You are advocating outright theft from the American people.
If a state is leaving the union they have no obligation to respect the debt of the country they are leaving. China can suck it.
If a country is leaving and their federal land on their property and it either be bought or given to the state. I made no mistake.
Nuclear weapons would most likely be returned to the federal government.
That makes no sense. They are citizens of the United States and if they live in another state they naturally would not lose it.
Oh, Im not talking about undoing the doodle. Im talking about secession.
Quantrill
You are advocating outright theft from the American people.
A couple of options: They could remain federal property indefinitely. Or they could remain federal property for a specific period of time, after which they would revert to being owned by texas. They could immediately be made texas property (not a very friendly option, in my opinion). Or they could be purchased. Leaving them as property of the US might be a good option, as they would then provide a good source of tax revenue for texas.
Q: What happens to the share of the national debt that Texans owe?
If I were them, I would do something like this. Since they are appx. 7% of the US population, they owe about 7% of the national debt. They should take on roughly 7% of this debt, relieving the US gov't of paying this amount. Essentially, 7% of the debt would transfer as an obligation to Texas.
Those Texans who renounced their US citizenship and become citizens of Texas would no longer be entitled to these benefits. Those who chose to remain US citizens and reside in Texas as visitors would still be entitled to their benefits.
They could remain in Texas as visiting US citizens, or they could emigrate to the US.
I suppose it would be the same as a US citizen moving to any other foreign nation. They could either live in that foreign nation as a visitor, remaining a citizen of the US, or they could become a citizen of that foreign nation and renounce their US citizenship. After that, the would not longer be entitled to the benefits of being a US citizen, such as social security and medicare.
How does it feel. How does it feel.
Just like the North wanted the South to free its slaves with no compensation.
How does it feel.
Quantrill
Debt:
The US debt is the debt of the United States. Texas debt would 0 at the start of their country unless they accepted to pay a share of the debt of the US.
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You are talking about undoing the doodle. "Maybe we should have thought of that." Yeah, maybe so, but what's done is done. We can't just go back and say, "We'd like a redo."
So the debt that was spent in Texas? What about the debt incurred by Texans who were president. Like Iraq and Medicare?
Oh, I forgot. Texas rules and everyone else can suck it.
So the debt that was spent in Texas? What about the debt incurred by Texans who were president. Like Iraq and Medicare?
Oh, I forgot. Texas rules and everyone else can suck it.
How does it feel. How does it feel.
Didn't matter to the North in 1861-1865.
Quantrill
Lol. They were a president of the United States and the debt is under the name of the United States. It's pretty straight forward.
But I thought slavery had nothing to do with secession. At least keep your story straight.
By the way, human beings aren't property. If you don't like that, go put on your sheets and burn a cross.
It did matter in 1861. Thus the war.
Texas is part of the United States. I think that some of it belongs to them.
If I secede from my family, I still owe money on my house. If my wife gets it in the divorce, it's still on me until she refinances.
Or should we just all be free of our debt? Go "occupy" something...
Texas is part of the United States. I think that some of it belongs to them.
If I secede from my family, I still owe money on my house. If my wife gets it in the divorce, it's still on me until she refinances.
from Centinel on the practical impact of Texas leaving the USA
Q: What happens to the federal land and buildings and workers in Texas?
They should not be allowed to leave unless they pay in full for what they keep.
Again, they must pay their bills BEFORE being allowed to leave. That money is owed to the American people and I as an American citizen would not trust someone who is spitting on the nation and turning traitor.
Q: What happens to Texans and Social Security and Medicare?
I would go much further. Anyone staying in the foreign nation of Texas would be renouncing not only their citizenship in the USA but all benefits as well.
Q: What happens to citizens of Texas who still want to be part of the USA?
Nope. Not good enough. If they stay in Texas - they give up the USA.
Q: What happens to citizens of the other 49 states who now want to move to Texas and their Social Security and Medicare and share of the debt?
It should not be that easy. It should be punitive. It should discourage other states from simply leaving willy nilly as the mood hits them. This should be something not done easily. It should be something that comes with a high price tag both in dollars and in the loss of other benefits.
Texas would indeed be a foreign nation. But it would be unique in that it spit in the face of both America and the American people by leaving our union and giving us the middle finger salute. The rest of us should not be nice about this. The rest of us should make this as hard as possible. Texas would be a foreign nation and we should treat them as a pariah and the people of Texas should know the price they will pay for their insolence.
And that would apply to any other state which wants to go that way.
There must be a price to pay and that price should be a high one.
Howdy,
Let's assume times get tough, the US dollar crashes or something of that magnitude. Would you mind Texas secession if they choose to?
eace
How does it feel. How does it feel.
Didn't matter to the North in 1861-1865.
Quantrill
As I said above, one option would be for Texas not to take federal lands at all but to leave them as owned by the US government. Personally, I favor that option, since taxes on those lands would provide a valuable source of income.
So you would be satisfied if Texas paid its 7% of the US government's debt prior to secession?
I am at a loss trying to understand your vindictive attitude. What particular interest is it of yours whether the people of texas are a state in the US or whether they are a friendly neighbor country like Canada? I don't understand why you have such a stake in being the boss of Texas.
Oh well, the world has always had to deal with power hungry consolidators, and empires never last forever.
I am at a loss trying to understand your vindictive attitude.
Man, the yankee hates to lose his money. They didn't care if the South went broke in freeing the slaves with no compensation. But now they are so afraid of the 'debt'. What hypocrits. Glory, glory, hallelujah.
Quantrill
It wasn't about slavery, yet every post is about "them damn Yankees taking away ouah niggahs."
Interesting how they didn't feel the need to secede over that.
She (Texas) was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time
In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.
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