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The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

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I saw this thread earlier, and was not going to fuel it further, but this xkcd comic I happened across was too good to ignore:


moon_landing.jpg
 

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Maybe you should find those videos in the links I posted, and look at them. There were usually two cameras on the flags. look at the other angle.
I'll take a look for it in a few days when I have time but I don't remember having seen the Apollo 15 flag footage in question from any other angle. Are you sure it's there? If you are, please post it.

The questions and this topic has been discussed before.

Scott. Do you have any new evidence that the moon landing was faked? Why rehash the same old questions / statements?
The proved the hoax before and they prove it now.

Scott...

You've been immortalized in "Debunk a CosMoron."

Debunking The Apollo Moon Hoax: The Apollo 15 flag
That's just sophistry.

I dealt with this issue on the other thread.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/234139-more-lies-nasa-10.html#post1065037250
 

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I'll take a look for it in a few days when I have time but I don't remember having seen the Apollo 15 flag footage in question from any other angle. Are you sure it's there? If you are, please post it.


The proved the hoax before and they prove it now.


That's just sophistry.

I dealt with this issue on the other thread.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/234139-more-lies-nasa-10.html#post1065037250

I didn't see footage for Apollo 15's flag looking for it, but here is 17's:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1182035.mpg
 

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I'll take a look for it in a few days when I have time but I don't remember having seen the Apollo 15 flag footage in question from any other angle. Are you sure it's there? If you are, please post it.


The proved the hoax before and they prove it now.


That's just sophistry.

I dealt with this issue on the other thread.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/conspiracy-theories/234139-more-lies-nasa-10.html#post1065037250

They did not prove it and you did not deal with anything. What about the huge vacuum chamber? What about the dust? Please stop using the word sophistry, you have no idea what it means.
 

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Has he explained this:

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v_1672206.mpg

Can you imagine the monumental task of building a vacuum chamber large enough to film this scene in?
It might have been a paper hammer and a lead feather. Having been filmed in a vacuum is not the only plausible scenario.


If Apollo 11 didn't put a retroflector on the moon, the Russians would have pointed that out!
You're assuming that the press was telling us the truth about what was happening. What happens behind the scenes may be very different from what we're told.

Check this out.
The Cold War, 1940-1989 - Noam Chomsky

I've posted this before.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+media

You people don't respond to it. You just ignore it and keep on assuming that the press tells us the truth.


The debris shoots nearly strait out, the dust settles and falls. An atmosphere would have left clouds of dust for several minutes.

Maybe they used washed large-grained sand that wouldn't form a cloud.

MoonFaker - Project Sandbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc


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Who put the reflector on the Moon in 1969?
 

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It might have been a paper hammer and a lead feather. Having been filmed in a vacuum is not the only plausible scenario.
Then the feather would have hit the ground first.
 

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It might have been a paper hammer and a lead feather. Having been filmed in a vacuum is not the only plausible scenario.



You're assuming that the press was telling us the truth about what was happening. What happens behind the scenes may be very different from what we're told.

Check this out.
The Cold War, 1940-1989 - Noam Chomsky

I've posted this before.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+media

You people don't respond to it. You just ignore it and keep on assuming that the press tells us the truth.




Maybe they used washed large-grained sand that wouldn't form a cloud.

MoonFaker - Project Sandbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc

The press always lies? Always? All the time? Washed large grained sand? You must be trolling, you cannot be this stupid.
 

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The press always lies? Always? All the time? Washed large grained sand? You must be trolling, you cannot be this stupid.

It is not worth the time to discuss topics when people use :

It might have...
Your assuming ...
You people don't respond to...
Maybe they used...

imo, it indicates the person may belief something but cannot defend what they believe in any rational manner.


One of Scott's response to me regarding the radiation belt was to state how do I know my source is not some govt. person, therefore the sources is suspect in his mind. He also then gave himself an out by stating something along the lines he is not sure or is on the fence regarding the radiation belt.

I asked Scott, if there is anything new to back up the faked claim. It seems he wants to rehash old topics that were shown to be false long ago.

Some people are lost causes.
 

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It is not worth the time to discuss topics when people use :

It might have...
Your assuming ...
You people don't respond to...
Maybe they used...

imo, it indicates the person may belief something but cannot defend what they believe in any rational manner.


One of Scott's response to me regarding the radiation belt was to state how do I know my source is not some govt. person, therefore the sources is suspect in his mind. He also then gave himself an out by stating something along the lines he is not sure or is on the fence regarding the radiation belt.

I asked Scott, if there is anything new to back up the faked claim. It seems he wants to rehash old topics that were shown to be false long ago.

Some people are lost causes.
Is he even a person?

Sounds like a broken record.
 

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You're not addressing the right flag anomaly. The one I cited can be seen at the 2:35 time mark of this video.

In the video you can see the flag moving back and forth in a very rigid manner and that seems to increase when someone passes the flag. One thing is that the image is really grimy and the flag was moving slightly back and forth before the astronaut crossed, and it seemed like that only increased. The camera was also re-positioned slightly at different times and the angle of sight really does influence how much motion is apparent on a grimy 2D image. When the astronaut was placing the flag he moved the flag back and forth and this motion would have continued for a while because there is almost no atmosphere to slow the motion. This may be due to the grimy image hiding motion.

Also, the camera was very close to the flag and the astronaut may have brushed the flag with his suit arm. These suits are very bulky and he had his arms sticking out. Arms are about 3 feet long and depending on how far his left arm was sticking out he could have brushed the flag.
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Reflectors on the moon are not proof that there were people on the moon as they could have been put there by unmanned robotic craft.

Robotics was in its infancy back then. The amount of robotics required to get a craft to the Moon, have it safety shoot out the reflector, and have the reflector safely placed in the Moon is something we can do today but not back then.

As you can see from the image below the robots of the 1960s were very simple. It wasn't until computers that we started getting much better robotics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardiman

Here is a computer from the 1960s.
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That thing still had spark plugs. It is orders of magnitude weaker than a modern cell phone.
 

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It might have been a paper hammer and a lead feather. Having been filmed in a vacuum is not the only plausible scenario.



You're assuming that the press was telling us the truth about what was happening. What happens behind the scenes may be very different from what we're told.

Check this out.
The Cold War, 1940-1989 - Noam Chomsky

I've posted this before.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chomsky+media

You people don't respond to it. You just ignore it and keep on assuming that the press tells us the truth.




Maybe they used washed large-grained sand that wouldn't form a cloud.

MoonFaker - Project Sandbox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S30XLds5gc


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One question Scott.

Why, if the USA faked the Moon Landings, have the USSR/Russia, China and other less then friendly enemies of the United States not proven it was fake?
 

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One question Scott.

Why, if the USA faked the Moon Landings, have the USSR/Russia, China and other less then friendly enemies of the United States not proven it was fake?

He'll say that Russia had a huge famine going on and that we supplied them with billions of dollars of wheat, like Stalin cared about his people and that China did not have the technology or that trading rights were an issue.

What I want to know is how we got the moon rocks, how and why scientists from all over the world agree that we went there and that the rocks are from the moon, the reflector that is there, how Mythbusters confirmed that the videos can be 100% true, etc.
 

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I believe the evidence that the Apollo Moon missions were real
but, the idea that the US government could have or might have or would have faked the Moon missions is not ridiculous nor nonsense, etc.
The US needed to win the space race. The US needed to win the Cold War. We could not, would not, allow the USSR to win.
I can see the US government misleading, lying to and faking to achieve their goal.
Yet, I think we have enough evidence to show the Apollo moon missions were real.

And yet we won by not having to fake it...
 

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He'll say that Russia had a huge famine going on and that we supplied them with billions of dollars of wheat, like Stalin cared about his people and that China did not have the technology or that trading rights were an issue.

What I want to know is how we got the moon rocks, how and why scientists from all over the world agree that we went there and that the rocks are from the moon, the reflector that is there, how Mythbusters confirmed that the videos can be 100% true, etc.

Stalin was dead.
 

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I just wanted to point that out ;)

I understand... I was laughing at myself there, just to be clear. I know that Stalin died in '53 but I said it anyway. :lol:
 

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Who put the reflector on the Moon in 1969?
I already addressed this.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-22.html#post1065058238


Then the feather would have hit the ground first.
Couldn't the weights be manipulated until they got it perfect?


The press always lies? Always? All the time? Washed large grained sand? You must be trolling, you cannot be this stupid.
Here's some stuff on the media you should check out.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio - Page 37


It seems he wants to rehash old topics that were shown to be false long ago.
I've never seen them shown to be false. Please link to where they were shown to be false.

The pro-Apollo posters here have the attitude that they showed the anomalies to be false here.
Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

The viewers can decide for themselves if they really showed them to be false.


When the astronaut was placing the flag he moved the flag back and forth and this motion would have continued for a while because there is almost no atmosphere to slow the motion.

Anyone who watches the video will see that the flag was not moving when the astronaut was starting to get near it.
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube


Robotics was in its infancy back then. The amount of robotics required to get a craft to the Moon, have it safety shoot out the reflector, and have the reflector safely placed in the Moon is something we can do today but not back then.

It's possible the the Surveyor program was faked too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

If it wasn't faked, evidently they had that technology back then.


Why, if the USA faked the Moon Landings, have the USSR/Russia, China and other less then friendly enemies of the United States not proven it was fake?
I addressed this in post #233.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-24.html#post1065059914

There are plausible scenarios. Our not knowing exactly which one is the right one doesn't make the anomalies go away.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).

Proponents of the Apollo hoax suggest that the Soviet Union, and latterly Russia, and the United States were allied in the exploration of space, during the Cold war and after. The United States and the former Soviet Union today routinely engage in cooperative space ventures, as do many other nations that are popularly believed to be enemies. However, this suggestion is challenged by the impression of intense international competition that was under way during the Cold War and is not supported by the accounts of participants on either side of the Iron Curtain. Many argue that the fact that the Soviet Union and other Communist bloc countries, eager to discredit the United States, have not produced any contrary evidence to be the single most significant argument against such a hoax. Soviet involvement might also implausibly multiply the scale of the conspiracy, to include hundreds of thousands of conspirators of uncertain loyalty.
 

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I already addressed this.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-22.html#post1065058238



Couldn't the weights be manipulated until they got it perfect?



Here's some stuff on the media you should check out.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio - Page 37



I've never seen them shown to be false. Please link to where they were shown to be false.

The pro-Apollo posters here have the attitude that they showed the anomalies to be false here.
Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

The viewers can decide for themselves if they really showed them to be false.




Anyone who watches the video will see that the flag was not moving when the astronaut was starting to get near it.
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube




It's possible the the Surveyor program was faked too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

If it wasn't faked, evidently they had that technology back then.



I addressed this in post #233.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-24.html#post1065059914

There are plausible scenarios. Our not knowing exactly which one is the right one doesn't make the anomalies go away.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).

Proponents of the Apollo hoax suggest that the Soviet Union, and latterly Russia, and the United States were allied in the exploration of space, during the Cold war and after. The United States and the former Soviet Union today routinely engage in cooperative space ventures, as do many other nations that are popularly believed to be enemies. However, this suggestion is challenged by the impression of intense international competition that was under way during the Cold War and is not supported by the accounts of participants on either side of the Iron Curtain. Many argue that the fact that the Soviet Union and other Communist bloc countries, eager to discredit the United States, have not produced any contrary evidence to be the single most significant argument against such a hoax. Soviet involvement might also implausibly multiply the scale of the conspiracy, to include hundreds of thousands of conspirators of uncertain loyalty.

Lord take me now!
 

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I already addressed this.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-22.html#post1065058238

Couldn't the weights be manipulated until they got it perfect?

Here's some stuff on the media you should check out.
The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio - Page 37

I've never seen them shown to be false. Please link to where they were shown to be false.

The pro-Apollo posters here have the attitude that they showed the anomalies to be false here.
Air caused the flag to move so it was obviously in a studio.

The viewers can decide for themselves if they really showed them to be false.

Anyone who watches the video will see that the flag was not moving when the astronaut was starting to get near it.
Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings. - YouTube

It's possible the the Surveyor program was faked too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program

If it wasn't faked, evidently they had that technology back then.

I addressed this in post #233.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...ions-were-faked-studio-24.html#post1065059914

There are plausible scenarios. Our not knowing exactly which one is the right one doesn't make the anomalies go away.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
-------------------------------
The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).

Proponents of the Apollo hoax suggest that the Soviet Union, and latterly Russia, and the United States were allied in the exploration of space, during the Cold war and after. The United States and the former Soviet Union today routinely engage in cooperative space ventures, as do many other nations that are popularly believed to be enemies. However, this suggestion is challenged by the impression of intense international competition that was under way during the Cold War and is not supported by the accounts of participants on either side of the Iron Curtain. Many argue that the fact that the Soviet Union and other Communist bloc countries, eager to discredit the United States, have not produced any contrary evidence to be the single most significant argument against such a hoax. Soviet involvement might also implausibly multiply the scale of the conspiracy, to include hundreds of thousands of conspirators of uncertain loyalty.

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