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It doesn't really matter who the problem is, the point is that a campus full of alcohol and guns is a tragedy waiting to happen.
If you view the alcohol (rather than the guns) as being the primary problem and know of a way to prevent college students who want to drink from drinking, let's deal with that first. THEN maybe we can talk about having guns on campus.
The reason I'm opposed to guns on most residential campuses is the same reason that I don't think people should be allowed to bring a gun into a bar or club: the alcohol.
What would you propose as more constitutional limitations? Or should we be allowed to open-carry anywhere?
I'm of the opinion that everyone should be trained in the safe handling and use of weapons. As a mandatory class in high school.
Have you guys been on a college campus recently? Specifically a non-commuter school with a large student population living on campus? Maybe this comes as a shock to some people, but college students like to drink alcohol...a lot. And at that age, they're often relatively new to alcohol and don't know their limits. Do you really want people to have guns in close proximity after they've just consumed 8 beers and are acting belligerent?
I say if 18yo kids aren't old enough to be trusted as adults with a pistol, then they can't tried as adults in a court of law. They are either 100% adults and are treated and trusted as such, or they are 0% adults and can not be treated or tried as such.
Gotta pick one, can't have both.
What are the rules of engagement? If someone else flashes theirs first does that make them the starter of the firefight? Is it illegal to duel? What can't I do with my gun?
If liquor is not allowed on campus and they choose to drink, **** them, expel them. I have no sympathy.
OK, get back to me when you've done that, then we'll talk about guns. Until then, let's be pragmatic. I think it's better if drunk college kids WEREN'T carrying guns when they decide to get in fights with each other.
Yep, Broseph Brosephson of Kappa Kappa Kappa is quite the patriot. He can easily fight state oppression with his musket while showing his frat brothers how much beer he can chug at the same time. :roll:
What would you propose as more constitutional limitations? Or should we be allowed to open-carry anywhere?
Sex Ed, Drivers Ed, Firearms Ed, Home Ec./Budgeting should all be mandatory.
When you're banning the wrong behavior, of course it matters who's the problem.
Jerry said:In my state it doesn't matter where you are, you simply are not allowed to be legally intoxicated while in possession of a firearm.
Additionally, we aren't allowed to carry inside a business "who derive at least half their income from the sale of alcohol". This includes bars and liquor stores.
American said:Have you been on a college campus? Drinking isn't allowed, or didn't you know?
I'm conflicted on this one. Young people don't always show the best judgment.
I worry about people who have no training in gun safety getting hurt of hurting someone else unintentionally.
I have the same concerns about adults.
If they know what they are doing, No problem.
The fact is that many campuses have lots of alcohol on them, whether it's allowed or not. And as long as that remains the case, it's better to not have guns nearby.
Those seem like pretty reasonable laws to me. I'd add many college campuses to that list though for the same reason...they're full of drunk people. It's not a matter of trying to stamp out gun ownership everywhere, it's just a matter of preventing an easily-foreseeable situation from becoming deadly.
Depends where you go to school. I've attended four universities and none of them banned drinking. And even if they would have, I suspect that the ban wouldn't have had much of an effect on actual student behavior.
Just like gun free zones have very little effect on a criminal's behavior.
Except I'm not talking about people who are normally considered "criminals," who carry guns with the deliberate intent to commit crimes. I'm talking about drunken frat morons who get into fights, and it's probably better if they didn't have a gun onhand at the time.
So you make assumptions, stereotypes, and hyperbole to make an argument against allowing guns on campus.
Ikari said:Can you make an argument against it using sound logic, numbers, and rational thought? There are campuses that allows guns to be carried on campus. THere are campuses which allow alcohol on campus. And there are campuses that do both. How about some stats instead of your assumptions? You got any of that? Or do you still have nothing?
YOU are the one who is making vicious attacks against anyone who prefers a pragmatic approach instead of a demagogue approach. :roll:
I'm not sure any studies have ever examined the relationship. Nothing comes up on Google anyway. I really don't know what exactly you're PMSing about...which of my points do you disagree with? Are you disputing that drunk people with guns are a potential threat to public safety? If not, take your medicine and calm down.
The fact is that many campuses have lots of alcohol on them, whether it's allowed or not. And as long as that remains the case, it's better to not have guns nearby.
Those seem like pretty reasonable laws to me. I'd add many college campuses to that list though for the same reason...they're full of drunk people. It's not a matter of trying to stamp out gun ownership everywhere, it's just a matter of preventing an easily-foreseeable situation from becoming deadly.
DiAnna.....you have to be 21 to perches a pistol. That's federal law.
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