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The bible says Methezula lived to the ripe old age of 969 years old. Noah lived 950 years. Adam, the spring chicken of the three, only made it to 930 years old. Do you believe these alleged biblical individuals actually lived this long, or is this another of those metaphorical biblical claims that is open to interpretation and speculation ?
 
The bible says Methezula lived to the ripe old age of 969 years old. Noah lived 950 years. Adam, the spring chicken of the three, only made it to 930 years old. Do you believe these alleged biblical individuals actually lived this long, or is this another of those metaphorical biblical claims that is open to interpretation and speculation ?

As fictional heroes and legends of antiquity, the redactors of the biblical narrative, in attempts to forge a national religious identity in the face of possible assimilation, had to assign them supernatural ages, otherwise the time lines wouldn’t make sense. The narrative even asserts that God would only allow humans to live no more than 120 years after the flood (which as we can see is complete BS), even though the subsequent biblical Abraham character was written to have lived until 175.

In a nutshell… humans have never lived to be 900 years old; that is just ancient Near East mythology.


OM
 
As fictional heroes and legends of antiquity, the redactors of the biblical narrative, in attempts to forge a national religious identity in the face of possible assimilation, had to assign them supernatural ages, otherwise the time lines wouldn’t make sense. The narrative even asserts that God would only allow humans to live no more than 120 years after the flood (which as we can see is complete BS), even though the subsequent biblical Abraham character was written to have lived until 175.

In a nutshell… humans have never lived to be 900 years old; that is just ancient Near East mythology.


OM

Whooooaaaa...wait, what????????

There's mythology - in the BIBLE?

:eek:
 
The bible says Methezula lived to the ripe old age of 969 years old. Noah lived 950 years. Adam, the spring chicken of the three, only made it to 930 years old. Do you believe these alleged biblical individuals actually lived this long, or is this another of those metaphorical biblical claims that is open to interpretation and speculation ?

Hi LM...I believe these people actually lived that long...remember, Adam and Eve were created perfect, so even after they sinned, they had little physical flaws in their genes...even today, scientists are still searching for the reason why we grow old and die...here is an article explaining how the way of telling time back then was very similar to our time today...

Did They Really Live That Long?

According to the Bible, Adam lived for 930 years, Seth for 912, and Methuselah for 969​—just 31 years short of a thousand! (Genesis 5:5, 8, 27) Were those years similar in length to ours today, or were they shorter periods, perhaps equivalent to our months, as some have suggested?

The internal evidence in the Bible points to literal years similar in length to ours. Consider: Had the ancient year been only as long as our month, the following men would have become fathers at an impossibly early age: Kenan before he was six years old, and Mahalalel and Enoch just over the age of five.​—Genesis 5:12, 15, 21.

Moreover, the ancients distinguished between days, months, and years. (Genesis 1:14-16; 8:13) In fact, Noah’s detailed chronology helps us to determine the length of a month. A comparison of Genesis 7:11, 24 and Genesis 8:3, 4 shows that five months​—from the 17th day of the second month to the 17th day of the seventh month—​equaled 150 days. Evidently, then, Noah employed a 30-day month, 12 of which added up to a year.​—Genesis 8:5-13.*

But how could people live for 900 years or more? The Bible tells us that God made humans to live forever and that Adam’s sin brought imperfection and death to the human family. (Genesis 2:17; 3:17-19; Romans 5:12) Those who lived before the Flood were much closer to perfection than we are today, and this was no doubt a major factor in their longevity. Methuselah, for instance, was only seven generations removed from Adam.​—Luke 3:37, 38.

Soon, however, Jehovah God will eliminate every trace of Adamic sin from all who exercise faith in the shed blood of his Son, Jesus Christ. “The wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23) Yes, the time is coming when Methuselah’s 969 years will seem very short indeed!

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007252?q=made+to+live+forever&p=sen
 
How long ago was this exactly? How many years?


From Adam’s creation to the Flood. The 1,656 years of this period are set out in Genesis 5:1-29; 7:6, and they may be outlined as shown in the chart at the lower right.

From Adam’s creation to the birth of Seth

130 years

Then to the birth of Enosh

105 years

To the birth of Kenan

90 years

To the birth of Mahalalel

70 years

To the birth of Jared

65 years

To the birth of Enoch

162 years

To the birth of Methuselah

65 years

To the birth of Lamech

187 years

To the birth of Noah

182 years

To the Flood

600 years

Total

1,656 years

The figures shown for the pre-Flood period are those found in the Masoretic text, on which modern translations of the Hebrew Scriptures are based. These figures differ from those found in the Greek Septuagint, but the evidence for accuracy clearly favors the Masoretic text.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000970#h=111:0-149:11
 
What if the antediluvian patriarchs were instead back-and-forth interstellar travelers? :)


OM
 
No.

I mean, today is 18th January, 2019.

How long ago was Adam alive? From today?

According to Bible chronology, about 6044 years ago...
 
According to Bible chronology, about 6044 years ago...

And your response to this

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...side-africa-just-discovered-israel-180967952/

F[FONT=&quot]or decades, scientists have speculated about when exactly the bipedal apes known as [/FONT]Homo sapiens[FONT=&quot] left Africa and moved out to conquer the world. That moment, after all, was a crucial step on the way to today’s human-dominated world. For many years, the consensus view among archaeologists placed the exodus at 60,000 years ago—some 150,000 years after the hominins first appeared.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot]But now, researchers in Israel have found a remarkably preserved jawbone they believe belongs to a [/FONT]Homo sapiens [FONT=&quot]that was much, much older.
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[FONT=&quot]The find, which they’ve dated to somewhere between 177,000 and 194,000 years,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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would be???
 

Or the response to this.


The oldest known buried remains in Britain are 33,000 years old, 4,000 years older than previously thought. The findings show that ceremonial burials were taking place in Western Europe much earlier than researchers had believed.

Red Lady of Paviland
THE 'RED LADY' BURIAL SITE IN WALES

New dating techniques developed by Oxford University and British Museum researchers have pinpointed the age of the 'Red Lady' burial site in Wales, previously thought to be 25,000 years old, to 29,000 years old. Despite the name, the bones are actually those of a man, aged approximately 21 years old.

The Red Lady of Paviland
 
I believe Jehovah God's Word over man's...man has proven time and time again he is fallible...God is not...

"The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring strength.
The reminder of Jehovah is trustworthy, making the inexperienced one wise." Psalm 19:7


MEN wrote the bible.
MEN edited and revised the Bible. Over and over again.

The bible was NOT written by god.

God is not an author.
 
MEN wrote the bible.
MEN edited and revised the Bible. Over and over again.

The bible was NOT written by god.

God is not an author.

You will not convince me that it is not any more than I will convince you that it is...
 
I believe Jehovah God's Word over man's...man has proven time and time again he is fallible...God is not...

"The law of Jehovah is perfect, restoring strength.
The reminder of Jehovah is trustworthy, making the inexperienced one wise." Psalm 19:7

A tad circular. Man claims that God inspired the Bible. How do we know this for certain? Because the Bible says so. Why should we believe that? Because the Bible is infallible. How do we know that it is infallible? Because the Bible is the Word of God.

All of this - according to men - whom you've candidly admitted... are fallible.


OM
 
A tad circular. Man claims that God inspired the Bible. How do we know this for certain? Because the Bible says so. Why should we believe that? Because the Bible is infallible. How do we know that it is infallible? Because the Bible is the Word of God.

All of this - according to men - whom you've candidly admitted... are fallible.


OM

Correction...40 spiritually inspired men over a span of 1500+ years were all in agreement...that is in no way a circular argument...
 
Correction...40 spiritually inspired men over a span of 1500+ years were all in agreement...that is in no way a circular argument...

Not entirely "in agreement"; only so much as later redactors could manage when the myriad folk tales and oral traditions had finally been reduced to writing.

Still... you yourself said that man was fallible. If you think that different people can't subscribe to the same ideology, then how precisely did Jim Jones manage to get 900 individuals to drink that Kool-Aid?


OM
 
Not entirely "in agreement"; only so much as later redactors could manage when the myriad folk tales and oral traditions had finally been reduced to writing.

Still... you yourself said that man was fallible. If you think that different people can't subscribe to the same ideology, then how precisely did Jim Jones manage to get 900 individuals to drink that Kool-Aid?


OM

Did you miss the spiritually inspired part? God's holy spirit can accomplish anything...or the part about 1500+ years?
 
The bible says Methezula lived to the ripe old age of 969 years old. Noah lived 950 years. Adam, the spring chicken of the three, only made it to 930 years old. Do you believe these alleged biblical individuals actually lived this long, or is this another of those metaphorical biblical claims that is open to interpretation and speculation ?

It had to do with traveling at the speed of light, I think.
 
Did you miss the spiritually inspired part? God's holy spirit can accomplish anything...or the part about 1500+ years?

Nope, didn't miss that at all. Again... so men have suggested. Fallible men, as you have so candidly pointed out.


OM
 
Correction...40 spiritually inspired men over a span of 1500+ years were all in agreement...that is in no way a circular argument...

Except when they disagreed with each other, of course.
 
Except when they disagreed with each other, of course.

If you are referring to the gospel accounts, eyewitness accounts are never identical...
 
If you are referring to the gospel accounts, eyewitness accounts are never identical...

I am going on with a lot more than that.. and the claim 'eye witness account are never identical' is not a very good excuse. There are the conflicts when it comes to theological questions for example.. in the Jewish scriptures, you can see the progression of how religious thought developed, and you can see how the Epistle of James , for example, was written to counter errors that Paul wrote when it came to works vs faith.
 
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