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Perry signs prostitution diversion bill modeled on Dallas County program.....

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Women arrested for prostitution in the state’s largest counties could get the chance to rehab and rebuild their lives under a new law signed by the governor last week.

Gov. Rick Perry signed signed SB 484, which I wrote about earlier this month, during last week’s flurry of signatures and vetoes. The bill is modeled after Dallas County’s Prostitution Diversion Initiative, which aims to treat those in prostitution as victims rather than criminals by offering a shot at rehab and skills training in lieu of jail time.

Dallas County partners with Dallas police — an officer created the program in 2007 — and volunteer groups that offer services and transitional housing to the alleged prostitutes.

The law will require counties with more than 200,000 people — there are 22 of them in Texas — to start prostitution diversion programs of their own, contingent on receiving state or federal grant funding. That means Dallas County’s program is now enshrined in state law, and that Denton, Collin and Tarrant counties will have to follow suit.

The law will go into effect on Sept. 1.....snip~

Perry signs prostitution diversion bill modeled on Dallas County program | Trail Blazers Blog


What do you think about this Program? Will it work? Some are saying they would have to put together special task forces for this. Is this the better way to go in reducing women in the legal system for such a crime? Texas came up with this idea after the SCOTUS ruled in 2010 that Girls 14 and under could not be charged with Prostitution. Thoughts upon the matter?
 

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Why is it illegal to sell something that is perfectly fine to give away for free?
 

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Smells of more government intrusion into the personal lives of its citizens.

Now of course you have to help those women/men who are doing prostitution to get money for a habit, or are being abused by human traffickers, but there are women and men who join the worlds oldest profession because they choose so. In no way should they be targeted but I suspect that most Americans in this area of the US dont believe in the happy prostitute idea.

And there lies the crux of my issue. Not only should prostitution not be a crime, but it should be taxable as any other jobs and like any other job, abuses in the work place should be punished hard and trafficking of people for what ever... sex or work, should be punished along the lines of rape and attempted murder.
 

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Why is it illegal to sell something that is perfectly fine to give away for free?

Is it free?

A woman goes on a date with a man, and ends up sleeping with him. Now you can easily argue that the woman paid for that dinner and a movie by sleeping with the man.

Or how about marriage. A woman marries a man and according to religious law, the marriage has to be "consummated". Now the question is... does the woman marry the man to get a child, and sex being a by product? Does the woman marry the man to get protection from him and financial security? That she sleeps with him for this, is that not payment for services rendered?

Face it laws against prostitution is a rule/law put in place by wives to keep their husbands in check by punishing the women they sleep with.
 

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Is it free?

A woman goes on a date with a man, and ends up sleeping with him. Now you can easily argue that the woman paid for that dinner and a movie by sleeping with the man.

Or how about marriage. A woman marries a man and according to religious law, the marriage has to be "consummated". Now the question is... does the woman marry the man to get a child, and sex being a by product? Does the woman marry the man to get protection from him and financial security? That she sleeps with him for this, is that not payment for services rendered?

Face it laws against prostitution is a rule/law put in place by wives to keep their husbands in check by punishing the women they sleep with.

Heya Pete. :2wave: It does say they will get grants from the State. It also says federal funding. I don't know how they got that in there if Texas is the Only State doing so at this time.

Houston just joined in on the program too.

Houston tries prostitute rehab instead of jail.....

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There, in stark contrast to Chambers and the other orange-clad inmates, is Kathryn Griffin Grinan — a former prostitute who now dons a business suit and heels as she transforms her nonprofit, We've Been There Done That, into a taxpayer-funded program that is teaming up with law enforcement and the court system to reform these women.

"You can be healed from this. You just got to be ready and want to," Griffin said, recalling how she went from being a college student to the lowest of street walkers. "We just prostitutes ... nobody cares about us. Well, because I was there and I felt that same way and I broke it, I knew that I could share it and break it in others."

The program has been so successful the Texas Legislature passed a bill this session requiring other large cities to create their own.....snip~

Houston tries prostitute rehab instead of jail

Yet, if they just started this program. How can they be calling it a success already. I also Agree with you Pete.....what about those Women who weren't coerced or force into such a way of life. Wherein they chose to Be an Escort. Or Call-girl. I don't think they could be considered Victims. Which brings up a the point of the Texas LEs treating them as victims rather than criminals.
 

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Is it free?

A woman goes on a date with a man, and ends up sleeping with him. Now you can easily argue that the woman paid for that dinner and a movie by sleeping with the man.

Or how about marriage. A woman marries a man and according to religious law, the marriage has to be "consummated". Now the question is... does the woman marry the man to get a child, and sex being a by product? Does the woman marry the man to get protection from him and financial security? That she sleeps with him for this, is that not payment for services rendered?

Face it laws against prostitution is a rule/law put in place by wives to keep their husbands in check by punishing the women they sleep with.

Prostitution laws, religious and state, were written by men.
 

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I can't post this enough: MANY Texas Legislators and especially Rick Perry are fanatical extremist. Rick Perry is a fanatic without a cause.

Didn't anybody follow along with Perry when he was campaigning for the Republican presidential candidacy nomination? He is a total dimwit! He is a moron!

Let me add...Perry is more worried about Prostitutes than starving kids in Texas. Or whether or not Texas kids and read or write. He's an idiot!
 
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Some prostitutes refer to that life as a hole you can't climb out of.

Personally, I would like to see a program like this succeed, and I don't have issues with it being taxpayer funded until further studies can be done to see just how successful it is. The situation in many places has far exceeded the capabilities and resources of charity groups that have been doing this for decades, and unfortunately statistics of success aren't readily available on the internet (or I was just looking in the wrong places) to see if it really can make a difference in the lives of some people.

Personally, any program that actually gives skills training rather than a just a hand out, I will do my best to support.
 

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Yes because putting more woman in jail will clearly fix the problem.
 

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Some prostitutes refer to that life as a hole you can't climb out of.

Personally, I would like to see a program like this succeed, and I don't have issues with it being taxpayer funded until further studies can be done to see just how successful it is. The situation in many places has far exceeded the capabilities and resources of charity groups that have been doing this for decades, and unfortunately statistics of success aren't readily available on the internet (or I was just looking in the wrong places) to see if it really can make a difference in the lives of some people.

Personally, any program that actually gives skills training rather than a just a hand out, I will do my best to support.

While I generally agree that helping to educate folks (at taxpayer expense) is a valid function of state gov't, I disagree that qualification for (or even priority admission to) such a program should be based on the demonstration of criminal behavior of any kind.
 

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I can't post this enough: MANY Texas Legislators and especially Rick Perry are fanatical extremist. Rick Perry is a fanatic without a cause.

Didn't anybody follow along with Perry when he was campaigning for the Republican presidential candidacy nomination? He is a total dimwit! He is a moron!

Let me add...Perry is more worried about Prostitutes than starving kids in Texas. Or whether or not Texas kids and read or write. He's an idiot!

I agree. How did criminal protitution become a priority for a jobs skills training program? Naturally the article does not address the specific benefits to be offered, but the principle of giving head of line admission to any taxpayer funded training program based on exhibiting criminal behavior is simply insane.
 

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I agree. How did criminal protitution become a priority for a jobs skills training program? Naturally the article does not address the specific benefits to be offered, but the principle of giving head of line admission to any taxpayer funded training program based on exhibiting criminal behavior is simply insane.

You said "giving head". :lol:
 

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While I generally agree that helping to educate folks (at taxpayer expense) is a valid function of state gov't, I disagree that qualification for (or even priority admission to) such a program should be based on the demonstration of criminal behavior of any kind.

Heya Ttwtt . :2wave: The other aspect I was noticing was how many are involved into drug operations or involved with drugs. Which then how many have been put in a drug rehab and given an opportunity to turn their lives around? Which I have seen many sent to a Drug Clinic rather than be given time. So how long before the courts just uses the program for the money? More like for Court Supervision instead.
 

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While I generally agree that helping to educate folks (at taxpayer expense) is a valid function of state gov't, I disagree that qualification for (or even priority admission to) such a program should be based on the demonstration of criminal behavior of any kind.

To a point, I agree with you.

However, considering the 'crime' these people are involved in, and the reason they are usually involved in it, I would much prefer to see them given a means to change the situation, improve themselves in the process, and not have them taking up jail space better reserved for those who have committed a crime of a higher degree.
 

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I agree. How did criminal protitution become a priority for a jobs skills training program? Naturally the article does not address the specific benefits to be offered, but the principle of giving head of line admission to any taxpayer funded training program based on exhibiting criminal behavior is simply insane.

The whole thing is beyond me. Texas has so many more problems. Especially problems related to kids. I've decided that Texas has become the Nation's Leading Population of Morons...thanks to the radical politics that has impacted Texas for the past couple of decades. Sad...
 

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Some prostitutes refer to that life as a hole you can't climb out of.

Personally, I would like to see a program like this succeed, and I don't have issues with it being taxpayer funded until further studies can be done to see just how successful it is. The situation in many places has far exceeded the capabilities and resources of charity groups that have been doing this for decades, and unfortunately statistics of success aren't readily available on the internet (or I was just looking in the wrong places) to see if it really can make a difference in the lives of some people.

Personally, any program that actually gives skills training rather than a just a hand out, I will do my best to support.

As a native Texan I can tell you that we have social problems so more severe than prostitution. They comprise such a small percentage of persons in Texas that could really use skills training.

Besides..."prostitutes do have job skills already". Why is prostitution illegal? Bible-Belt Religious nuts in Texas...that's why!
 

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As a native Texan I can tell you that we have social problems so more severe than prostitution. They comprise such a small percentage of persons in Texas that could really use skills training.

Besides..."prostitutes do have job skills already". Why is prostitution illegal? Bible-Belt Religious nuts in Texas...that's why!

Well truthfully it is Illegal here in Chicago just as much as in Texas. Course I doubt much can be said its due to the Bible thumpers here.
 

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As a native Texan I can tell you that we have social problems so more severe than prostitution. They comprise such a small percentage of persons in Texas that could really use skills training.

Besides..."prostitutes do have job skills already". Why is prostitution illegal? Bible-Belt Religious nuts in Texas...that's why!

I know Texas has social problems, my cousins live there. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, would not having at least A program, rather than NO program, be beneficial? There are those who would complain that there is no social program to help X, Y or Z, but don't appreciate that there IS programs to help to help A, B and C.

I don't think prostitution should be illegal, but unfortunately the participants quite often have drug and/or emotional problems that drive them into the trade, making it even more difficult to legalize it based on people's perceptions of the participants involved.
 

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I know Texas has social problems, my cousins live there. :mrgreen:

Seriously though, would not having at least A program, rather than NO program, be beneficial? There are those who would complain that there is no social program to help X, Y or Z, but don't appreciate that there IS programs to help to help A, B and C.

I don't think prostitution should be illegal, but unfortunately the participants quite often have drug and/or emotional problems that drive them into the trade, making it even more difficult to legalize it based on people's perceptions of the participants involved.

Resources for social issues in Texas...are really becoming more and more scarce. And if we can't better educate children...make sure that their basic needs are met...then many themselves will fall into the criminal category. But rather than focusing on really important issues, this nonsense comes to the forefront of all of the social issues that plague Texas.

Educated kids means less crime, more jobs...and better paying jobs. Texas claims they create more jobs than most other states. Uh huh, more minimum wage jobs. More underemployed jobs that don't meet basic needs of families.

Sorry, I just can't agree with nonsense spending on prostitutes. I'd rather see a few hungry kids fed.

In case you don't know it. Perry axed medicaid that effects so many poor children in Texas.

We have tons of ****ed up people in Texas who sincerely need social, and job training skills taught to them. But I can assure you that in the end, the percentage of those who would truly take advantage of such programs would be few.

Texas Legislators are despicable radical creeps.
 

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Prostitution laws, religious and state, were written by men.

Of course they were... because men were the only ones allowed in politics when said laws were put in place or thought off. Does not change the fact that wives and the Church have a vested interest in having such laws.. especially when "marriage" was arranged due to political or economic pressures.
 

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Resources for social issues in Texas...are really becoming more and more scarce. And if we can't better educate children...make sure that their basic needs are met...then many themselves will fall into the criminal category. But rather than focusing on really important issues, this nonsense comes to the forefront of all of the social issues that plague Texas.

Educated kids means less crime, more jobs...and better paying jobs. Texas claims they create more jobs than most other states. Uh huh, more minimum wage jobs. More underemployed jobs that don't meet basic needs of families.

Sorry, I just can't agree with nonsense spending on prostitutes. I'd rather see a few hungry kids fed.

In case you don't know it. Perry axed medicaid that effects so many poor children in Texas.

We have tons of ****ed up people in Texas who sincerely need social, and job training skills taught to them. But I can assure you that in the end, the percentage of those who would truly take advantage of such programs would be few.

Texas Legislators are despicable radical creeps.

Exactly what did Perry axe? This is for my own edification.

There is a program list on the Texas Medicaid website, which seems to be fairly comprehensive....

Texas Medicaid Program - Overview Info
 

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I can't post this enough: MANY Texas Legislators and especially Rick Perry are fanatical extremist. Rick Perry is a fanatic without a cause.

Didn't anybody follow along with Perry when he was campaigning for the Republican presidential candidacy nomination? He is a total dimwit! He is a moron!

Let me add...Perry is more worried about Prostitutes than starving kids in Texas. Or whether or not Texas kids and read or write. He's an idiot!

Yeah, what a bunch of extremists! The crazy bastards want to treat prostitutes as victims instead of criminals! I bet next they're going to say that hookers are people too!
 

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The following might help you understand. And reading back, I wasn't clearly defining the problem.

Long Struggle Ahead for Medicaid Expansion Advocates in Texas

So it's more along the line of not expanding it to include additional low income families with children, not that anything was cut from the existing programs.

Tennessee also opted out, but is discussing additional in-state programs for the low income groups. I'll reserve judgment on them until I see what they have come up with.
 

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Yeah, what a bunch of extremists! The crazy bastards want to treat prostitutes as victims instead of criminals! I bet next they're going to say that hookers are people too!

Victims? Victims of what? I always assumed prostitutes were people. But are they people who need public assistance to get a better job?

Obviously, the problem is depends on whether or not a working girl has a good pimp or not. Musicians often get bad agents...and so do movie stars, tv stars, etc. Pimps...are like agents. Better yet, maybe it's time to legalize prostitution so they can form a union and become free agents...or primp free.
 
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