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The bandits plundered 58 tons of loot

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Russian Soldiers Send Home 58 Tons of Looted Items from Ukraine


War can be good for you if you don't die. You get to steal stuff. So is all this going straight to Moscow? No, most of it seems to be going to cities and towns in the periphery, another sign that most of the soldiers are not from the wealthier northwestern Russia. The sons of Moscow and St. Petersburg are not sent to Ukraine.
 
Would have been far less hassle if those Russian soldiers had just gone to San Francisco. Looting is no problem there.
 
Would have been far less hassle if those Russian soldiers had just gone to San Francisco. Looting is no problem there.
I am generally very amused by the current propaganda, which does not hesitate to write all this nonsense as "Russians are going to rape Ukrainian refrigerators.".. that is, people don't even try to think critically about stealing all these TVs, microwaves, toasters... and how to take them out to an ordinary soldier? Will someone set up a whole export infrastructure for him? Or will he tie a refrigerator to the tank and ride with it until the end of the war?
And these stories are about thousands of raped grandmothers and children... they have long been classics of military propaganda... unfortunately, all the media of the world are guilty of this.
The usual dehumanization of Russians. This is not the first time... and of course, this is not the last time we see it. Housewives will not perceive the war in a different way if they do not broadcast all these "non-fictional stories that actually did not exist"
 
Please don’t misunderstand my post as a defense of Russia in any way, shape, or form regarding its actions in the Ukraine. Russian soldiers are likely engaging in war crimes, and sooner or later there will be an accounting for those non-fictional mass graves that keep turning up, as their should be.
 
Please don’t misunderstand my post as a defense of Russia
Your post was an evil irony, where Russia was a name that could be replaced with any other... I understand perfectly well that you were making fun of the American present.

Russian soldiers are likely engaging in war crimes,
Naturally, as in any war, any soldiers do it... it is not always possible to distinguish civilians, etc., there are actions due to emotions, soldiers become brothers to each other.

non-fictional mass graves that keep turning up, as their should be
I strongly doubt that these non-fictional stories took place, I was near Kharkov and in Kherson and there were no similar plots anywhere, in honor of which they were supposed to appear in the Kiev region, a very good question.
However, the most important thing is to judge Russian soldiers, Russia must first lose the war, which is impossible for a number of reasons.
First of all, the defeat of the Ukrainian troops is underway.
But the most important thing, even if something out of the ordinary happens, is to change the situation... there will be no winners over Russia. The Kremlin has put everything on winning this war, so they are ready for the most radical measures... again, after that there will be no one to judge the Russian soldiers, that is, those who survive will not be up to this lyric.
 
Your post was an evil irony, where Russia was a name that could be replaced with any other... I understand perfectly well that you were making fun of the American present.
Actually, I was making fun of American liberals and their negligent tolerance for crime.

Naturally, as in any war, any soldiers do it... it is not always possible to distinguish civilians, etc., there are actions due to emotions, soldiers become brothers to each other.
Naturally, no, soldiers should not be executing hundreds of civilians and dumping their bodies into hastily dug ditches. Those are warm crimes, and we can only hope those responsible are ultimately held to account.

I strongly doubt that these non-fictional stories took place, I was near Kharkov and in Kherson and there were no similar plots anywhere, in honor of which they were supposed to appear in the Kiev region, a very good question.
Make up your mind. First you claim it's no problem because it's common that "soldiers do it" and now you doubt that it ever happened. Which is it?


However, the most important thing is to judge Russian soldiers, Russia must first lose the war, which is impossible for a number of reasons.
You've already lost the war; you just don't know it, yet. It will take generations for Russia to recover from the reputational damage it's inflected on itself. Russia is well on its way to becoming a pariah state much like North Korea.

The Ukraine will likely survive and ultimately join NATO, along with the new members Russia has driven to NATO, Sweden and Finland. And wasn't expanding NATO membership the issue in the first place?


The Ukraine will survive. Their troops on the ground are much more committed than are Russia's.
 
Actually, I was making fun of American liberals and their negligent tolerance for crime.
That's how I understood you.

Naturally, no, soldiers should not be executing hundreds of civilians and dumping their bodies into hastily dug ditches. Those are warm crimes, and we can only hope those responsible are ultimately held to account.

Make up your mind. First you claim it's no problem because it's common that "soldiers do it" and now you doubt that it ever happened. Which is it?
I'm afraid you misunderstood me. Or maybe I was inaccurate. After all, my knowledge of English is far from ideal.
The peculiarity of this war is that the Ukrainian army does not give us battles in the field... you can understand them, they have no chance in the field. The overwhelming number of battles are taking place in urban areas.
I do not know if you participated in the fighting, but you can ask American veterans how it happens... you very rarely see the enemy in such battles, this is not a computer game, this is not a movie where a person shoots at another person through a sight, in the vast majority of cases, you shoot in the direction of the enemy, in a position, in a building, you don't see the enemy himself, your task is to block him there and tie him to the position, and there they will be covered by artillery, tanks, mortars. And civilians can and will die in such battles, and the proud Ukrainian army does not allow civilians to evacuate from their homes when we approach, sincerely believing that they will hide behind civilians, and we will not shoot back, no, it does not work that way.
Уes, civilians are dying, but it makes no sense for us to pull their bodies off for burial in one grave, actually we don't do this at all, civilians are buried by their relatives who won't drag them to a mass grave, I saw people in Mariupol burying people in the courtyards of houses, it's sad.
I understand that you were talking about mass graves in the Kiev region, but I don't believe that ours arranged them, it all looks like a staging. Grave graves don't make sense, we don't deny that civilians are dying, but why should we drag their bodies to a mass grave. Even if the victim has no relatives, his burial is handled by the local government or public utilities.
You've already lost the war
I have already spoken about this, so I don't think it's necessary to repeat it.
Unless I add that nothing new is happening, 80 years ago the USSR attacked Finland and the young Soviet state also began to be excluded from everywhere, from the League of Nations, etc. We know what it led to. Only then the USSR did not have a powerful China at its side, and today Russia is being directly pushed into an alliance with the Chinese... is this a wise decision? It's a good question.

Of course, this is not a war for the sake of Ukraine and the dispute is about much bigger issues... but it is not the soldiers' business to doubt the chosen path.
 
Please don’t misunderstand my post as a defense of Russia in any way, shape, or form regarding its actions in the Ukraine.


Even the devil is entitled a defense. I see nothing wrong in affording the generic Russian one. I don't think you withholding the generic Russian a fair hearing is taking the moral high ground.




Russian soldiers are likely engaging in war crimes, and sooner or later there will be an accounting for those non-fictional mass graves that keep turning up, as their should be.


I can assure you the ethnic Russian minorities in eastern and southern Ukraine have their own grievances to share. Keep in mind this conflict goes as far back as 2014. The Kyiv government itself conducted its own ATO anti terrorist operation to suppress secessionist movements. They didn't do it with flowers. It was with soldiers, tanks and artillery.

Even as we speak ethnic Russians in areas under Ukrainian government control are being rounded up for treason. I hope you are also giving them a hearing. Treason charges usually are an excuse to visit havoc on a broader swathe of population than just the actual militants
 
No, Russia is not entitled to a fair hearing as no such process is possible between nations. We need to judge Russia based on the evidence we have, and that evidence asserts two things: 1) Russia's invasion of Ukraine was entirely unjustified and 2) war crimes are being committed on the ground.
 
Naturally, as in any war, any soldiers do it... it is not always possible to distinguish civilians, etc., there are actions due to emotions, soldiers become brothers to each other.

Executing hundreds of civilians is obviously a Russian military trait, as is shelling inhabited civilian areas.
 
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