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The Bible condones slavery? Really?

So if you were a Hebrew slave, then you had it pretty good. Only 7 years. Now what about every other kind of slave?

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." -Leviticus 25:44-46
 
I also think that it's telling that the bible at no point condemns slavery as an institution. Or am I wrong/
 
Slavery was a normality in virtually every ancient culture and was manifested in many different ways. Defeated foreign soldiers were typically either executed or enslaved. The residents of fallen cities were oftentimes enslaved as reparation for siege costs. Entire populations were often financially enslaved via prohibitive tribute demands. The ancient Egyptian corvé system (pyramid construction) amounted to an internal form of temporary forced servitude. Pharaoh's usually demanded that a defeated king deliver a daughter for marriage (a concubine) and sons as hostages. Documents from the Eighteenth Dynasty (Amenhotep III) clearly show foreign names listed as members of both royal and non-royal households (slaves).

The Hebrew people enslaved others, and were themselves enslaved in Babylon. Jewish tribes in the Arabian peninsula were enslaved and Mohammad himself married Safiyah, the beautiful widow of a Jewish tribal leader executed at his command. The Jewish people also suffered virtual enslavement in the era of Yeshu via the crushing tax burdens imposed by the Herodian dynasty... the appointed surrogates of Rome.

Throughout history, different societies employed different (and oftentimes changing) rules concerning slavery and servitude. One can easily see this elasticity via US history. Slavery still exists. Indeed, a slave ship from Southeast Asia docks almost every month in the Pakistani port of Karachi. These unfortunates (usually young/female) will be auctioned at a slave market west of Peshawar. Almost all are purchased by brokers on behalf of Gulf state clients. It is estimated that hundreds of Haitian child slaves are living in Miami. Countless thousands of Eastern European women have been kidnapped and sexually enslaved in Amsterdam, Istanbul, and Dubai.

Slavery is immoral and reprehensible. To my knowledge, it is neither legal nor sanctioned in any Judeo-Christian/modernistic society.
 
Slavery is immoral and reprehensible. To my knowledge, it is neither legal nor sanctioned in any Judeo-Christian/modernistic society.


That is the modern view.

Historically, slavery was a response to agricultural surplus. Previously, war-captives were executed; the victorious tribe could not afford to feed them and didn't want to turn them loose to seek their revenge. They were often sacrificed to the tribal gods.

With food surpluses, tribes realized they could get useful work out of their captives, instead of simply killing them. Slavery was thus, originally, a more humane alternative to execution of war-captives, once it became economically viable.

Some slaves eventually were allowed to join the tribe as free men, after a period of time and the establishment of trust. Others might have remained slave the rest of their lives. I expect most of them found it preferable to being put to death in some ritualistic (and often painful or horrifying) manner.

Native American Indians practiced this form of slavery, btw.

IN that sense, slavery was an improvement over what had come before, in historical context.

As I mentioned in another post, in ancient times there were many eras/cultures where almost everyone was either a servant or a master. That is, you were either a man of property, or you were a servant to a man of property. IN many cases, a servant was required to fulfill a set number of years as a servant, and then decide whether he wanted to go free or remain in the service of his master. In modern times many wish to equate this practice with slavery, but it isn't comparable really.

Historical context is important.
 
That is the modern view.

Historically, slavery was a response to agricultural surplus. Previously, war-captives were executed; the victorious tribe could not afford to feed them and didn't want to turn them loose to seek their revenge. They were often sacrificed to the tribal gods.

With food surpluses, tribes realized they could get useful work out of their captives, instead of simply killing them. Slavery was thus, originally, a more humane alternative to execution of war-captives, once it became economically viable.

Some slaves eventually were allowed to join the tribe as free men, after a period of time and the establishment of trust. Others might have remained slave the rest of their lives. I expect most of them found it preferable to being put to death in some ritualistic (and often painful or horrifying) manner.

Native American Indians practiced this form of slavery, btw.

IN that sense, slavery was an improvement over what had come before, in historical context.

As I mentioned in another post, in ancient times there were many eras/cultures where almost everyone was either a servant or a master. That is, you were either a man of property, or you were a servant to a man of property. IN many cases, a servant was required to fulfill a set number of years as a servant, and then decide whether he wanted to go free or remain in the service of his master. In modern times many wish to equate this practice with slavery, but it isn't comparable really.

Historical context is important.

In the Bible, God told His people that they could buy slaves from the people around them, even children, and keep them as possessions forever. (Leviticus 25:44-46) It said that they could beat them as hard as they liked, so long as they didn't kill them. (Exodus 21:7-11) It said that even their own men could sell their daughters into slavery, and that those daughters would remain in bondage indefinitely unless they failed to satisfy their master, whereupon they might be resold. (Exodus 21:7-8)

This means that we aren't talking about war-captives. We are talking about property rights. God wasn't just telling His people that they could enslave people as an alternative to executing them during wartime. He expressly permitted them to buy people from neighboring tribes, buy children from foreigners who came among them, and sell their own daughters to pay off their gambling debts. The only set number of years was for Jewish men. Foreigners and purchased daughters were property for life, plain and simple. It is completely comparable to the modern concept of slavery, since that IS the modern concept of slavery.
 
Slavery was a normality in virtually every ancient culture and was manifested in many different ways. Defeated foreign soldiers were typically either executed or enslaved. The residents of fallen cities were oftentimes enslaved as reparation for siege costs. Entire populations were often financially enslaved via prohibitive tribute demands. The ancient Egyptian corvé system (pyramid construction) amounted to an internal form of temporary forced servitude. Pharaoh's usually demanded that a defeated king deliver a daughter for marriage (a concubine) and sons as hostages. Documents from the Eighteenth Dynasty (Amenhotep III) clearly show foreign names listed as members of both royal and non-royal households (slaves).

The Hebrew people enslaved others, and were themselves enslaved in Babylon. Jewish tribes in the Arabian peninsula were enslaved and Mohammad himself married Safiyah, the beautiful widow of a Jewish tribal leader executed at his command. The Jewish people also suffered virtual enslavement in the era of Yeshu via the crushing tax burdens imposed by the Herodian dynasty... the appointed surrogates of Rome.

Throughout history, different societies employed different (and oftentimes changing) rules concerning slavery and servitude. One can easily see this elasticity via US history. Slavery still exists. Indeed, a slave ship from Southeast Asia docks almost every month in the Pakistani port of Karachi. These unfortunates (usually young/female) will be auctioned at a slave market west of Peshawar. Almost all are purchased by brokers on behalf of Gulf state clients. It is estimated that hundreds of Haitian child slaves are living in Miami. Countless thousands of Eastern European women have been kidnapped and sexually enslaved in Amsterdam, Istanbul, and Dubai.

Slavery is immoral and reprehensible. To my knowledge, it is neither legal nor sanctioned in any Judeo-Christian/modernistic society.

What you say above Tashah is completely correct.

But if God is eternal, could see into the future and moral, then it is impossible for him not to condemn slavery past, present and future. Think of all the lives that would unwrecked if the bible contained these words "Slavery is wrong". The Bible is trending with the times it was written which can only conclude that it was written and inspired by men.

Or else we are more moral than God, and therefore we have no business worshipping a being like that.
 
What you say above Tashah is completely correct.

But if God is eternal, could see into the future and moral, then it is impossible for him not to condemn slavery past, present and future. Think of all the lives that would unwrecked if the bible contained these words "Slavery is wrong". The Bible is trending with the times it was written which can only conclude that it was written and inspired by men.

Or else we are more moral than God, and therefore we have no business worshipping a being like that.

The problem is you are trying to judge a being that is supposed to be omnipotent. If that is the case his reasoning for doing whatever may make no sense to our limited human thinking. An omnipotent beings thoughts mite appear completely and utterly irrational to us because we do not have that kind of mental capacity.
 
The problem is you are trying to judge a being that is supposed to be omnipotent. If that is the case his reasoning for doing whatever may make no sense to our limited human thinking. An omnipotent beings thoughts mite appear completely and utterly irrational to us because we do not have that kind of mental capacity.

Ok. So the Bible condones slavery because slavery is good, and we just don't have the mental capacity to understand why. Is that what you are saying?
 
The problem is you are trying to judge a being that is supposed to be omnipotent. If that is the case his reasoning for doing whatever may make no sense to our limited human thinking. An omnipotent beings thoughts mite appear completely and utterly irrational to us because we do not have that kind of mental capacity.

Then that is His fault for not giving us such mental capacity, an act that seems hardly benign
 
Then that is His fault for not giving us such mental capacity, an act that seems hardly benign

We are what we are, and God tells us what we need to know through the Bible. The rest we will know after we die.
 
One verse in the Bible that paints "slave traders" in a bad light doesn't discount all the enforcement of taking and enslaving of slaves in the old Testament. Not to mention the endorsement of remaining in the New Testament:

1 Peter 2:18

- Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Ephesians 6:5

- Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Leviticus 25:44 You may also purchase the children... You may treat them as your property

Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are

Exodus 21:20-21

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand... if the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.

Obey, Slaves. Obey.
 
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We are what we are, and God tells us what we need to know through the Bible. The rest we will know after we die.

Why not tell us all now, and make us capable of understanding it? Why make children when you can make adults? to fuel his ego?
 
Why not tell us all now, and make us capable of understanding it? Why make children when you can make adults? to fuel his ego?

I have no idea, only God knows. I do know it has something to do with having faith.
 
I have no idea, only God knows. I do know it has something to do with having faith.

You know nothing. Kowing implies having some observable basis for your claim. You think so, and hope you're right.
 
I have no idea, only God knows. I do know it has something to do with having faith.

You don't see the problem with this argument?

The bible condones slavery because, when it was written, slavery was normal. It was a common part of the cultures which wrote scripture. Ancient Hebrews did when writing the old testament, and Romans and Greeks has it when writing the new. These are documents about the time and place where they were written. Their precepts should not be used to base a society thousands of years later.

In this culture, we do not condone slavery, and we do not tolerate those who would promote it. It should be a no-brainer to allow people who have been dead for thousands of years to tell us what to do now.
 
You know nothing. Kowing implies having some observable basis for your claim. You think so, and hope you're right.

I know quite a bit, that is what the bible is for. The Bible does not have to cover every little detail to be correct.

As for evidence, it's anecdotal and would mean nothing to you. So no use in explaining it to you.

Don't assume God does not connect with us simply because you have not experienced a connection.
 
You don't see the problem with this argument?

The bible condones slavery because, when it was written, slavery was normal. It was a common part of the cultures which wrote scripture. Ancient Hebrews did when writing the old testament, and Romans and Greeks has it when writing the new. These are documents about the time and place where they were written. Their precepts should not be used to base a society thousands of years later.

The New Testament neither condemns nor condones slavery. It was a reality of the law and accepted as moral in it's time. God lets man make his own decisions to choose between right and wrong. End of story. So you can follow his commandments or not, up to you.

In this culture, we do not condone slavery, and we do not tolerate those who would promote it. It should be a no-brainer to allow people who have been dead for thousands of years to tell us what to do now.

Slavery is not condoned under the present law given to us by Jesus and the profits. So yes it is perfectly acceptable to follow the direct commands of God. If you don't like it, don't.
 
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I know quite a bit, that is what the bible is for. The Bible does not have to cover every little detail to be correct.

As for evidence, it's anecdotal and would mean nothing to you. So no use in explaining it to you.

Don't assume God does not connect with us simply because you have not experienced a connection.

I suspect that those "connections" come from activation of a certain spot on your brain's right hemisphere. Thre's been some studies I can link to if you wish.
 
I suspect that those "connections" come from activation of a certain spot on your brain's right hemisphere. Thre's been some studies I can link to if you wish.

Maybe, maybe not. Either way your assumption about me was false.
 
The New Testament neither condemns nor condones slavery. It was a reality of the law and accepted as moral in it's time. God lets man make his own decisions to choose between right and wrong. End of story. So you can follow his commandments or not, up to you.

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ." (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

The institution of slavery is condoned in this verse. The verse admonishes that it is proper for human property to serve their human owners with deep respect and fear.

Slavery is not condoned under the present law given to us by Jesus and the profits. So yes it is perfectly acceptable to follow the direct commands of God. If you don't like it, don't.

The Old Testament can be used as a reference to know what God's thoughts on the matter are though right? And God thinks that slavery is perfectly fine.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. (Leviticus 25:44-45 NLT)
 
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