- Sep 28, 2017
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Yes, that would be false. We could both "accuse" each other of anything. Wouldn't make any of it true simply because we say it.I might as well accuse you of helping trump as much as any MAGA maniac - similarly false.
In my case, however, it's a objective reality that 220K Bernie supporters voted for Trump in MICH, PA, AND WISC in 2016...and that gave Trump the electoral victory. That 220K was twice Trump's total margin in those thee states, alone.
So when I say that Bernie supporters have done more harm than good, at times....I stand on very solid ground. it's a FACT (not an opinion) that they did. That's how much they hated Hillary Clinton, I guess. And, as a Democrat, I am completely justified in my disgust with that. Trump would not have become POTUS if a large minority faction of Sanders' supporters truly considered themselves to be part of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY in 2016. That's just a fact.
However, if you seriously suggested that I am "helping Trump as much as any MAGA maniac".....simply by stated the FACTS about Sanders' voters in 2016......that would be just baselessly, absurdly false.
But hey, if you say the same things to Sanders' supporters who attack other Democrats for being insufficiently "progressive"....then at least you're being consistent. If not....
Well, I'm sorry, but the facts are the facts. No one is calling anyone garbage. That's just silly.Ya, Bernie supporters, not 'real' Democrats. Bernie, not a 'real' Democrat.
I wish I could agree with you, here. But the FACTS show that Bernie supporters are less committed to the party than other candidates' supporters.
If use of the term "real" is what bothers you, I'm sorry. But the point here is that if Bernie supporters were as loyal to other Democrats as they are to Bernie Dems, America would be in a very different place today.
We agree.Of course. Just as we supported Hillary - far more than Hillary supporters supported Obama or would have supported Bernie. Not because of 'party loyalty', but because basically any Democrat is FAR better than any Republican, and party power matters enormously.
And, fwiw, about 16% of Clinton supporters voted for McCain in 2008. Of course, there were much different dynamics in play, obviously.
I'm not sure why you guys keep bring Clinton into this, though.