Texas Senate Approves Permitless Carry

[Rich2018]

If there were no guns, far fewer kids would commit suicide, and murder-suicides would be rare.

Yes, there would be much fewer murder-suicides.

Like this:

Truck driver, 41, shoots dead Air Force sergeant wife, 36, and himself

Timothy Price, 41, shot dead his wife Katherine Price, 36, on Tuesday morning. The Georgia couple who attended Baptist Church had three children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Rich2018]

The uk has dropped slightly on suicide since gun reforms, but so have many other nations, australia with just as extreme gun laws only saw a slight drop followed by a surge. Japan which has even more extreme gun laws than the uk has had a very high rate of suicide.

So what ?

Japanese culture is different to that of the USA
Guns don't make people suicidal. But if there is a gun present, it makes an attempt (from people who become suicidal):
1. More likely
2. More successful in taking someone's life

But the point is gun control has zero effect on suicide rates

The point is that gun control has a big affect of the success rates of suicide attempts (85% success rate with a gun, 45% success rate of all other means averaged together)

...people determined to kill themselves are not going to stop because of gun laws when they can hang themselves...

Wrong
Studies show that people attempting suicide do so within a short time (less than an hour) of deciding to so so
And if there a gun it the house, not only is it immediately avaiable and takes no planning/preparation during which a suicidal person might reconsider, a gun is far more successful (85%) that other mean averaged together (45%)
Moreover, those who survive a suicide attempt are quite often overjoyed to have done so and do not try again

Unless you subscribe to Jaeger's BS theory that people surviving suicide attempts just didn't want to die

Suicide is a result of social factors, stress in peoples lives and most often how much society cares as suicidal people are usually leaving signs and begging for people to show they care before they commit the deed. This means suicide rates have zero to do with firearm access...

Nope. Gun access plays a major part in the success rate of suicide attempts (see above) and in some cases will result in an attempt, when the absence of a gun would mean an attempt is not made

...In japanese society someone who only cleans 500 fish a day may be deemed a waste of oxygen, and looked down upon...

Deemed a waste of oxygen and looked down on by who ?
Another worthless comment with zero evidence

....and it may lead to that person feeling worthless. In a western society it may be more polite to wonder if that person was ok

Evidence ?
This is just your bigoted prejudice talking

Case and point it is a society thing not a firearm thing on suicide...

The term is "Case in point" and no it's not
Guns do NOT make people suicidal
Stop lying and using that Straw Man

...australia did enact extreme gun control, firearms are near banned in australia, to the point being able to own a single muzzle loader requires a bunch of paper work and storage, and their massiove gun buyback was to buyback guns they banned which covered nearly everything but single shot firearms.

Guns are not banned in Australia, you merely have to follow procedure to get one and have a valid reason. And self defense is NOT a reason, nor should it ever be.

 

[Lursa]

Accepted.

The first article I linked to showed a dramatic increase in gun violence in the years after the law changed.

Which article? Because the other one is just the details of the MO law.

 

[Rich2018]

Ironically, California is the one state where even I would feel more comfortable carrying. That is one ****ed up state. I actually had my hotel room broken into there, a fancy joint on Wilshire Blvd in BH, no less.

Florida might be another.

 

[calamity]

Yes, there would be much fewer murder-suicides.

Like this:

Truck driver, 41, shoots dead Air Force sergeant wife, 36, and himself

Timothy Price, 41, shot dead his wife Katherine Price, 36, on Tuesday morning. The Georgia couple who attended Baptist Church had three children.

www.dailymail.co.uk

There are far more of these “good guys” with guns going bad than the gun nuts are willing to admit.

 

[calamity]

Which article? Because the other one is just the details of the MO law.

The first one, you know, when you were still to busy bitching that Missouri had no such law.

 

[Lursa]

The first one, you know, when you were still to busy bitching that Missouri had no such law.

Thanks. and it had no connection to carry permits. Did you make that up? What is indisputable is that 2020 was an abnormal year with many more incidents of domestic violence and mental illness.

 

[calamity]

Thanks. and it had no connection to carry permits. Did you make that up? What is indisputable is that 2020 was an abnormal year with many more incidents of domestic violence and mental illness.

read the quote I provided in that post.

 

[Lursa]

read the quote I provided in that post.

Literally has nothing to do with permitless carry. It was very broad and named a lot of social issues.

You have not shown a single thing that would be related to not having a a permit making a difference.

 

[Lisa]

Apparently, in RightWingLand, where up is down and down up, the opposite is true.

But Texas is pro-life. So pro-life that they will execute you for having an abortion, but its OK to kill people because you refused to wear a mask so they spread the Covid19 virus.

Do “pro-life” advocates care about life or do they care about punishment? The latest abortion debate out of Texas gives a clear answer: the goal is to hurt women, not defend life.

The Texas state legislature is debating a provision that wouldn’t just outlaw abortion, but legally qualify it as homicide. For context of how extreme that is, even in the United States before Roe v Wade made abortion broadly legal, the procedure was outlawed in most states but was not considered murder – abortion was its own crime. Texas in 2019 wants to be even more barbaric than that, and turn women who end their pregnancies into felons, killers, and even death row inmates.



That’s right: Texas, supposedly so concerned with the right to life, continues to execute its own citizens. And some members of the state legislature want to execute women, too, if those women end their pregnancies.

Death sentence for abortion? The hypocrisy of US pro-lifers is plain to see | Jill Filipovic

The Texas state legislature is debating a provision that wouldn’t just outlaw abortion, but legally qualify it as homicide. The repercussions are chilling

www.theguardian.com

 

[beerftw]

So what ?

Japanese culture is different to that of the USA
Guns don't make people suicidal. But if there is a gun present, it makes an attempt (from people who become suicidal):
1. More likely
2. More successful in taking someone's life



The point is that gun control has a big affect of the success rates of suicide attempts (85% success rate with a gun, 45% success rate of all other means averaged together)


Wrong
Studies show that people attempting suicide do so within a short time (less than an hour) of deciding to so so
And if there a gun it the house, not only is it immediately avaiable and takes no planning/preparation during which a suicidal person might reconsider, a gun is far more successful (85%) that other mean averaged together (45%)
Moreover, those who survive a suicide attempt are quite often overjoyed to have done so and do not try again

Unless you subscribe to Jaeger's BS theory that people surviving suicide attempts just didn't want to die



Nope. Gun access plays a major part in the success rate of suicide attempts (see above) and in some cases will result in an attempt, when the absence of a gun would mean an attempt is not made



Deemed a waste of oxygen and looked down on by who ?
Another worthless comment with zero evidence



Evidence ?
This is just your bigoted prejudice talking


The term is "Case in point" and no it's not
Guns do NOT make people suicidal
Stop lying and using that Straw Man



Guns are not banned in Australia, you merely have to follow procedure to get one and have a valid reason. And self defense is NOT a reason, nor should it ever be.

IF all you say is true about guns making it vastly more likely and not societal problems why do countries with extremely strict gun control, have very high sucide rate, even islands separated from the rest of the world like japan and australia?

There is absolutely no logic at all in your response, nor facts, nor any logic to back it up, as suicide rates show to be independant of firearms in every chart, even australia who damn near banned them and has among now the strictest gun control on earth had rising suicide rates after gun control.


And in most suicides I am correct the people who kill themselves do not want to die, most of them go out of their way because they feel unloved or abandoned that they leave every message possible to try and get others to care enough to stop them. It often ends up being after so long of trying to hint at it, and giving away everything they own many finally become convinced that because no one could take the time of day to care they would be better off dead.

This is a society problem, where society does not care, hell look at the golden state bridge, it is the suicide monument of the world, people go there just to kill themselves, and too often not a single person there will stop them or even make an attempt to talk them out of it, they make take their picture though before they just but have zero interest in the wellbeing of their fellow human being.

 

[calamity]

Literally has nothing to do with permitless carry. It was very broad and named a lot of social issues.

You have not shown a single thing that would be related to not having a a permit making a difference.

It clearly stated that the homicide rate went up after the law changed.

 

[Lursa]

It clearly stated that the homicide rate went up after the law changed.

Not that I saw, it said there were numerous changes and also named societal changes. Plus the higher incidences of domestic abuse and recent shootings due to CV19/2020 shut downs.

 

[calamity]

Florida might be another.

Lol...

 

[Glitch]

lol...the Left promotes vaccines; the Right pushes instruments of death. Never before has the difference between the two been more clear.

Texas Senate approves bill allowing people to carry handguns without license

The Texas Senate has voted to advance a bill that will allow people to carry handguns in the state without a license, setting up the state to be the largest in the country to allow p…

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Alaska is already the largest State in the country that allows "permitless" carry, and has been for decades. Once again Texas comes in a distant second to Alaska, but at least they are getting there. Which is more than can be said for the leftist sh*thole States that continue to blatantly violate the Second Amendment.

 

[calamity]

Alaska is already the largest State in the country that allows "permitless" carry, and has been for decades. Once again Texas comes in a distant second to Alaska, but at least they are getting there. Which is more than can be said for the leftist sh*thole States that continue to blatantly violate the Second Amendment.

Empty space does not constitute a "large" state. BTW, Alaska has one of the worst per capita homicide rates in the country. It's right up there with the other backward redneck states like Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Now we know why.

 

[Glitch]

Empty space does not constitute a "large" state.

Size is what determines whether or not a State is "large." Obviously as a leftist you wouldn't know that since you were indoctrinated and not educated.

BTW, Alaska has one of the worst per capita homicide rates in the country. It's right up there with the other backward redneck states like Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Now we know why.

How else can we keep the leftist population down? It seemed like the simplest solution considering the number of firearms in Alaska.

 

[RF667799]

Empty space does not constitute a "large" state. BTW, Alaska has one of the worst per capita homicide rates in the country. It's right up there with the other backward redneck states like Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Now we know why.

From your link:
When the number of deaths is small, rankings by state may be unreliable due to instability in death rates

 

[Glitch]

From your link:
When the number of deaths is small, rankings by state may be unreliable due to instability in death rates

I wouldn't describe them as "unreliable," just highly flexible. The number of murders per 100,000 per year in Alaska has varied between 5 and 15 over the years. That doesn't make them unreliable. Because the population is so low it just makes the ratio more dynamic and likely to have large shifts, both up and down, from year to year.

 

[RF667799]

I wouldn't describe them as "unreliable," just highly flexible. The number of murders per 100,000 per year in Alaska has varied between 5 and 15 over the years. That doesn't make them unreliable. Because the population is so low it just makes the ratio more dynamic and likely to have large shifts, both up and down, from year to year.

Which is why when comparing the rate to a more populated state, the comparison is unreliable. Because that ratio is more dynamic in the less populated state,

 

[TurtleDude]

Empty space does not constitute a "large" state. BTW, Alaska has one of the worst per capita homicide rates in the country. It's right up there with the other backward redneck states like Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama.

Stats of the States - Homicide Mortality

www.cdc.gov

Now we know why.

rednecks-as you call them, are not the ones who create the high firearms homicide rates that you pretend to care about and which our foreign gun haters talk about

 

[Glitch]

Which is why when comparing the rate to a more populated state, the comparison is unreliable. Because that ratio is more dynamic in the less populated state,

I disagree. It is a fair comparison for that given year. While a low population State is going to have a more volatile change, and a high population State is less likely to see any significant changes, it is still a fair comparison for that year.

We have also had years where the wildlife has killed more Alaskans than humans and our murder ratio per 100,000 was as low as Canada's. Since the leftists took control of Anchorage in 2018 the murder rate has shot through the roof. I expect it to fall again once a conservative becomes Mayor of Anchorage. Leftists love their criminals and their riots, which is why they indulge them and why murder rates are so high in Alaska.

 

[RF667799]

I disagree. It is a fair comparison for that given year. While a low population State is going to have a more volatile change, and a high population State is less likely to see any significant changes, it is still a fair comparison for that year.

We have also had years where the wildlife has killed more Alaskans than humans and our murder ratio per 100,000 was as low as Canada's. Since the leftists took control of Anchorage in 2018 the murder rate has shot through the roof. I expect it to fall again once a conservative becomes Mayor of Anchorage. Leftists love their criminals and their riots, which is why they indulge them and why murder rates are so high in Alaska.

Look at it this way:

St. Louis had a homicide rate of 87/100,000 in 2020.

Suppose a small, sleepy country town of 1000 residents experienced a murder/suicide in January that same year, where a guy went off his nut and killed two people and himself. That town would have a homicide rate of 200/100,000, right?

Would it be fair to view that town as over twice as dangerous as St. Louis in 2020 (even though the only murderer is gone)?

When you are talking about a small population as compared to a larger one, the comparison can be distorted.

 

[Glitch]

Look at it this way:

St. Louis had a homicide rate of 87/100,000 in 2020.

Suppose a small, sleepy country town of 1000 residents experienced a murder/suicide in January that same year, where a guy went off his nut and killed two people and himself. That town would have a homicide rate of 200/100,000, right?

Would it be fair to view that town as over twice as dangerous as St. Louis in 2020 (even though the only murderer is gone)?

When you are talking about a small population as compared to a larger one, the comparison can be distorted.

Statistically speaking, yes, it would be fair to categorize that small town as being more than twice as dangerous as St. Louis for 2020. After all, the odds of being shot in that small town in 2020 were more than twice as likely as being shot in St. Louis. Now in 2021, when no one is shot in that small town, St. Louis will still be somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 to 90 murders per 100,000. Which would also be a fair comparison for 2021.

 

[RF667799]

Statistically speaking, yes, it would be fair to categorize that small town as being more than twice as dangerous as St. Louis for 2020. After all, the odds of being shot in that small town in 2020 were more than twice as likely as being shot in St. Louis. Now in 2021, when no one is shot in that small town, St. Louis will still be somewhere in the neighborhood of 85 to 90 murders per 100,000. Which would also be a fair comparison for 2021.

Two people were shot by the same person who then killed himself. So, no. It doesn't mean that. Those two murders weren't a random event.