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upSo explain to me how married, monogamous women are immune to ectopic pregnancies?
So doe the law determine what is right and wrong in your view?Here's the real question, is abortion nothing more than laws created by some people's religious beliefs? Is that the road america is choosing to pursue? Abortion is not murder according to the law that the party of law and order obviously disagrees, so that to me means they are basing their idea of murder on religious beliefs.
So, what is the issue with abortion and are we now passing laws on religious beliefs?
You just made it a three way cat fight.The problem with abortion is that two sides are in a cat fight and everyone's losing. To my thinking, the right and left should get together to reduce the number of abortions rather than fighting about whether it's legal our illegal. They should go hand-in-hand and talk about abstinence on the right, birth control on the left, and both sides should stress about how no means no and it's okay not to have sex. Then we'd have fewer abortions.
That's a chicken and egg question. Did priests develop morality or did feelings of moral outrage shape the priesthood? It is sufficient to say that every religion of which I am aware abhors abortion. So do the secular legal codes, many consdering it murder. Loopholes, backdoors, and blind eyes are just as common. Historically, it is closely associated with infanticide, likely because reasonable medical procedures did not exist. .Here's the real question, is abortion nothing more than laws created by some people's religious beliefs? Is that the road america is choosing to pursue?
That is currently true in USA. Historically speaking it would be false.Abortion is not murder according to the law that the party of law and order obviously disagrees
Poor logic. You began with a conclusion and seek to justify it.so that to me means they are basing their idea of murder on religious beliefs.
First, stop treating it as a religious issue because doing so is inappropriate. True, many religions and sects teach that it is sinful, but it is also a moral/ethical issue entirely apart from religion.So, what is the issue with abortion and are we now passing laws on religious beliefs?
Ok, what then is the issue with abortion?I'm not. Abortion is not a religious issue
So an abortion is worse than what putin is doing in ukraine killing innocent folks? Again, if it is killing or murder as some like to say, why are doctors not charged with the crime of intentional murder?Because the unborn is a direct killing of someone that can not be defended. It is the worst of the worst
I don't see these red state governors who have a hard on about abortion showing the same interest in ukraine where thousands of innocent folks are being killed.not religious at all------------------killing of humans is just wrong by any standards, unless in self-defense
You don't get to ask me a question until you answer mine.So doe the law determine what is right and wrong in your view?
You didn't seem to them this through.
Priests, morality? Maybe you should read about the history of some of the popes? You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth concerning religion. You say it isn't a religious issue then you say every religion abhors abortion. I wonder if the old testament abhorred child sacrifice? The church says, means zero to me.That's a chicken and egg question. Did priests develop morality or did feelings of moral outrage shape the priesthood? It is sufficient to say that every religion of which I am aware abhors abortion. So do the secular legal codes, many consdering it murder. Loopholes, backdoors, and blind eyes are just as common. Historically, it is closely associated with infanticide, likely because reasonable medical procedures did not exist. .
That is currently true in USA. Historically speaking it would be false.
Poor logic. You began with a conclusion and seek to justify it.
First, stop treating it as a religious issue because doing so is inappropriate. True, many religions and sects teach that it is sinful, but it is also a moral/ethical issue entirely apart from religion.
It is not a single issue. The stage of the pregnancy is also important. While the Roman church teaches that life--meaning personhood-- begins at conception, the church has few allies. A significant majority support measures within the first trimester. A similar majority opposes abortion of a viable fetus. The current laws which allow abortion on demand are considered too permissive, especially at later stages in the pregnancy.
Here's the real question, is abortion nothing more than laws created by some people's religious beliefs? Is that the road america is choosing to pursue? Abortion is not murder according to the law that the party of law and order obviously disagrees, so that to me means they are basing their idea of murder on religious beliefs.
So, what is the issue with abortion and are we now passing laws on religious beliefs?
It's all about political posturing and ginning up the base. They want to win elections. I am not sure this is the way to do it. They will surely alienate a subset of conservative women.This type of answer I do not understand the reasoning. The human race has been ****ing and killing each other for as long as we've existed. America is good at going into other countries and killing people in the name of ( fill in the blank ) for many years and yet abortion seems to set the religious rights nerves on end. It makes no sense.
I get it. You're anti-church so any moral issue is a failure by the church. Just be aware that is an alt-reality position.Priests, morality? Maybe you should read about the history of some of the popes?
It's the other way around. You are warping everything to your preconceptions.You are arguing out of both sides of your mouth concerning religion.
Correct.You say it isn't a religious issue then you say every religion abhors abortion.
In graphic detail.I wonder if the old testament abhorred child sacrifice?
On the contrary. You are clearly obsessed.The church says, means zero to me.
You did not exclude anyone, so why not say everyone should check their morals?I think some of the folks who think it's a moral issue, should check their own morals.
To sum up all your blah, blah, blah, abortion is legal unless of course you live in a red state whose legislature tends to be authoritative and make it a crime.I get it. You're anti-church so any moral issue is a failure by the church. Just be aware that is an alt-reality position.
It's the other way around. You are warping everything to your preconceptions.
Correct.
Religions collect social sensibilities. Abortion and infanticide are practices that society detests but tolerates.
To put it another way, religions reflect society.
In graphic detail.
On the contrary. You are clearly obsessed.
You did not exclude anyone, so why not say everyone should check their morals?
It's a moral issue because infanticide is a moral issue. When it becomes infanticide is fluid because few accept birth as a rational point of demarkation. It is a practical distinction not a rational one, hence our current laws.
I did not say the Catholic Church. You are generally anti-Christian, vehemently so.To sum up all your blah, blah, blah, abortion is legal unless of course you live in a red state whose legislature tends to be authoritative and make it a crime.
The last thing i'm obsessed about is the catholic church and everyone should check their morals.
I don't care what a person believes but when that person starts shoving their beliefs or pass laws based on their religious beliefs, yeah, I have a real problem with those 'christians'.I did not say the Catholic Church. You are generally anti-Christian, vehemently so.
There is a continuum between conception and birth. Somewhere in that continuum, we as a society believe that a fetus ceases to be only tissue and becomes a person, albeit a special type of person. The Catholic Church teaches that the correct point is at conception. Our laws currently hold it to be at birth. Public sentiment lies somewhere in the middle. No religion is involved.
He sounds like he is against the decidedly anti-Christian beliefs evangelical Protestants hold against women and their reproductives lives not against Christianity.I did not say the Catholic Church. You are generally anti-Christian, vehemently so.
We as a society do not believe that a fetus is a person. Evangelical Protestants and Catholics believe that. They constitute about 35% of the population. The rest of us believe a fetus becomes a separate human being, a person with legal rights at birth. US law has codified it. If religion isn't involved why do you keep accusing pro-choice advocates of being anti-Christian?There is a continuum between conception and birth. Somewhere in that continuum, we as a society believe that a fetus ceases to be only tissue and becomes a person, albeit a special type of person. The Catholic Church teaches that the correct point is at conception. Our laws currently hold it to be at birth. Public sentiment lies somewhere in the middle. No religion is involved.
Then you lump all Christians into that group.I don't care what a person believes but when that person starts shoving their beliefs or pass laws based on their religious beliefs, yeah, I have a real problem with those 'christians'.
That has not been correct is Roe v Wade, as you should know.Who cares what any church says about abortion, my governor and the governors of other red states trump religion and they decide when you can and can't get an abortion. Public sentiment does not want RvW overturned.
Except that they are Catholic, not Protestant. See also the comment on allowing yourself a prejudice.He sounds like he is against the decidedly anti-Christian beliefs evangelical Protestants hold against women and their reproductives lives not against Christianity.
moving on .....
I said that a majority of people believe that a viable fetus is a person, so let's make sure that is what we are discussing.We as a society do not believe that a fetus is a person.
As you say, they are a part of the majority, but they do not account for all of it.Evangelical Protestants and Catholics believe that. They constitute about 35% of the population.
Polling does not suggest that this is correct.The rest of us believe a fetus becomes a separate human being, a person with legal rights at birth.
Hence the debate to change the law.US law has codified it.
I didn't. I said one specific poster is consistently anti-Christian. I am sure that there are others.If religion isn't involved why do you keep accusing pro-choice advocates of being anti-Christian?
they should be chargedSo an abortion is worse than what putin is doing in ukraine killing innocent folks? Again, if it is killing or murder as some like to say, why are doctors not charged with the crime of intentional murder?
its murder and promotes promiscuitiyOk, what then is the issue with abortion?
its a real question