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Thailand Mass Shooting

Michael McMahon

Michael McMahon

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There has been a horrific mass killing in Thailand today. From a gun control perspective we must remember that vulnerable groups of children are found not only in schools but also creches, park playgrounds and sports teams. If society arms teachers then you'd also have to arm sports coaching staff and child minders. I view such a policy as being mistaken. In rural primary schools there might only be two teachers inside which will limit their ability to provide counterfire. Furthermore some teachers are elderly. Men and women are equally able to teach but biologically women tend to have less upper body strength. As such a policy that forces teachers to provide security assistance could lead to gender discrimination in hiring teachers. Secondary school or tertiary students might have limited self-awareness for carrying non-lethal weaponry. Although arming preschool children at montessori with any blunt weapon at all would be completely futile, dangerous and next to impossible.

"A former policeman killed 34 people, including 23 children, during a knife and gun rampage at a daycare centre in northeast Thailand today, police said, before later shooting dead his wife and child at home and turning his weapon on himself.
In one of the world's worst child death tolls in a massacre by a single killer in recent history, most of the children who died at the daycare centre in Uthai Sawan, a town 500 km northeast of Bangkok, were stabbed to death, police said...
The age range of children at the daycare centre was from two to five years, a local official told Reuters...
Police said the attacker's weapon was a 9 mm pistol and it had been obtained legally...
Gun laws are strict in Thailand, where possession of an illegal firearm carries a prison sentence of up to 10 years.
Illegal weapons, many brought in from strife-torn neighbouring countries, are common.
Mass shootings in Thailand remain rare, although in 2020, a soldier* angry over a property deal gone sour killed at least 29 people and wounded 57 in a rampage that spanned four locations."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/1006/1327467-thailand/


*"A mass shooting occurred near and in Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, colloquially known as Korat, between 8 and 9 February 2020. A soldier of the Royal Thai Army killed 29 people and wounded 58 others before he was eventually shot and killed... The perpetrator then stole military weapons and a Humvee and drove to the Terminal 21 Korat shopping mall, which had a large number of shoppers due to the public holiday Magha Puja, where he opened fire on shoppers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhon_Ratchasima_shootings
 
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We arm ourselves here. So outside of schools, we have most places covered.
 
Luce said:
Except country music concerts, R&B concerts, post offices, massage parlors, and baseball games.
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Outside of private venues that don't allow firearms and gov't gun free zones of course.
 
Artymoon said:
Outside of private venues that don't allow firearms and gov't gun free zones of course.
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The Vegas shooting had the shooter in a hotel a block away.
 
Luce said:
The Vegas shooting had the shooter in a hotel a block away.
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Agreed, no concert goer was likely lawfully allowed to carry a gun inside the venue.
 
Luce said:
Except country music concerts,
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We can only guess what that one is. 20,000 some odd hundred people packed in.
Luce said:
R&B concerts,
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Such as?
Luce said:
post offices,
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Found some of those going back years.
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massage parlors,
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What I did find was 3 parlors same shooter.
Luce said:
and baseball games.
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I'm really finding a gang related one at a school game. Gang related is my word. Not sure if you also mean the [R] ballgame.
 
Artymoon said:
Agreed, no concert goer was likely lawfully allowed to carry a gun inside the venue.
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Yeah, but if they had, they could have shot back at a guy in a hotel room a block away!
 
Chase Morgan said:
So, you think that Billy Ray, the overfed, drunken country music fan, would've taken paddock out and limited the carnage that night had he been armed?
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With a handgun? Not likely. Who's Billy Rae? If he was drunk he shouldn't be carrying anyway.
 
Luce said:
Except country music concerts, R&B concerts, post offices, massage parlors, and baseball games.
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Nightclubs, shopping malls, 4th of July parades...
 
Michael McMahon said:
There has been a horrific mass killing in Thailand today. From a gun control perspective we must remember that vulnerable groups of children are found not only in schools but also creches, park playgrounds and sports teams. If society arms teachers then you'd also have to arm sports coaching staff and child minders. I view such a policy as being mistaken. In rural primary schools there might only be two teachers inside which will limit their ability to provide counterfire. Furthermore some teachers are elderly. Men and women are equally able to teach but biologically women tend to have less upper body strength. As such a policy that forces teachers to provide security assistance could lead to gender discrimination in hiring teachers. Secondary school or tertiary students might have limited self-awareness for carrying non-lethal weaponry. Although arming preschool children at montessori with any blunt weapon at all would be completely futile, dangerous and next to impossible.

"A former policeman killed 34 people, including 23 children, during a knife and gun rampage at a daycare centre in northeast Thailand today, police said, before later shooting dead his wife and child at home and turning his weapon on himself.
In one of the world's worst child death tolls in a massacre by a single killer in recent history, most of the children who died at the daycare centre in Uthai Sawan, a town 500 km northeast of Bangkok, were stabbed to death, police said...
The age range of children at the daycare centre was from two to five years, a local official told Reuters...
Police said the attacker's weapon was a 9 mm pistol and it had been obtained legally...
Gun laws are strict in Thailand, where possession of an illegal firearm carries a prison sentence of up to 10 years.
Illegal weapons, many brought in from strife-torn neighbouring countries, are common.
Mass shootings in Thailand remain rare, although in 2020, a soldier* angry over a property deal gone sour killed at least 29 people and wounded 57 in a rampage that spanned four locations."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/1006/1327467-thailand/


*"A mass shooting occurred near and in Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, colloquially known as Korat, between 8 and 9 February 2020. A soldier of the Royal Thai Army killed 29 people and wounded 58 others before he was eventually shot and killed... The perpetrator then stole military weapons and a Humvee and drove to the Terminal 21 Korat shopping mall, which had a large number of shoppers due to the public holiday Magha Puja, where he opened fire on shoppers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhon_Ratchasima_shootings
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If this happened in the US there would be wall to wall coverage... but since it is Thailand this is the first I've heard it. Sad.
 
Chase Morgan said:
So, you think that Billy Ray, the overfed, drunken country music fan, would've taken paddock out and limited the carnage that night had he been armed?
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Hamish Howl said:
Yeah, but if they had, they could have shot back at a guy in a hotel room a block away!
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Well, that's a bit stereotypical given today's country music fan but of course not. A special ops teams wouldn't have been able to take him out from the ground if they were in attendance. I merely pointed out to the OP that outside of certain areas, we are pretty well armed. Not sure how we wound up here.
 
Michael McMahon said:
There has been a horrific mass killing in Thailand today. From a gun control perspective we must remember that vulnerable groups of children are found not only in schools but also creches, park playgrounds and sports teams. If society arms teachers then you'd also have to arm sports coaching staff and child minders. I view such a policy as being mistaken. In rural primary schools there might only be two teachers inside which will limit their ability to provide counterfire. Furthermore some teachers are elderly. Men and women are equally able to teach but biologically women tend to have less upper body strength. As such a policy that forces teachers to provide security assistance could lead to gender discrimination in hiring teachers. Secondary school or tertiary students might have limited self-awareness for carrying non-lethal weaponry. Although arming preschool children at montessori with any blunt weapon at all would be completely futile, dangerous and next to impossible.

"A former policeman killed 34 people, including 23 children, during a knife and gun rampage at a daycare centre in northeast Thailand today, police said, before later shooting dead his wife and child at home and turning his weapon on himself.
In one of the world's worst child death tolls in a massacre by a single killer in recent history, most of the children who died at the daycare centre in Uthai Sawan, a town 500 km northeast of Bangkok, were stabbed to death, police said...
The age range of children at the daycare centre was from two to five years, a local official told Reuters...
Police said the attacker's weapon was a 9 mm pistol and it had been obtained legally...
Gun laws are strict in Thailand, where possession of an illegal firearm carries a prison sentence of up to 10 years.
Illegal weapons, many brought in from strife-torn neighbouring countries, are common.
Mass shootings in Thailand remain rare, although in 2020, a soldier* angry over a property deal gone sour killed at least 29 people and wounded 57 in a rampage that spanned four locations."
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/1006/1327467-thailand/


*"A mass shooting occurred near and in Nakhon Ratchasima, Thailand, colloquially known as Korat, between 8 and 9 February 2020. A soldier of the Royal Thai Army killed 29 people and wounded 58 others before he was eventually shot and killed... The perpetrator then stole military weapons and a Humvee and drove to the Terminal 21 Korat shopping mall, which had a large number of shoppers due to the public holiday Magha Puja, where he opened fire on shoppers." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhon_Ratchasima_shootings
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My heart goes out to all of them and all victims of crime.

Nevertheless, I must give some pushback on this *specific* case. It would not have mattered what safeguards were in place to stop this because the assailant was a trained police officer. Anybody outside of law enforcement that has been armed and prepared for active shooters wouldn't have the same skill level as someone with his training.

I don't mean to be pessimistic here but think about all the destruction former cops and former military shooters have caused BEFORE other law enforcement people could stop them. Drills and safeguards would only help if we were talking about people without that specialized training and skills.
 
Luce said:
Except country music concerts, R&B concerts, post offices, massage parlors, and baseball games.
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And random places everywhere...
 
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