The 14th Amendment Birthright Citizenship was intended for the children of freed slaves (1 Viewer)

[Hamish Howl]

Sounds kind of Catholic. Original Sin 'n all.
And that's speaking as a reject Catholic.

If JD Vance hadn't killed Pope Francis, he might have better luck with that.

 

[Buster Keaton]

I realize English is not your native or primary tongue, but lucky for you, I am very helpful. "Proven" does not mean "repeated over and over", it means "demonstrated by evidence or argument to be true or existing".

With slow learners repetition works best

 

[BirdinHand]

How does an infant born here violate our immigration laws?

How does an infant violate ANY laws?

Now don’t go pointing out the depths of evil in MAGA.

 

[BirdinHand]

With slow learners repetition works best

Repeating lies don’t make them true

 

[Bum]

If JD Vance hadn't killed Pope Francis, he might have better luck with that.

Well. I'm pretty much fvcked....

 

[Hamish Howl]

With slow learners repetition works best

Which is why I'm gonna help you out.

The first sentence doesn't start with "the children of slaves," it starts with "all persons."

We know MAGAs hate the constitution because it doesn't let you get your Himmler on with brown people, but the constitution is still there, and still says the things you hate.

 

[Buster Keaton]

No, it's not. People who violate your laws don't become citizens. It's for people born in America.
Don't you understand simple things? Do you think this is unique to America?

This is not complex.
It is a truth of history
And so I will repeat.
The 14th amendment Birthright Citizen clause was intended to protect the citizenship of the children born from freed slaves.
It was never intended for the children of people who are not citizens and who illegally entered out country.
This a fact.
It is a reality.

 

[BirdinHand]

Which is why I'm gonna help you out.

The first sentence doesn't start with "the children of slaves," it starts with "all persons."

We know MAGAs hate the constitution because it doesn't let you get your Himmler on with brown people, but the constitution is still there, and still says the things you hate.

but, if you twist those words line a pretzel and read them under the harvest moon using the secret decoder ring you ordered from the My Pillow Guy…then you can REALLY see what they meant

 

[BirdinHand]

This is not complex.
It is a truth of history
And so I will repeat.
The 14th amendment Birthright Citizen clause was intended to protect the citizenship of the children born from freed slaves.
It was never intended for the children of people who are not citizens and who illegally entered out country.
This a fact.
It is a reality.

No, you keep repeating YOUR OPINION and pretending it is a fact.

But keep typing I guess?


I mean, elementary school kids understand the difference between fact vs. opinion…they’re also typically smarter than MAGAs

 

[Buster Keaton]

Nope. It’s why it says all persons, and not “children of freed slaves”

that means the children of citizens, not the children of non-citizens

 

[Buster Keaton]

If they give birth to a child on US soil, the child is a natural born US citizen.

not if their parents are not citizens

 

[Buster Keaton]

All persons. It’s says so right in the very first sentence.

wrong again
it was written for freed slaves
not for non-citizens who illegally crossed our boarder

 

[Buster Keaton]

The amendment explicitly says it is.

where does it say non citizens who illegally crossed our boarder

 

[Pyrite]

that means the children of citizens, not the children of non-citizens

No, all means all. Were a qualification intended, it would have been written into the Amendment. But it wasn't.

You can insist the missing words - "not meant to apply to children of people who are not citizens themselves" - are somehow coded into the text of the Amendment as many times as you want, but you still won't be correct.

 

[Buster Keaton]

You seem to not understand the difference between fact and opinion. All you have espoused here is your opinion. When challenged on the notion to show us an expert that shared your opinion, you could not. It seems you are outclassed on this one. Find a thread where you actually have something to say. This does not appear to be such a thread.

well of course the left will never be able to admit that they are wrong
the proof is the purpose and intent of the birthright citizenship clause
your opinion is that the birthright citizenship clause's intent was to include non-citizens who illegally crossed our boarder
the birthright citizenship clause was intended for freed slaves
non-citizens who illegally crossed our boarder are not freed slaves and they are not citizens

 

[Buster Keaton]

You have to amend the constitution to prevent them from being citizens.

they are already non-citizens

 

[RogueWarrior]

if a right can be suspended, it isn't a right. - Carlin

 

[Buster Keaton]

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And no one has said they are "naturalized". But those who are born here are citizens, according to the wording of the Amendment.

If you and your fellow GOPers want to change that, you are free to try to do it the Constitutional way: via an Amendment.

where does it say that?

 

[Buster Keaton]

With a viable citation.
Are you familiar with the word "citation"?

my citation is the constitution

 

[Buster Keaton]

How does an infant born here violate our immigration laws?

How does an infant violate ANY laws?

their parents did

 

[Buster Keaton]

Which is why I'm gonna help you out.

The first sentence doesn't start with "the children of slaves," it starts with "all persons."

We know MAGAs hate the constitution because it doesn't let you get your Himmler on with brown people, but the constitution is still there, and still says the things you hate.

all persons means all citizens
it does not mean non-citizens who illegally crossed our border

 

[Buster Keaton]

No, you keep repeating YOUR OPINION and pretending it is a fact.

But keep typing I guess?


I mean, elementary school kids understand the difference between fact vs. opinion…they’re also typically smarter than MAGAs

where does it say that non-citizens who illegally crossed our border have birthright citizenship?
it doesn't
they intent was for citizens
it was never intended for non-citizens

 

[Rexedgar]

all persons means all citizens
it does not mean non-citizens who illegally crossed our border

The Constitution isn’t a Chinese menu. You can’t pick one from Column A and another from Column B, it’s all or nothing.

 

[Rexedgar]

Birthright Citizenship was intended to protect the children of freed slaves, not for the children of people who violated or immigration laws.
The word "intent" is a very important word for constitutional legitimacy.

The road to hell is paved with “good intentions.”

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Bullshit. You lot can chorus, "What they really meant was..." till the cows come home but what's written in the Constitution is the law of the land until you take the steps to change it.

What they mean is what they said, and what they said was, “”All persons born or naturalized in the United States…”.

If they meant something else they could have used different words.