The 10/2 March in Washington

[Barbbtx]

PowerPac.org is on the list. They are all about social justice.

 

[Josie]

PowerPac.org is on the list. They are all about social justice.

Why do you hate the poor?????

 

[Redress]

Winston, we get it. You think it's perfectly fine for Communists and Socialists to be running the country because it's "a free country". Can we actually have a conversation that goes deeper than that or are you going to stay on that shallow comment?

Redress, nowhere did I say that Communists were running the country. The question was posed to Winston who I know has no problem IF Communists were running the country.

And there are many more organizations sponsoring this event that espouse the beliefs of socialism and communism, but you seem to be refusing to look any deeper than the organizations' names.

Also note that there is a strong public education theme to this event, which is something that is a general liberal position(we believe generally that public education is a positive and should be as good as possible), and socialist groups support as well. This does not make the event socialist, any more than a anti-abortion rally is muslim because muslims oppose abortion.

What you are doing is exactly what we have been saying you are doing, which is trying to make tenuous connections to smear some one instead of trying to talk about the actual issues of the rally. The issues are much harder to debate, but that would be actually substantive.

 

[Redress]

Why do you hate the poor?????

Why do you build straw men?

 

[Grim17]

Here's the updated list of the socialist/communist/questionable sponsors:

AFL-CIO
American Federation of Teachers
Center for Community Change
Green for All
NAACP
National Council of La Raza
Rainbow PUSH Coalition
SEIU: Service Employees International Union
Sojourners
UAW, International Union
AFSCME
Alliance for Democracy
Campaign for America’s Future
Campaign for Peace and Democracy
Campus Progress
Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
Code Pink
Color of Change.org
Communist Party USA (CPUSA)
Democratic Socialists of America
Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN)
Gray Panthers
Human Rights Campaign
International Socialist Organization
National Education Association
National Urban League
Planned Parenthood
United Steel Workers
Working Families Party
Ya Ya Network

 

[pbrauer]

Here's the updated list of the socialist/communist/questionable sponsors:QUOTE]

How about putting some FACTS behind those allegations?

 

[Grim17]

How about putting some FACTS behind those allegations?

Because It's a waste of time doing so. All you will do is dismiss them. Hell, even if I showed you how most of those sponsors were either tied with socialism or communism, it wouldn't matter to you anyway. You know what you are, and you know what the politicians you support are. You're just doing what the left has always done... doing everything you can to pretend otherwise so the majority of the American people don't figure it out.

So lets just say that in my opinion, those are socialist/communist/questionable sponsors, and leave it at that.

 

[Redress]

Because It's a waste of time doing so. All you will do is dismiss them. Hell, even if I showed you how most of those sponsors were either tied with socialism or communism, it wouldn't matter to you anyway. You know what you are, and you know what the politicians you support are. You're just doing what the left has always done... doing everything you can to pretend otherwise so the majority of the American people don't figure it out.

So lets just say that in my opinion, those are socialist/communist/questionable sponsors, and leave it at that.

What are your opinions on the mission behind the event?

 

[Barbbtx]

What are your opinions on the mission behind the event?

If it's supported by communists/socialists, who cares about the mission? It obviously is a racist.....umm I mean Communist and socialist organization, or at the very least some groups are Communist and Socialist within Organizing for America. I'm not saying they all are but......

 

[pbrauer]

Because It's a waste of time doing so. All you will do is dismiss them. Hell, even if I showed you how most of those sponsors were either tied with socialism or communism, it wouldn't matter to you anyway. You know what you are, and you know what the politicians you support are. You're just doing what the left has always done... doing everything you can to pretend otherwise so the majority of the American people don't figure it out.

So lets just say that in my opinion, those are socialist/communist/questionable sponsors, and leave it at that.

Fair enough, it's my opinion that the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the Heritage Foundation, and the Fox News Channel among others are tied to Fascism.

Haven't you figured out yet that most Americans agree with issues championed by the left more than they do of the right?

 

[Redress]

If it's supported by communists/socialists, who cares about the mission? It obviously is a racist.....umm I mean Communist and socialist organization, or at the very least some groups are Communist and Socialist within Organizing for America. I'm not saying they all are but......

I think this says all we need to hear. It does not matter the purpose, it only matters who likes it. That is, in a nutshell, what is wrong with political discourse in this country. We don't talk issues, we call names, and mostly don't know what those names really mean, or need any evidence to call them that.

And Beck is a socialist who recommended using free government transportation to get to his rally.

 

[Grim17]

What are your opinions on the mission behind the event?

Well, I don't think this rally is really about what they say it is. They are saying at the official website that their mission is to "Demand the changes we voted for", which sounds on the surface like an Obama protest. Of course we all know, it's quite the opposite. The website also says that they are "determined to build a more united country with good jobs, equal justice, and quality public education for all", which isn't much of a rallying cry.

In my opinion, this rally is about 2 things... It's a DNC rally to give voice to the liberal/Obama agenda and a protest against the Tea Party, both of which strike me as kind of strange. I've never seen a rally on this scale organized to protest protesters (to one-up Beck), or to express a political agenda, when their party is in complete control of the legislative agenda in Washington.

We won't know what it ends up being about until Saturday. I just hope everything goes well and there aren't any problems.

Just a side note on the socialist angle... On the websites front page, there's a featured story titled "Danny Glover teams up with One Nation Working Together in California". Yes, the same Danny Glover who is a big time supporter and friend to socialist dictator Hugo Chavez... lololololol

 

[Josie]

What are your opinions on the mission behind the event?

DAYS TO 10.02.10
Equality for All
Refocus Our Nation’s Fiscal Priorities

End the foreclosure epidemic and save the homes of America’s families - how?
Reform bankruptcy laws to protect families and working people - how?
Prioritize affordable housing for all - ??
Protect and strengthen Social Security and Medicare - SS is down the tubes already. We can't afford all of this spending.
Repair private pension systems - how?
Complete the promise of health care reform, including the public option - oh joy.
Provide greater national investment in new jobs, improved infrastructure, and education instead of increased military spending - new jobs created how? improved infrastructure by adding even MORE taxes? decrease military spending? How nice of them.

Prohibit and punish predatory lending and mortgage scams - define "predatory" and "scams"
Increase watchdog powers of institutions, including the Consumer Financial Protection Agency - Yay! More government! /facepalm
Avoid taxpayer bailouts of financial institutions deemed “too big to fail” - Whoa! I totally agree!

 

[Slartibartfast]

And people still wonder why others say Obama is colluding with Communists and Socialists....

Odd that you did not include:

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. DC Support Group

General Board of Church and Society- United Methodist Church

Iraq Veterans Against the War

Jewish Arab Dialogue Association

Jewish Funds for Justice

Jewish Labor Committee

National Missionary Baptist Church

NYU Nursing Doctoral Students Organization

The Religious Institute

Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations

Veterans for Peace

Sojourners

American Association of University Professors

American Federation of Government Employees

American Federation of Television and Radio Artists

American Friends Service Committee

American Muslim Association of North America (AMANA)

in your list of sponsoring organizations.

If we are equating loose associations as proof of an ideology, does this mean that all of these religious organizations are socialist and communist as well. Does this mean that Obama is Christian, Jewish, and Muslim at the same time?

 

[Josie]

Ensure that all people have access to affordable, high quality education throughout their lives, from pre-school through college - they're for vouchers too? sweet!
Provide for teacher training and support necessary to continuously improve classroom practice and serve students better - already being done. But you can't make teachers listen to the training.
Increase federal government support to Historically Black Colleges and Universities, Hispanic Serving Institutions, and other institutions of higher education that provide opportunities for underserved communities - It seems to me that any college that isn't predominately white gets a lot of money from the federal government. Maybe I'm wrong...
End all policies and actions that directly or indirectly lead to re-segregation by race or ethnicity of our public schools. - Weird how this statement comes after the "give more money to BLACK colleges and HISPANIC institutions. They're resegregating themselves!

 

[Josie]

If we are equating loose associations as proof of an ideology, does this mean that all of these religious organizations are socialist and communist as well. Does this mean that Obama is Christian, Jewish, and Muslim at the same time?

The proof of ideology is in Obama's own words coupled with his colluding with Communists and Socialists his entire life. It amazes me that people still refuse to see that.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The proof of ideology is in Obama's own words coupled with his colluding with Communists and Socialists his entire life. It amazes me that people still refuse to see that.

Ok, so in essence if someone talks like a criminal and has friends that are criminals, (nothing in there about a person performing criminal acts), they are still a criminal anyway. (Using your logic of course)

Does this sort of lazy thinking require a chalk board?

 

[liblady]

And people still wonder why others say Obama is colluding with Communists and Socialists....

the methodist church are communist? shame on you, mellie, for spewing this crap, all over, whenever you can. i have no problems with different ways of thinking......when a person actually thinks instead of parrots what they've been spoonfed.

colluding? wth? proof?

 

[liblady]

Oh yes. The list is right there on the site for everyone to see. Many are supporters of Communism and Socialism.

This is why people are saying that Obama is colluding with Communists and Socalists. You see?

no, i don't see. what i see is your usual crap. could you PLEASE provide one shred of proof?

 

[winston53660]

no, i don't see. what i see is your usual crap. could you PLEASE provide one shred of proof?

Ya want proof well here is your proof!!!!!

Did you know:
1) More than 98 percent of communists are bread eaters !


2) Exactly half of all children who grow up in bread - eating households score in the bottom 50% on standardized IQ tests !

3) In the 19th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 55 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, scarlet fever, smallpox and influenza ravaged entire nations !


4) Statistics show that more than 75 % of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread !


5) Bread is made from a substance called "dough." Researchers have proven that as little as one pound of dough can choke a large animal like a horse. The average person eats more bread than that in one month !


6) Bread is known to be extremely addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water, actually begged for bread after just two days !


7) Bread is a "gateway" food item, which usually leads to such items as butter, jam, peanut butter and even ... bacon !


8) Bread has been proven to kill. Scientists have now uncovered alarming evidence that 100% of the people who eat bread will eventually die !


9) Unattended newborn babies can choke on bread !


10) Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 425 degrees Fahrenheit ! Don't laugh...that kind of heat can kill a full grown adult in less than five minutes.


11) 96 % of communists eventually admit that they've eaten bread !

12) Obama eats bread there fore he is a communist


13) Sadly, 9 out of 10 bread eaters are unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.

 

[Barbbtx]

Fair enough, it's my opinion that the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the Heritage Foundation, and the Fox News Channel among others are tied to Fascism.

Haven't you figured out yet that most Americans agree with issues championed by the left more than they do of the right?

That's why the left is going to stomp the right come the elections in Nov. Right?

 

[Slartibartfast]

That's why the left is going to stomp the right come the elections in Nov. Right?

Actually hes sort of right, generally society leans left on social issues and leans right on fiscal ones.

 

[Josie]

the methodist church are communist?

Never said that, but thanks for being intellectually dishonest.

There are Communist and Socialist groups sponsoring and supporting this event. It's right there in front of your face. Does that mean that ALLLLLLLL the groups are communist and socialist? No. Duh.

 

[Josie]

no, i don't see. what i see is your usual crap. could you PLEASE provide one shred of proof?

The proof is right there in the list of sponsors for the event! Hellooooooo.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Never said that, but thanks for being intellectually dishonest.

There are Communist and Socialist groups sponsoring and supporting this event. It's right there in front of your face. Does that mean that ALLLLLLLL the groups are communist and socialist? No. Duh.

The proof is right there in the list of sponsors for the event! Hellooooooo.

Does this level of doublethink hurt?