The benevolence of gun control, were not after your guns.

[American]

 

[Lukas105]

The Obama administration will not drop its pursuit of tougher gun laws, Vice President Joe Biden vowed Tuesday, warning lawmakers who opposed earlier gun legislation of political hell to pay.

“The country has changed,” Biden, the administration’s point person on gun control, said at an event at the White House. “You will pay a political price for not getting engaged with dealing with gun safety.”

Biden cited a “fundamental change in the political calculus” on guns, in which pro-gun control voters have mobilized, and will look to exact revenge against opposing lawmakers on Election Day.

“Look at those who voted no, and look at the pool results in their states immediately after they voted no,” he said

Biden: White House has not 'given up' on gun control - NBC Politics

I collected these quotes:

"People who own guns are essentially a "sickness on our souls" that must be "cleansed. ... Cleansing a sickness from our souls doesn't come easy. It's gruesome..." - John Morse,

Anti-gun Senator Mike Johnson (D-Denver) is quoted herein as saying this legislation is but a "starting place".

We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime. - Mary Ann Carlson

Gun violence won't be cured by one set of laws. It will require years of partial measures that will gradually tighten the requirements for gun ownership, and incrementally change expectations about the firepower that should be available to ordinary citizens. - New York Times

Banning guns is an idea whose time has come. - Joseph Biden

I don't know why people carry guns. Guns kill people. - Michael Bloomberg

I don't think there is a Second Amendment right to own a gun. But I think it's a loser political issue. - James Carville

We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns [to ban.] - Jose Cerda

We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases. - William L. Clay

If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees. - Bill Clinton

If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns... Richard Daley

You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state. - Michael Dukakis

I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." - Barbara Fass

The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves. - Dianne Feinstein

If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here. - Dianne Feinstein

In fact, only police, soldiers and, maybe, licensed target ranges should have handguns. No one else needs one. - Michael Gartner

And nobody is talking about taking guns away from hunters or sportsmen or banning all guns. Nobody is talking about that. - Al Gore :lamo

I think that we should ban so-called junk guns. I think we should ban assault weapons like the weapons used here [in Fort Worth], yes. I think that the kinds of weapons that have no legitimate use for hunting or the kind of weapon that a homeowner would use, I think they should be banned, yes, those kind of weapons." - Al Gore

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. - Heinrich Himmler

I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns. - Howard Metzenbaum

I am one who believes that as a first step the U.S. should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than the police and security officers, of all handguns, pistols and revolvers... no one should have a right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun. - Dean Morris

We are beyond the stage of restrictive licensing and uniform laws. We are at the point in time and terror when nothing short of a strong uniform policy of domestic disarmament will alleviate the danger which is crystal clear and perilously present. Let us take the guns away from the people. Exemptions should be limited to the military, the police and those licensed for good and sufficient reasons. - Patrick V. Murphy

I'm consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. - Barrack Obama

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers lobby. - Barrack Obama

Forget what our forefathers said. - Dominick Potifrone

To hell with the constitution...- Mike Roos

Like flat earth fanatics, Second Amendment fanatics just don't get it. Facts are facts. The earth is not flat. And Constitutional law is Constitutional law. The Second Amendment is not absolute. It does not guarantee the mythical individual right to bear arms we will hear argued for today. - Charles Schumer

...the only people who use them [so-called assault weapons] are mass murderers... - Charles Schumer

The goal is an ultimate ban on all guns, but we also have to take step at a time and go for limited access first. - Joyner Sims

If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! - Henry A. Waxman

Death to the False King of hope and change.

 

[blaxshep]

Death to the False King of hope and change.

Here Here!

:cheers:

 

[BretJ]

If that is accurate, it is an incredible statement against gun control and for hammering the city governments that do not have the backbone to reduce it.

 

[blaxshep]

If that is accurate, it is an incredible statement against gun control and for hammering the city governments that do not have the backbone to reduce it.

It is a testament to the moronic idea of gun control.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

If that is accurate, it is an incredible statement against gun control and for hammering the city governments that do not have the backbone to reduce it.

Its a unsourced Facebook meme, ill check the FBI crime data to see if it can be supported.

Edit: Turns out it isn't accurate:

U.S. # of Murders: 14,750.
World Rank (by count): 8 of 207.

U.S. Murder Rate: 4.8 per 100k population
World Rank (by Rate): 103 of 207

Now, lets exclude the murders from:
Chicago: 430
Detroit: 344
DC: 108
New Orleans: 200

That leaves 13,667

Rank for U.S. Excluding 4 listed Cities:
By Count: 12 of 207
By Rate: 108 of 207

Sources: FBI Uniform Crime Report - Murders by City Data
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime - Murders by Country Data

*Not my own work, taken from a poster @ DefensiveCarry.org

 

[American]

Its a unsourced Facebook meme, ill check the FBI crime data to see if it can be supported.

Edit: Turns out it isn't accurate:

U.S. # of Murders: 14,750.
World Rank (by count): 8 of 207.

U.S. Murder Rate: 4.8 per 100k population
World Rank (by Rate): 103 of 207

Now, lets exclude the murders from:
Chicago: 430
Detroit: 344
DC: 108
New Orleans: 200

That leaves 13,667

Rank for U.S. Excluding 4 listed Cities:
By Count: 12 of 207
By Rate: 108 of 207

Sources: FBI Uniform Crime Report - Murders by City Data
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime - Murders by Country Data

*Not my own work, taken from a poster @ DefensiveCarry.org

How'd you calculate this?

 

[Spartacus FPV]

How'd you calculate this?

Not my own work, a shooter on defensivecarry.org who I trust did, using FBI crime data.

For example I know the DC murder # is accurate because I remember the local news story of their being on track for being under 100 homicides in a year, just barely overshot it.

 

[dnsmith]

Its a unsourced Facebook meme, ill check the FBI crime data to see if it can be supported.

Edit: Turns out it isn't accurate:

U.S. # of Murders: 14,750.
World Rank (by count): 8 of 207.

U.S. Murder Rate: 4.8 per 100k population
World Rank (by Rate): 103 of 207

Now, lets exclude the murders from:
Chicago: 430
Detroit: 344
DC: 108
New Orleans: 200

That leaves 13,667

Rank for U.S. Excluding 4 listed Cities:
By Count: 12 of 207
By Rate: 108 of 207

Sources: FBI Uniform Crime Report - Murders by City Data
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime - Murders by Country Data

*Not my own work, taken from a poster @ DefensiveCarry.org

I would question if those "murder by gun" were all murders as we understand the definition. Did they include any criminals shot and killed by victims of a crime? Did they include any suicides? Did they include any criminals shot by police? I ask this because the number looks suspiciously like a figure I recently saw which discussed death by gun numbers.

If that is the case, we should subtract from the total all suicides, criminals shot by victims or police and for reasons sake gang violence against gang to include drug criminals shooting drug criminals. The statistics I remember cut the actual "murder" number down to fewer than 1,000 and very much in line with most European countries.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I would question if those "murder by gun" were all murders as we understand the definition. Did they include any criminals shot and killed by victims of a crime? Did they include any suicides? Did they include any criminals shot by police? I ask this because the number looks suspiciously like a figure I recently saw which discussed death by gun numbers.

If that is the case, we should subtract from the total all suicides, criminals shot by victims or police and for reasons sake gang violence against gang to include drug criminals shooting drug criminals. The statistics I remember cut the actual "murder" number down to fewer than 1,000 and very much in line with most European countries.

No it doesn't include suicides, else the # would be 30K

 

[tererun]

Its a unsourced Facebook meme, ill check the FBI crime data to see if it can be supported.

Edit: Turns out it isn't accurate:

U.S. # of Murders: 14,750.
World Rank (by count): 8 of 207.

U.S. Murder Rate: 4.8 per 100k population
World Rank (by Rate): 103 of 207

Now, lets exclude the murders from:
Chicago: 430
Detroit: 344
DC: 108
New Orleans: 200

That leaves 13,667

Rank for U.S. Excluding 4 listed Cities:
By Count: 12 of 207
By Rate: 108 of 207

Sources: FBI Uniform Crime Report - Murders by City Data
United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime - Murders by Country Data

*Not my own work, taken from a poster @ DefensiveCarry.org

Just as a point, I have seen some of these stats of homicide rates before and though there is a correlation that makes it seem that gun crimes rise in gun controlled areas, there also seems to be the same correlation that gun crime rises in urban areas with high populations. The densest populations tend to be in blue states where gun control is more present, or in cities where gun control may differ from the rural areas of a state. The problem with correlation is it does not = causation. My personal opinion would be it is better interpreted that ramming a bunch of people in a small area leads to more violence and the use of guns is just a convenience. Having lived in both rural and urban areas I have to say rural people are much more laid back and easy going. Time and personal space often have a calming effect on people and may very well reduce the immediate urge to shoot someone in the face.

 

[Black Dog]

No it doesn't include suicides, else the # would be 30K

Allot of cities were left out?

Flint Michigan, Baltimore, Birmingham, Oakland, Los Angeles I mean quite a few of em? I mean Oakland had 131 murders last year.

 

[Black Dog]

Just as a point, I have seen some of these stats of homicide rates before and though there is a correlation that makes it seem that gun crimes rise in gun controlled areas, there also seems to be the same correlation that gun crime rises in urban areas with high populations. The densest populations tend to be in blue states where gun control is more present, or in cities where gun control may differ from the rural areas of a state. The problem with correlation is it does not = causation. My personal opinion would be it is better interpreted that ramming a bunch of people in a small area leads to more violence and the use of guns is just a convenience. Having lived in both rural and urban areas I have to say rural people are much more laid back and easy going. Time and personal space often have a calming effect on people and may very well reduce the immediate urge to shoot someone in the face.

High populations of minorities. Most of these are minority on minority crime. Yes your observations are accurate.

 

[Federalist]

It amuses me how anti-2nd amendment loons can sit there and say no one wants to take your guns when politicians and other anti-2nd amendment loons say **** like that they want to ban this or that.Especially when they used to argue(some still do argue) that the second amendment is a collective right, not an individual right and therefore the government can severely restrict individuals right to keep and bear arms.

They will continue to say, "Who can't own a gun?", while they incrementally impose restriction after restriction. Finally, you will only be allowed to own a single shot, .17 cal rifle. "But we support the 2nd amendment. You CAN own a gun."

Scumbag control-freaks.

 

[Black Dog]

Ok yea that meme is wrong. If you are going to use inner city states to prove anything you have to use at least the top 10, lol.

 

[humbolt]

They will continue to say, "Who can't own a gun?", while they incrementally impose restriction after restriction. Finally, you will only be allowed to own a single shot, .17 cal rifle. "But we support the 2nd amendment. You CAN own a gun."

Scumbag control-freaks.

And who in their right mind would believe that a federal registry wouldn't be created after the NSA revelations?

 

[DAKitty]

There will be no new laws on anything to do with gun control. The gun lobby and gun culture has so decisevely won this battle that it would take a Sandy Hook or Aurora every month for two years to crack their armor.

This is bolstered by the fact that the anti-gun crowd can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[haymarket]

This is bolstered by the fact that the anti-gun crowd can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

Why is it necessary to divide everyone into two opposite camps? There are many more Americans - not on either extreme - who support people having firearms but who also support things like registrations and background checks and limits on what weapons can be considered as acceptable.

 

[DAKitty]

Why is it necessary to divide everyone into two opposite camps? There are many more Americans - not on either extreme - who support people having firearms but who also support things like registrations and background checks and limits on what weapons can be considered as acceptable.

Your response does not in any way negate what I said.

Why did the post-Newtown efforts to enact additional gun control fail, and why will they, as you say, continue to fail?
Because the anti-gun crowd can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[Spartacus FPV]

Why is it necessary to divide everyone into two opposite camps? There are many more Americans - not on either extreme - who support people having firearms but who also support things like registrations and background checks and limits on what weapons can be considered as acceptable.

Registration (then confiscation) and gun bans are the extreme anti-gun positions, but of course since you're anti-2nd amendment you don't like people pointing out the distinction between the likes of you and pro-2nd Amendment patriots.

 

[DAKitty]

Registration (then confiscation) and gun bans are the extreme anti-gun positions, but of course since you're anti-2nd amendment you don't like people pointing out the distinction between the likes of you and pro-2nd Amendment patriots.

'Tis true - registration does nothing to prevent gun-related crime because it is impossible for it to do so.
It serves only to supply an answer when the government asks "So... who out there has a gun?"

 

[haymarket]

Why did the post-Newtown efforts to enact additional gun control fail, and why will they, as you say, continue to fail?

Because the gun lobby and their sycophants and toadies have so successfully hijacked using lies, distortion, fear, paranoia and outright demagoguery to win the issue that it makes legislation impossible in a Mad Hatter environment.

 

[DAKitty]

Because the gun lobby and their sycophants and toadies have so successfully hijacked using lies, distortion, fear, paranoia and outright demagoguery to win the issue that it makes legislation impossible in a Mad Hatter environment.

Aha.
Further evidence that the pro gun-control side cannot argue from anything other than emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
Thank you.

 

[blaxshep]

Because the gun lobby and their sycophants and toadies have so successfully hijacked using lies, distortion, fear, paranoia and outright demagoguery to win the issue that it makes legislation impossible in a Mad Hatter environment.

Funny how the anti-gun is the only ones that fit your description. People fighting to take away rights are the bad guys, get a clue.

 

[haymarket]

Registration (then confiscation)

Registration is one thing. Confiscation is a very very different thing.

Try again and this time stick to facts.