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The benevolence of gun control, were not after your guns.

Aha.
Further evidence that the pro gun-control side cannot argue from anything other than emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
Thank you.

I thought you were done here?

Every word I said was true. If I were teaching lobbying in DC, the template I would use is the gun lobby. How a rather small group of people can achieve such complete and total domination of an issue over the wishes of the vast vast majority is a thing of beauty. Evil beauty to be sure... but you still have to take your hat off to their genius at being able to screw the majority each and every time.
 
Funny how the anti-gun is the only ones that fit your description. People fighting to take away rights are the bad guys, get a clue.

Get a clue... you cannot take away rights you do not have to take away.
 
I thought you were through?
Every word I said was true.
Every word you said was based on emotion, ignorace and/or dishonesty, thus serving to substantiate the premise.
 
Get a clue... you cannot take away rights you do not have to take away.

Sorry but the constitution disagrees with you. Glad to know you think we have no rights, should I call you Adolf from now on?
 
Every word you said was based on emotion, ignorace and/or dishonesty, thus serving to substantiate the premise.

Every word I said was true. You disputed nothing.
 
Its a unsourced Facebook meme, ill check the FBI crime data to see if it can be supported.

Edit: Turns out it isn't accurate:

U.S. # of Murders: 14,750.
World Rank (by count): 8 of 207.

U.S. Murder Rate: 4.8 per 100k population
World Rank (by Rate): 103 of 207

Now, lets exclude the murders from:
Chicago: 430
Detroit: 344
DC: 108
New Orleans: 200

That leaves 13,667

Rank for U.S. Excluding 4 listed Cities:
By Count: 12 of 207
By Rate: 108 of 207

Sources: FBI Uniform Crime Report - Murders by City Data
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime - Murders by Country Data

*Not my own work, taken from a poster @ DefensiveCarry.org
There were 532 recorded murders in Chicago in 2012. Maybe it depends on which year you are drawing the stats from? And of course...this all only works if the stats compiled worldwide are done so using the same metrics.
 
Sorry but the constitution disagrees with you. Glad to know you think we have no rights, should I call you Adolf from now on?

Where did I say you have no rights?

OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!! :doh


You are intentionally twisting around what I said in response to your perception of having certain rights with guns that you really don't have.

GOT IT LOUD AND CLEAR. You were trying to score cheap points through fraud. :roll:
 
Every word I said was true.
It is impossible for you to show all of your words to be true, especially the emotional outbursts -- that is, insults -- that only serve to substantiate the premise.
Disagree?
Prove that every word you said was true, and not something based on emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
 
It is impossible for you to show all of your words to be true, especially the emotional outbursts -- that is, insults -- that only serve to substantiate the premise.
Disagree?
Prove that every word you said was true, and not something based on emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Good luck with that from him, my advice: Don't feed the trolls.
 
Where did I say you have no rights?

OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!! :doh


You are intentionally twisting around what I said in response to your perception of having certain rights with guns that you really don't have.

GOT IT LOUD AND CLEAR. You were trying to score cheap points through fraud. :roll:

After you whole definition-gate fraud I figured it was the best way to get down to your level.
 
It is impossible for you to show all of your words to be true, especially the emotional outbursts -- that is, insults -- that only serve to substantiate the premise.
Disagree?
Prove that every word you said was true, and not something based on emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

You have failed to take issue with anything I said simply attacking it saying it comes from emotion and ignorance and dishonesty. You made the claims. You made the allegations against me. Lets see your evidence.

The NRA and the gun lobby are without a doubt one of the most successful lobbying organizations in the land. I stand behind that. Proof can be found in the many public opinion polls showing that 90% of the public supported background checks for all sales and this lobby was able to smash and trash that. Now that is power and that is proof. Evidence of the rampant paranoia and fear employed to do this can be found in countless posts right here from sycophants and toadies of the gun lobby who live at the intersection of Paranoia Place and Slippery Slope Street.

Just minutes ago somebody equated registration with confiscation - a wonderful example of an outright lie and perversion fueled by paranoia and fear.

lachean #45

Registration (then confiscation) and gun bans are the extreme anti-gun positions, but of course since you're anti-2nd amendment you don't like people pointing out the distinction between the likes of you and pro-2nd Amendment patriots.

The idea there that registration is merely foreplay to the intercourse of confiscation and are really part and parcel of the same process. Such blatant dishonesty. Lots of decent folks I know fully support registration but would never support confiscation.

You asked for proof - it was not hard to find.

Its no secret.
 
The Obama administration will not drop its pursuit of tougher gun laws, Vice President Joe Biden vowed Tuesday, warning lawmakers who opposed earlier gun legislation of political hell to pay.

“The country has changed,” Biden, the administration’s point person on gun control, said at an event at the White House. “You will pay a political price for not getting engaged with dealing with gun safety.”

Biden cited a “fundamental change in the political calculus” on guns, in which pro-gun control voters have mobilized, and will look to exact revenge against opposing lawmakers on Election Day.

“Look at those who voted no, and look at the pool results in their states immediately after they voted no,” he said

Biden: White House has not 'given up' on gun control - NBC Politics

I collected these quotes:

"People who own guns are essentially a "sickness on our souls" that must be "cleansed. ... Cleansing a sickness from our souls doesn't come easy. It's gruesome..." - John Morse,

Anti-gun Senator Mike Johnson (D-Denver) is quoted herein as saying this legislation is but a "starting place".

We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime. - Mary Ann Carlson

Gun violence won't be cured by one set of laws. It will require years of partial measures that will gradually tighten the requirements for gun ownership, and incrementally change expectations about the firepower that should be available to ordinary citizens. - New York Times

Banning guns is an idea whose time has come. - Joseph Biden

I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people. - Michael Bloomberg

I don't think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun. But I think it's a loser political issue. - James Carville

We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns [to ban.] - Jose Cerda

We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases. - William L. Clay

If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees. - Bill Clinton

If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns... Richard Daley

You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state. - Michael Dukakis

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." - Barbara Fass

The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves. - Dianne Feinstein

If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here. - Dianne Feinstein

In fact, only police, soldiers and, maybe, licensed target ranges should have handguns. No one else needs one. - Michael Gartner

And nobody is talking about taking guns away from hunters or sportsmen or banning all guns. Nobody is talking about that. - Al Gore :lamo

I think that we should ban so-called junk guns. I think we should ban assault weapons like the weapons used here [in Fort Worth], yes. I think that the kinds of weapons that have no legitimate use for hunting or the kind of weapon that a homeowner would use, I think they should be banned, yes, those kind of weapons." - Al Gore

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. - Heinrich Himmler

I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns. - Howard Metzenbaum

I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than the police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers... no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun. - Dean Morris

We are beyond the stage of restrictive licensing and uniform laws. We are at the point in time and terror when nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons. - Patrick V. Murphy

I'm consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. - Barrack Obama

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers lobby. - Barrack Obama

Forget what our forefathers said. - Dominick Potifrone

To hell with the constitution...- Mike Roos

Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. - Charles Schumer

...the only people who use them [so-called assault weapons] are mass murderers... - Charles Schumer

The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take step at a time and go for limited access first. - Joyner Sims

If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! - Henry A. Waxman

The right wing has decided that we do indeed need more authoritarian government. They think all people should loose liberty to feel safe.

Snowden was dumb enough to believe in the constitution, but the right wing doesnt.

If they believe privacy isnt important no one will care when they say guns are important.

Duplicity kills freedom.
 
Just minutes ago somebody equated registration with confiscation - a wonderful example of an outright lie and perversion fueled by paranoia and fear.

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
 
The right wing has decided that we do indeed need more authoritarian government. They think all people should loose liberty to feel safe.

Snowden was dumb enough to believe in the constitution, but the right wing doesnt.

If they believe privacy isnt important no one will care when they say guns are important.

Duplicity kills freedom.


The whole Snowden thing is despicable. He is a hero, the government is the one committing treason.
 
The whole Snowden thing is despicable. He is a hero, the government is the one committing treason.

I agree, but if the so called liberty lovers dont stop defending authoritarian laws we will lose the one they claim to love.

If the government can tap your phone and cameras with no warrent they can take your gun, and they will.

It comes down to this. You dont want me to be free I will make sure your a slave too.

No gay marriage and yes to spying means yes to gun confiscation.

You take my liberty I vote to take yours.
 
I agree, but if the so called liberty lovers dont stop defending authoritarian laws we will lose the one they claim to love.

If the government can tap your phone and cameras with no warrent they can take your gun, and they will.

It comes down to this. You dont want me to be free I will make sure your a slave too.

No gay marriage and yes to spying means yes to gun confiscation.

You take my liberty I vote to take yours.

All of this comes back to one idea, the idea that the constitution is subject to contemporary jurisprudence.
 
The right wing has decided that we do indeed need more authoritarian government. They think all people should loose liberty to feel safe.

Actually the patriot act extension (it was supposed to be temporary) was completely bipartisan. How quickly they forget the 74-8 vote that renewed it.

Snowden was dumb enough to believe in the constitution, but the right wing doesnt.

The Democrats control the Senate and presidency, but somehow this is the "rights" fault? Partisan hackery at it's finest.

If they believe privacy isnt important no one will care when they say guns are important.

Duplicity kills freedom.

Wow, just wow. This is as bad as the blame Obama, nonsense.
 
Actually the patriot act extension (it was supposed to be temporary) was completely bipartisan. How quickly they forget the 74-8 vote that renewed it.



The Democrats control the Senate and presidency, but somehow this is the "rights" fault? Partisan hackery at it's finest.



Wow, just wow. This is as bad as the blame Obama, nonsense.

The left doesnt trumped liberty and claim Marxist socialist at every turn. We already know the left agenda. Equality for minorities and they dont like guns. They also want oversight into corporate wrong doing.

The right seems to be against liberty when the left want it. They want religion in politics and to legislate their religion into law.

In essence the fringe right and left neither want liberty. As the fringes grow liberty dies.

This place is full of the fringe right.
 
The left doesnt trumped liberty and claim Marxist socialist at every turn. We already know the left agenda. Equality for minorities and they dont like guns. They also want oversight into corporate wrong doing.

The right seems to be against liberty when the left want it. They want religion in politics and to legislate their religion into law.

In essence the fringe right and left neither want liberty. As the fringes grow liberty dies.

This place is full of the fringe right.
Yeah...this dang current rightie administration is just reprehensible...
 
You have failed to take issue with anything I said simply attacking it saying it comes from emotion and ignorance and dishonesty. You made the claims. You made the allegations against me. Lets see your evidence.
I accept your concession of the point, that you cannot - and that you know you cannot- prove that everyting you said is true, and not based on emotion, ignorance and.or dishonesty.
When you feel you can step up to the plate and prove all of your assertions, please let us know -- otherwise you simply provide support for the previously stated premise.
Please continue to do so at your leisure.
 
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