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The best analysis for why Democrats are going to lose power.

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I'll go better than that - and argue with the structure of your argument :)

Posting a video of someone on youtube who agrees with your belief that medicare for all would lower total costs does not, actually counter the fact that government programs are - absent a future default on our debt - paid for with taxes. Our opinions on the likely costs differ, but, neither of our opinion counts as baseline knowledge in the way that "government programs are funded by taxes" is.
 
The Dems lost seats in the House in 2020 and clawed their way to a 50-50 Senate. Even so, if you can't see the differences from GOP governance, then I guess you deserve to endure it again.

Biden has done a lot with razor thin majorities, all thing considered.
 
Bill Maher summed up the reason the democrats are losing supporters and will get their asses kicked this November... It's because they are no longer considered a party of common sense.

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I'll go better than that - and argue with the structure of your argument :)

Posting a video of someone on youtube

Katie Porter isn't just someone on YouTube. She took a Republican seat in the House.
who agrees with your belief that medicare for all would lower total costs does not, actually counter the fact that government programs are - absent a future default on our debt - paid for with taxes.

Yeah, and? Of course I acknowledge that. And the vast majority of people would be paying less as a result, it would cover everyone, prevent ~500,000 medical related bankruptcies a year, prevent tens of thousands of deaths. Pro-life, anyone?

The waste and abuse is not in the government system, but demonstrably in the for-profit health insurance system.


Our opinions on the likely costs differ, but, neither of our opinion counts as baseline knowledge in the way that "government programs are funded by taxes" is.

Again, AND? The capitalism system is a function of the government. Money is a function of the government.
 
Katie Porter isn't just someone on YouTube. She took a Republican seat in the House.

Cool; so she's at least as qualified as MJT or AOC. Awesome.

Yeah, and? Of course I acknowledge that.

Indeed - because it's baseline data, and you are fairly intelligent, if I think, sometimes misguided.

Unfortunately, it seems, many people do not know that, or, at least, do not think of it.

Again, AND? The capitalism system is a function of the government. Money is a function of the government.

No - it is a function of society, which can be crushed, hindered, ignored, or enabled by government.
 
Hint: It's NOT the messaging.

Dems treated that last election as if everything was on the line. Yet, when they gained power to enact change, they face planted.




That's a good reason to elect more Democrats--they didn't have enough of a majority.
And we did get an important part of BBB. Unemployment is low. We're out of Afghanistan. Most of the country is vaccinated against Covid.
 
Cool; so she's at least as qualified as MJT or AOC. Awesome.

Oh look, more false equivalencies. And Marjorie Green serves your agenda.

Indeed - because it's baseline data, and you are fairly intelligent, if I think, sometimes misguided.

And I think the daylight between you and someone like JD Vance is about zero.

Unfortunately, it seems, many people do not know that, or, at least, do not think of it.

Gubment bad! You've certainly adopted all the pro-corporate talking points served by the conservative movement.

No - it is a function of society, which can be crushed, hindered, ignored, or enabled by government.

Wait, are you actually saying money isn't a function of government?
 
Biden has done a lot with razor thin majorities, all thing considered.

I think FDR was the last Dem rewarded electorally for making any sort of progress. Even Johnson lost 47 seats in the House immediately after passing the Great Society. The biggest expansion in the social safety net since then lost Obama 63 seats. Biden did pretty well for having the slimmest majority in decades. He'll be punished for it.
 
I think FDR was the last Dem rewarded electorally for making any sort of progress. Even Johnson lost 47 seats in the House immediately after passing the Great Society. The biggest expansion in the social safety net since then lost Obama 63 seats. Biden did pretty well for having the slimmest majority in decades. He'll be punished for it.

What's interesting is even though these Democratic president's get "punished" during their presidencies for their legislation, said legislation always ends up proving popular later...especially when the GOP gets control...and shows why they absolutely suck at "governing". Obamacare become popular the moment Trump and the GOP came into power and attempted to repeal it...and has stood that way ever since.

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They can't run on the climate 'crisis', because they what they want -high gas prices. But they are doing thing to get them back down.
 
What's interesting is even though these Democratic president's get "punished" during their presidencies for their legislation, said legislation always ends up proving popular later...especially when the GOP gets control...and shows why they absolutely suck at "governing". Obamacare become popular the moment Trump and the GOP came into power and attempted to repeal it...and has stood that way ever since.

Sure, but with limited exceptions (e.g., taking back the House in 2018), even those policies becoming popular doesn't really help Dems. You've got red states where the voters went to the polls to enact parts of Obamacare the SCOTUS restricted--Medicaid expansion--but those same voters wouldn't vote for Obama himself, or Dem candidates for state or federal office.

And I'd argue the GOP never really paid a price--again, other than the 2018 backlash to their last absurd repeal attempt--for being on the wrong side of history in 2009/10 and for the embarrassingly bad predictions they made about the ACA at the time. Similarly, the Dems arguably haven't reaped much benefit from the ACA significantly outperforming expectations and, as you point out, becoming reasonably popular. Despite that popularity, it remains a punching bag for left and right alike. Success, good governance, progress--none of these things assure electoral rewards. They may even be anti-correlated!
 
Sure, but with limited exceptions (e.g., taking back the House in 2018), even those policies becoming popular doesn't really help Dems. You've got red states where the voters went to the polls to enact parts of Obamacare the SCOTUS restricted--Medicaid expansion--but those same voters wouldn't vote for Obama himself, or Dem candidates for state or federal office.

And I'd argue the GOP never really paid a price--again, other than the 2018 backlash to their last absurd repeal attempt--for being on the wrong side of history in 2009/10 and for the embarrassingly bad predictions they made about the ACA at the time. Similarly, the Dems arguably haven't reaped much benefit from the ACA significantly outperforming expectations and, as you point out, becoming reasonably popular. Despite that popularity, it remains a punching bag for left and right alike. Success, good governance, progress--none of these things assure electoral rewards. They may even be anti-correlated!

Yeah, that tends to happen when the GOP prioritizes white grievance over any actual legitimate "policy". All they have to do is scream about "socialism", "the border", "CRT", "woke", and god knows what else, and the GOP base will come out and vote in full force, mid-terms and presidential elections alike.

Dem voters outnumber Republicans nationally, but they are fickle, and tend to stay home if the Dem president and congress in power doesn't do everything they want. Biden has accomplished numerous things with razor thin majorities. American rescue plan, infrastructure bill, prioritizing judges, got us out of a forever war, decreased drone strikes, has actually done a lot with regards to student loan debt, just off the top of my head. An argument could be made that Biden has been the most "progressive"
president since at least FDR. NONE of this would have happened if Trump won re-election. But yet, you have lots of Dem voters that will stay home this mid-term...because they think Biden hasn't done much, or anything at all. It's astonishing really.
 
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