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The 99 % or 1%?

Are you in the 1% or 99%

  • 1%

    Votes: 8 17.4%
  • 99%

    Votes: 38 82.6%

  • Total voters
    46
Occam, I'm not affiliated with any political party.
 
Occam, I'm not affiliated with any political party.

My apologies... so your "philosophy" is libertarian but you don't support their party... got it. You're one of those neo-libertarians that popped up in 2009? Interesting. I've been observing libertarians for over a decade.

Tell me, who are the leading thinkers of the libertarian "philosophy"? I'm curious how much you actually know about the political moniker you cloak yourself in.
 
My apologies... so your "philosophy" is libertarian but you don't support their party... got it. You're one of those neo-libertarians that popped up in 2009? Interesting. I've been observing libertarians for over a decade.

Tell me, who are the leading thinkers of the libertarian "philosophy"? I'm curious how much you actually know about the political moniker you cloak yourself in.

And you speak for the 'others' - albeit - and interesting group of rejects and sluffers :D (kidding!)
 
The Occupy Wall Street movement is off target and have not one damn clue what they would get if they were taken seriously which I don't because they are a bunch of unwashed thieves, and druggies with no pride in themselves and they should be protesting Obama and the ones who pasted the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977 and continued to allow it loan money for housing people could not afford and Obama for his failed policies that wasted billions on failed programs.

I say clear them out and jail everyone who violates the law. They are Un-American.
 
Occam, I understand that most of my political opinions lean libertarian according to their platform. The rest of your post is irrelevant. I don't follow people...I follow beliefs.
 
The Occupy Wall Street movement is off target and have not one damn clue what they would get if they were taken seriously which I don't because they are a bunch of unwashed thieves, and druggies with no pride in themselves and they should be protesting Obama and the ones who pasted the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977 and continued to allow it loan money for housing people could not afford and Obama for his failed policies that wasted billions on failed programs.

I say clear them out and jail everyone who violates the law. They are Un-American.

Is there anything in this post that isn't pure opinion? By "pasted", did you mean passed? Yikes!

As for protesting Obama... It seems to me that they are protesting any and all policies that have led to the current state of affairs, and that includes Obama and his Wall St heavy appointees. That Obama has tried to co-opt the spirit of the movement for political jockeying is no surprise in the run up to an election cycle... the question is, right or left... who is naive or ignorant enough to buy into that ...
 
Occam, I understand that most of my political opinions lean libertarian according to their platform. The rest of your post is irrelevant. I don't follow people...I follow beliefs.

Yes... but who created that platform? Come on... you're big on research...

That's like saying I'm a patriot but don't much care for the history of the founders... I just need to believe I'm a patriot.

Lastly, I didn't ask you nor did I imply that you followed anyone in that party/philosophy, it's obvious you don't.... just wondering if you truly know that platform and where it came from.
 
One of our younger kids is extremely independent and would not accept our help with her college expenses. She worked while attending college and got student loans. She graduated nearly three years ago and has still not been able to find a job in her field nor has she been able to find a job that pays a living wage. We are paying her student loans for now while she continues applying because there is no way she could pay them herself.

Before anyone says my baby girl is lazy, isn't really looking for a job, etc. -- this is a kid worked 30 hours a week and was an honor student in college. She is extremely motivated and driven. She has applied for many hundreds of jobs in her field. The jobs just are not out there. As for jobs outside of her field - when employers see her education and GPA, they figure she won't stay in a decent job with their firm. She is left filling low-wage, high-turnover positions to live.

My guess is a lot of the people defaulting on their student loans are in the same boat as our daughter and their parents are not in a financial situation to help them.

You know a bill came up in congress to eliminate the tax break for companies outsourcing jobs and guess which party voted as a majority against the bill?
 
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We are the 99 percent letters « Motley News
 
I am sorry if these links have been posted but I like them and thought would post them. Lots of the 1% are in support of the 99%.
We are the 1 percent: We stand with the 99 percent

'Occupy' protesters find allies among the wealthy - US news - Life - msnbc.com

My fav. from the link above is this?

"Why did you get involved?

“I've been concerned about the role of corporations in American politics for a long time and so I went down originally to see if the people at 'Occupy' were also talking about a constitutional amendment or (revocation of) corporate personhood as … a possible demand. But the more I went down, the more I realized that they’re really on target to not have any specific demand. I think this will lead to … policy changes. But I think that they are right to wait and let the movement grow … before choosing anything too specific.”
 
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Democrats always puzzle over why so many Republicans clearly vote against their interests. Middle class Republicans routinely vote, for example, for measures that transfer enormous amounts of wealth from the middle class to the super wealthy. It never really makes sense to us. One theory is that Republicans all think they are about to be rich. Another theory is that Republicans fetishize the rich as see is as some kind of sacrifice they are making to their idols or something. But the theory I tend to believe is that they actually think they ARE the rich. They think that like owning a house and two cars means they're amongst "the rich" that people want to tax more. LOL.

I tend to think that some people believe in personal responsibility and others do not. The fact that someone has more than I do does not make it right for me to take it. The fact that someone has less does not mean they should not still have to pay their way. Helping others financially is called charity (a very good thing). Taking money from someone to help someone else financially is called theft.
 

dear sir,

if your daughter has a 4.0 she can get many scholarships, all of which should be sufficient to send her to school. or, she can join the military; the GI Bill is a fantastic deal for young hard-chargers.

In addition, if you were depending upon using your house as a bank account to pay for college, then I love ya brother, but you made an economically bone-headed decision. I would suggest from now on you not bank chunks of your childrens' future on your desire to live in a house that you can't afford.


www.iamthepercentthatdoesn'twhineandcomplainaboutmyownmistakes.com
 
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My parents couldn't pay anything. I went to college and got two degrees. I have have a well-paying job that I love.

my parents told me they could afford slightly less than one year at the college that I desperately wanted to go to.

yet here i sit, with a degree from that school... and no student loans...
 
dear sir,

if your daughter has a 4.0 she can get many scholarships, all of which should be sufficient to send her to school. or, she can join the military; the GI Bill is a fantastic deal for young hard-chargers.

In addition, if you were depending upon using your house as a bank account to pay for college, then I love ya brother, but you made an economically bone-headed decision. I would suggest from now on you not bank chunks of your childrens' future on your desire to live in a house that you can't afford.


www.iamthepercentthatdoesn'twhineandcomplainaboutmyownmistakes.com

I don't see anything that would lead to the conclusion this guy bought more house than he could afford.

Maybe he's owned it for years and now its worth so much less that he's upside down. Maybe that 70k was invested somewhere that it was lost in the crash.

I agree about his daughters options with a 4.0 GPA.

I just take issue with your assumption that everybody who's having a hard time must be a ****up.

Its a kind of arrogance I see in myself and other hyper-competent people, and personally I try to avoid it.
 
Oh, gosh, I think I’m a 1%er. About 20% of this forum are 1%ers.

My parents were poor but smart. My dad was a WWII fighter pilot with metals like 2 Purple Hearts. They became self-employed artists. Junior college for me. Finished with a BS after 4 years in the Air Farce. We have a daughter, expecting our 1st grand kid, with a Masters and a good job. But our son has a serious medical condition, e.g. today he is having an MRI. Even though we have made money working and investing, (Like buying BP when it had the blow out then selling when it recovered. But that does is move money from someone else’s pocket to ours. Kind of like what the 99%ers are complaining about.) and selling property at the right time. Without the health insurances we had and now Social Security and Medicare that our son is on because I did the smart things at the right times (I’m now retired) we would be in financial trouble. And our son would be set up for big medical trouble when we die w/o Social Security and Medicare.

So, here I am, a 1%er when it comes to wealth, but a POV that is more like a 99%er. What percentage of the population do you think is smart and lucky enough to do what we did? OK then, what do you suggest for the rest of them?
 
I don't see anything that would lead to the conclusion this guy bought more house than he could afford.

Maybe he's owned it for years and now its worth so much less that he's upside down. Maybe that 70k was invested somewhere that it was lost in the crash.

I agree about his daughters options with a 4.0 GPA.

I just take issue with your assumption that everybody who's having a hard time must be a ****up.

then take heart - because that's not my assumption. there are truly heart wrenching stories in this group. but if this guy's house went down 70K, and that was what destroyed his ability to send his daughter to college, then he had a very poor allocation of resources.
 
then take heart - because that's not my assumption. there are truly heart wrenching stories in this group. but if this guy's house went down 70K, and that was what destroyed his ability to send his daughter to college, then he had a very poor allocation of resources.

On this I don't follow - was he suddenly paying more per month on his mortgage because his home was worth less?

I don't see how that effects his ability to do - well - anything.
 
You enter the top 1% of income at around $380,000 a year in household income. I know many people who make less than that who consider themselves 1%er's. That is to say, they don't like the ideas they believe the OWS movement has and don't really know where they are economically in actual percentages.
 

Well, your daughter gets to learn a great lesson in life: everything isn't easy. With. 4.0 there are plenty or scholarships that combined with summer work could likely he he'd into an inexpensive state school. If that's not what he'd heart is set on she could take a year off to work and save or go to a year or two of community college cheaper than transfer.

But no, instead the more responsable and adult thing to do is to bitch at walstreet and assume your she's entitled to go to whatever college she wants immedietely regardless of other factors, one of which MAY (we don't know) havin been created by your own poor choices
 
But there aren't many, many ideologies LEADING it. And I know about the "people's microphone". It's annoying and stupid.

Repeating the same mantra over and over again isn't going to help you. There are no ideologies leading it. Just because you posted videos of a few very very select people who might be socialists, does not mean they are leading the movement.

As for the human microphone being "annoying and stupid" it's actually an ingenius way of having thousands of people hear one person. How is that stupid? I can see why it would be annoying to you though since you obviously have a philosophical difference with the protesters lol.
 
Discuss ...!

Is this a claim that 99% are below poverty and 1% are not? I think it is silly that the tax the **** out the other guy and not me crowd and the green with envy crowd want to include people who make over a 100,000 into their group. The reason I think it is silly is because these people who make over a 100,000 would be on the lets tax the **** out of the other guy and not me crowd's list. So have to wonder if this 99% is nothing more than B.S.
 
You know - if 99% of us (pretty much everyone we'll ever know in our lives) is in this '99%' then what is everyone complaining about?

If all of these people are suffering just like everyone else then what exactly do they think is going to change?
 
I'm more of the bottom 60% ie middle of the road. Like the Tea Party movement, I think it's great they try to get their ideas out there and I think much like the tea party they will shape policy looking forward. My hope is these two extremes will mesh into something that works out for everyone in the future.
 
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