order"?

yes, some cities have but apparently not the liberal cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chicago, NYC, Kenosha, Minneapolis, Louisville whose police dept. is endorsing Trump, WHY??????

Then there is the issue you ignore, police on the front lines not responsible for the police action causing these riots. The legal system is in place to prosecute the bad cops but apparently not to protect the goods ones on the front lines.

Trump's plan, put federal judges on the bench that will enforce the law not judicial activists who legislate from the bench.

 

[Conservative]

You're flailing now. I used the European continent as an example because it has double our population yet has less total cases and 20k more deaths than the US. Why is the US faring worse? I have not mentioned nor factored in China's data in any of my responses. You just can't respond to any of this in a cogent manner so you resort to your typical canned responses. This has nothing to do with indoctrination; it's a matter of having a response to the data I've cited.

LOL, the entire continent vs. our results? I have posted this before and ignored,

9/28/2020	Cases	Deaths		%
World	33431133	1003168		3.0%
England	439013	42072		9.6%
France	542639	31808		5.9%
Sweden	92466	5885		6.4%
Canada	156654	9289		5.9%
Denmark	24257	641		2.6%
Germany	288613	9545		3.3%
United States	6,968,226	203446		2.9%
Japan	57550	1128		2.0%
China	85223	4634		5.4%
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...most-well-developed-public-health-care-system
https://bing.com/covid/local/unitedstates?form=COVD07

 

[Conservative]

You're flailing now. I used the European continent as an example because it has double our population yet has less total cases and 20k more deaths than the US. Why is the US faring worse? I have not mentioned nor factored in China's data in any of my responses. You just can't respond to any of this in a cogent manner so you resort to your typical canned responses. This has nothing to do with indoctrination; it's a matter of having a response to the data I've cited.

You're flailing now. I used the European continent as an example because it has double our population yet has less total cases and 20k more deaths than the US. Why is the US faring worse? I have not mentioned nor factored in China's data in any of my responses. You just can't respond to any of this in a cogent manner so you resort to your typical canned responses. This has nothing to do with indoctrination; it's a matter of having a response to the data I've cited.

I have a solution for you with regards to those countries, move there and see how well their healthcare systemsare

 

[Rawley]

I have a solution for you with regards to those countries, move there and see how well their healthcare systemsare

I frankly don't trust our data, let alone the reporting of Covid infections, hospitalization and deaths coming out of Russia, China ....

 

[RabidAlpaca]

What lie? Post the quote from January and February that was a lie based upon the W.H.O and CDC Memos and understanding of the issue? It is easy for you placing blame on someone else rather than accepting personal responsibility, isn't it. Did Trump send infected seniors back into their nursing homes to infect others? What exactly is the state and local responsibilities in this issue? Are you going to blame foreign leaders for the deaths of their citizens like you do our President?

Trump admitted he lied about the seriousness of covid to "protect America from mass hysteria". You don't get to deny things he said.

Another liberal American promoting the socialist ideology, please explain to us how the U.S. has a 2.9% death to infection rate which is much better than most of Europe and Canada? Keep blaming the President for individual failures. Can you explain why you haven't contracted the disease?

Deaths per infection means little. What matters is a country's deaths per capita, as in what percentage actually died from it, in which America did one of the worst in the world, third world countries included.

According to you, a country of a million people with 10 covid infections and 1 death would be worse than the US because you'd try to use a phony 10% metric.

I haven't contracted it because I live in Germany and we've outperformed nearly every country on earth.

 

[Rawley]

Deaths per infection means little. What matters is a country's deaths per capita, as in what percentage actually died from it, in which America did one of the worst in the world, third world countries included.

Country				Deaths/100K pop.

San Marino				124.32
Peru				100.85
Belgium				87.44
Bolivia				69.58
Andorra				68.83
Brazil				67.82
Chile				67.80
Spain				67.23
Ecuador				66.03
United Kingdom				63.30
US				62.68

 

[Rawley]

Mortality Analyses - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

How does mortality differ across countries? Examining the number of deaths per confirmed case and per 100,000 population. A global comparison.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

 

[ElChupacabra]

yes, some cities have but apparently not the liberal cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chicago, NYC, Kenosha, Minneapolis, Louisville whose police dept. is endorsing Trump, WHY??????

I've already answered as to why; I even put in red bold so you wouldn't miss it.

Then there is the issue you ignore, police on the front lines not responsible for the police action causing these riots. The legal system is in place to prosecute the bad cops but apparently not to protect the goods ones on the front lines.

Well that's precisely the problem: it's not. How many of the recent cases would have resulted in any kind of attention without people recording these incidents and making them public? I know there are plenty of good cops, but there are a lot of layers which make accountability next to impossible. In the past these incidents didn't make national headlines because it was always a person's word against a cop. Add to that police falsifying reports and there is no recourse for citizens. If the PBA were that interested in holding bad cops accountable, why the pushback against body cams when they were first introduced? Why do they constantly battle against the Civilian Complaint Review Board?

Trump's plan, put federal judges on the bench that will enforce the law not judicial activists who legislate from the bench.

That does bugger all to the core issues behind the tensions; absolutely bugger all. I guess your only retort is another platitude.

 

[ElChupacabra]

LOL, the entire continent vs. our results? I have posted this before and ignored,

Yes, and your table does nothing to address the point I made. Your failure to answer a simple question on why a nation of 330mil people has similar results to a continent of 770mil people is noted. You complained about population numbers, so rather than going the route of comparing the US to Indonesia (270mil people), I thought it would be better to compare to another industrialized section of the world with some of the same problems which make COVID 19 more problematic (e.g. high density populations).

Your responses imply you accept these bad metrics, and prefer to look at others that support your narrative.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I have a solution for you with regards to those countries, move there and see how well their healthcare systemsare

Why? I'm fine where I am. I have used their healthcare system the few times I've worked abroad (UK, Spain) and it was fine.

 

[Conservative]

Trump admitted he lied about the seriousness of covid to "protect America from mass hysteria". You don't get to deny things he said.



Deaths per infection means little. What matters is a country's deaths per capita, as in what percentage actually died from it, in which America did one of the worst in the world, third world countries included.

According to you, a country of a million people with 10 covid infections and 1 death would be worse than the US because you'd try to use a phony 10% metric.

I haven't contracted it because I live in Germany and we've outperformed nearly every country on earth.

A lie?? And his rhetoric really bothers you? Better get over your hatred as there is no justification for voting for Biden. Doesn't look like you have outperformed us 3.3% death to infection rate vs ours at 2.9%, liberal math??

Germany	288613	9545		3.3%
United States	6,968,226	203446		2.9%

 

[Conservative]

Why? I'm fine where I am. I have used their healthcare system the few times I've worked abroad (UK, Spain) and it was fine.

Why? I'm fine where I am. I have used their healthcare system the few times I've worked abroad (UK, Spain) and it was fine.

Of course you are with your private health insurance, cannot wait for you to see what is really in Medicare for All. Being fine where you are doesn't give you the right to tell others what to do by taking away their freedoms

Now back to the Thread Topic why would anyone support an ideology endorsed by every radical group in the country and with such a radical in Harris on the ticket. Don't believe you are religious and the radicals are doing their best to destroy it but as a Christian and Catholic it appalls me to see such anti Religious zealots trying to do that?

I don't get into religious debates because like this forum no minds are going to be changed, but I am a Catholic and was in bed with my wife when she died and I actually saw her spirit leave her body, I know where she is and that there is a GOD in spite the Anti Religion rhetoric and actions spewed by devout Atheists. Biden was prevented for taking Communion due to his radical left stances on basic issues including Abortion

https://www.electionforum.org/elect...ti-christian-attacks-and-socialist-worldview/

 

[Conservative]

Yes, and your table does nothing to address the point I made. Your failure to answer a simple question on why a nation of 330mil people has similar results to a continent of 770mil people is noted. You complained about population numbers, so rather than going the route of comparing the US to Indonesia (270mil people), I thought it would be better to compare to another industrialized section of the world with some of the same problems which make COVID 19 more problematic (e.g. high density populations).

Your responses imply you accept these bad metrics, and prefer to look at others that support your narrative.

Why aren't our numbers better than a continent?? Probably because Europe is made up of individual nations with each one of the run by an authoritarian capable of enforcing laws and actions. We don't have that in this country no matter how hard you try. Why would anyone who is in the private sector vote for devout public servants with no clue or understanding of the private sector yet are multi millionaires. Can you explain why public servants are multi millionaires?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

As I have asked over and over again, why are you voting for Biden and all I get is he has a good tie

This is why it is pointless responding to you, you cannot with any shred of integrity state the others argument or point.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Why aren't our numbers better than a continent?? Probably because Europe is made up of individual nations with each one of the run by an authoritarian capable of enforcing laws and actions. We don't have that in this country no matter how hard you try.

Suddenly, our states rights Confederate, claims governors are incapable of "enforcing laws and actions (sic)".

Good frigging grief!

 

[RabidAlpaca]

A lie?? And his rhetoric really bothers you? Better get over your hatred as there is no justification for voting for Biden. Doesn't look like you have outperformed us 3.3% death to infection rate vs ours at 2.9%, liberal math??

Germany	288613	9545		3.3%
United States	6,968,226	203446		2.9%

You're over 5 times more likely to die as an American from covid than as a German. You can't ignore the only metric that actually matters.

Country


Deaths/100K pop.


San Marino


124.32
Peru


100.85
Belgium


87.44
Bolivia


69.58
Andorra


68.83
Brazil


67.82
Chile


67.80
Spain


67.23
Ecuador


66.03
United Kingdom


63.30
US


62.68

Thank you, I was too lazy to look for the data for conservative who hates and ignores data.

 

[cabse5]

Nah, this isn't from a progressive lense, this is by pretty much any other country's standards. In Canada, the Democrats would be the Liberal party. To the left of that we have the NDP.

Nah, I don't think only far righties can be fascist, that is demonstrably untrue. Fascism is a methodology, not a lean.

As for progressivism, it is neither left nor right. Up until recently, the Conservative party of Canada was called the Progressive Conservatives. It is still called the Progressive Conservatives at the provincial level in Ontario. Once again, it is a methodology (well, more of an ideology, I guess), not a lean. The only reason it appears left leaning is that most conservative movements around the world today are regressive. It wasn't always that way...the failings and voluntary obsolescence of today's conservative parties don't get to change the definition.

Progressivism in the US is far-left, socialist-dominated politics.

 

[jakiejakester]

having Harris a heartbeat from the Presidency should scare the hell out of all Americans but you are too selfish and so filled with hatred you have zero credibility on this issue. when you find out the left has made a fool out of you it will be too late

Better start thinking what a successful Biden Administration looks like and will do to make things better for you and your family.

There is NOTHING scarier than Trump as President. You're so blindly loyal and so filled with hate that Jesus could be running against Trump and you'd call him a "RADICAL" who will give away all of your possessions and make you be kind to others...the opposite of who you really are.

So...Trump or Jesus? Who would you vote for?

 

[jakiejakester]

Yes, you oppose Trump but have offered no valid reason to vote for Biden, Not being Trump isn't enough of a reason and as a private sector business person why would you support higher taxes and more massive central gov't spending? So what you are saying is rhetoric is enough to divert from the policies offered? Got is, liberal indoctrination at its finest, pay attention only to rhetoric and ignore results

No one cares what you think is a valid reason to vote for Biden. No one owes you any explanation of why. Your posts are always filled with the same type of HATE that Trump exhibits which is why I think you love, love, love him - you share a mutual hatred for mankind...maybe you should run for president?

 

[Grand Mal]

Name for me any so called lies that have affected you or your family or even the country? His supposed corruption pales compared to Obama whose lies were called mistakes but his policies actually hurt the American people giving us the worst recovery in history. So tell us about those so called lies, what policies came out of them? My credibility comes from official data, yours from propaganda. I will take my credibility to court any day vs. yours

As for leaving, I changed my mind, took a little vacation and decided to come back to make a fool out of radicals who refuse to debate the issues and refuse to give Harris/Biden the same anal exam on rhetoric

 

[jakiejakester]

Wrong, there is no obvious way to actually avoid cancer but there is an obvious way to avoid the virus, you cannot seem to grasp the difference. If you get the virus who are you going to blame?

LOL! There IS an obvious way to avoid Covid? Really? That's why 7 million Americans are infected and more than 200K are dead? How selfish of you to not share the OBVIOUS way to avoid Covid? I truly believe that only someone completely ignorant to infectious diseases would think that there's an obvious way (other than a vaccine) to avoid Covid? Since you live in Texas with almost 16K deaths and more than 700K cases how come you haven't shared your miracle way with your fellow Texans?