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The 2020 San Francisco exodus is real, and historic, report shows

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That chart is INCREDIBLY misleading, because of the nature of percentages. The number of available homes in SF is so ridiculously low, that listing 1500 homes for sale increases inventory by "100%" or more. That is 1500 out of 385,000 housing units.

So no, there is no "massive exodus."

Back in the real world, ALL major cities in the US are seeing some people leaving for the suburbs, mostly because they don't have to physically report to an office 5+ days a week. Since remote work is not a regular thing, it's possible to live in areas that are not close to the office, with lower costs and/or more space. There is little doubt that will reverse when the pandemic eventually subsides. That goes double for the Bay Area, where suburbs near SF and Silicon Valley are insanely expensive, and commuting from further out chews up lots of time per day.

However, as your own source points out, suburbs and exurbs aren't actually seeing a huge surge. Maybe you should read the actual Zillow report. What a concept.

As to SF? Your perceptions of the problem are so biased, it's astounding. SF has always been an incredibly desirable place to live, in no small part because of the liberal attitudes of its residents. Then, multiple tech booms hit, and all those software engineers who were raking in big bucks wanted to live where the action was. This caused demand, and thus prices, to soar. The main policy that fed the resulting affordability crisis was that SF residents didn't want the kind of massively dense development that would be needed to meet the demand -- in no small part because doing so would decimate the character of the city, including low-profile residential neighborhoods.

As to homelessness in SF? That's always been an issue, and has as much to do with unaffordable housing and climate as anything else. The Bay Area has hardly been inviting to the homeless; e.g. there was a wave of laws against "aggressive panhandling" passed in the 90s and early 00s. Homeless encampments periodically get cleared out.

To put it another way: The "failures" of SF are almost entirely due to the mechanisms of capitalism, and in spite of some policies that are hostile to the homeless.

We should also remember that homelessness is hardly restricted to progressive areas. There are plenty of homeless suburbs and rural areas -- you just don't notice them, because they're not on the streets. Instead, they live in their cars in Walmart parking lots, or camp in areas where they're hard to see.

But, it is not surprisingly that you seize on and misrepresent these kinds of details to support your ideology. Heck, I bet you can't even explain what "policies" led to this alleged "failure" in the first place....

Particularly in SF, I would not be surprised at all if a pretty large percentage of those 1,500 homes are owned by people who purchased them for AirBnB ventures. Some of these hosts have up to 25 properties with mortgages...
 
I see it as a good thing. Too many liberals have concentrated their votes in California, thereby skewing the electoral college to Republicans. Supply and demand has made California untenable for mere mortals to afford a home, so naturally they go to poorer states or red states (often the same thing) so they can have a house of their own. Then they raise the standard of living and the desirability of the state to the point that mere mortals can't afford a home there any longer, and the cycle continues. And in the process, the electoral college is gradually rebalanced.

We're like the angels of progress

That's an incredible fantasy, otherwise you would have linked to the study that proves it.
 
That's an incredible fantasy, otherwise you would have linked to the study that proves it.

The California Effect: Texas is the Top Destination State for Californians - RENTCafe rental blog

Americans are known to be one of the most mobile nations in the world, and Californians manage to top the charts, with over 690,000 of them moving to a different state during 2018. However, the Golden State has always exerted a particular attraction on the rest of the states, if not the world, and this is one of the reasons why its real estate is getting more expensive by the year, the demand translating into more competition and higher prices.

Where do Californians go?

Of the busiest moving directions, five originate in California, and the interstate migration route that attracted the most people in 2018 was California to Texas. According to STORAGECafé, over 86,000 people chose to relocate from California to tax-free Texas during 2018. Arizona takes second place as the most welcoming state, with more than 68,000 Californian newcomers, followed by Washington, with over 55,000 people who prefer the famously cloudy state over sunny Cali.

And when Texas finally gets too expensive? Californians will just move on to some other red state and start improving life there.
 
Californians will just move on to some other red state and start improving life there.

So you couldn't find a study about liberals "improving life". Maybe you should start with San Francisco and L.A. - the cities they're fleeing - and explain in detail the improved life they're fleeing, and especially the part as to why they would be fleeing an improved life.

Wait. Are you suggesting that by taking over a city, increasing property values to the point that nobody but the rich can afford to live there, that then creates income inequality, homelessness that is ignored, untreated mental illness left to survive on the street, culminating in a need to flee, is your idea of "improving life"?

That's warped.
 
Nothing worse than Nor Cal people. Smug and clueless at the same time. Good job ruining your city.


Yup. Those Californicaters mentioned in this article? They've moved to Colorado and raped the **** outta the state. Mountain passes are overcrowded daily with disrespectful, dumb Calidiots who bother the wildlife (and pay the mortal price for it), destroy the nature, and fall off cliffs to their deaths for their stupid selfies. Not to mention the insane amount of ****ty Lib drivers (DUIs, hit and runs, dumb bikers, passive aggressive POSs).
 
So you couldn't find a study about liberals "improving life". Maybe you should start with San Francisco and L.A. - the cities they're fleeing - and explain in detail the improved life they're fleeing, and especially the part as to why they would be fleeing an improved life.

Wait. Are you suggesting that by taking over a city, increasing property values to the point that nobody but the rich can afford to live there, that then creates income inequality, homelessness that is ignored, untreated mental illness left to survive on the street, culminating in a need to flee, is your idea of "improving life"?

That's warped.

Great parks, a large variety of theaters and restaurants, more employment opportunities, etc. Basically, the main method by which red states can avoid these things is to make sure that prices remain too high and life remains too crappy, thus turning everyone away.

But you've got a problem: if red states are going to insist on having lower taxes and lower real estate prices, then they will by necessity be inviting people who just want to afford a home. If you want to make yourselves unattractive to them, you're going to have to be unattractive in all ways.
 
Then when they get here and see their $10,000 a year property tax bill on a home valued at 400K it doesn't seem so "tax free" any longer...

Can't win 'em all. How to pay off a 10k property tax is a hell of a lot more realistic a discussion than how to pay off a $1.2M home that's less than a third the size. I know that discussion well.
 
So you couldn't find a study about liberals "improving life". Maybe you should start with San Francisco and L.A. - the cities they're fleeing....
They are "fleeing" because too many people want to live there, and people are willing to pay more and more to live there, and that makes housing unaffordable.

For example, SF's population has grown by 20,000 in the past 4 years. Is that your idea of "fleeing?"

According to Zillow -- whose research you're relying on -- housing prices in SF doubled from 2012 to 2019, and have only dipped slightly in 2020. Is that your idea of a nightmare?

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What, exactly, are the "disasters" to which you refer? And how many people do you believe have actually left because of them? And how many people are still moving to SF? If anything, slightly lower housing costs might get some people to move there, or stay there, yes?


Are you suggesting that by taking over a city, increasing property values to the point that nobody but the rich can afford to live there, that then creates income inequality, homelessness that is ignored, untreated mental illness left to survive on the street, culminating in a need to flee, is your idea of "improving life"?

That's warped.
Actually, what's "warped" is referring to that as a total failure of progressivism. To the extent it's a failure, it is primarily a failure of capitalism.

This should not surprise anyone who actually knows the Bay Area, which has become overwhelmed not with Hippies and post-modern minorities, but with Libertarian Tech Bros, many of whom fought tooth and nail against a corporate tax specifically targeted to fund aid for the homeless.

A genuine progressive response would be like that seen in Utah, and a simple one: Provide basic homes to the homeless. Ultimately, many of the problems that wind up forcing people into homelessness -- drug dependency, mental illness, unaffordable housing, or just no proper place to put your stuff and get a clean shower so you can be presentable at work -- can't be fixed if you don't have a home.
 
Around 1960 I was in the Navy at the south end of the bay at Moffett Field. San Francisco was a beautiful up scale city. If we went there on liberty, we dressed up a little better as not to stand out.

Now thanks to stupid democrats running the city, no wonder people are leaving. Just look at the filth and trash. Who would even want to take their families there for a visit. It would seem that the people that live their would do something to clean up the city so they dont lose hundreds of thousands of dollars on the property values.

My experience with San Francisco and being in the military was substantially different.

In 1974 I was returning state-side from Okinawa after a 13 month tour. My first stop was the Honolulu airport. I wearing my Class A uniform and carrying a duffel bag. I had absolutely no problems. My next stop was the San Francisco airport. Before I even got out of the airport terminal I had a crowd of people throwing things at me, spitting at me, and calling me "Baby Killer." I never served in Vietnam, the Marine Corps sent me to Okinawa instead.

Californians, particularly those in San Francisco, have a deep-seated hatred of the US and the military in particular. We should nuke San Francisco and start over, because there is nothing but anti-American leftist filth living there now.
 
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No more OAN for you

No one needs OAN to see what I say is true about lib-tards fleeing the places they turn into cesspools to do the same to the new places they move to.
 
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