Texas Muslims Want to Build Homes and a Mosque. The Governor Says No. (2 Viewers)

[ColdHardTruth]

Oh but they do. Why wouldn't they?

Well, I could just as easily say your's is a bull shit attempt.

But, prove me wrong.

Lees

I have already posted actually evidence (web sites and documentation) which evidence my points.

The US IS NOT a Christian nation.

We have no state religion. It's going to stay that way.

 

[Gardener]

Your Google finger broken?

I did find some ugly ghetto noise.

Is that what you are referencing?

 

[Fledermaus]

The Mayflower Compact: Nov. 11, 1620

"In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjcets of our dread sovereign lord, King James, by the grace of God, of Great Britain, faranc, alnd Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these present, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God and one of another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic, for our better ordering and preservation....."

Lees

One settlement =/= A nation.

Those dates indicate the founding of America. Whereby everywhere churches were built among the communities. Not mosques... churches. Because the people were Christian. And our laws were based upon the Judeo/Christian faith. Not Islamic faith.

Lees

The area now known as America existed long before the appearance of Europeans.

 

[Lees]

That was pre-revolution. It has NOTHING to do with the founding of the United States.

Concerning the ratification of the Constitution concerning the State of Virginia. "Done in Convention this twent seventh day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty eight."

Concerning the ratification of the Constituton concerning the State of New York. "Done in convention at Poughkeepsie in the County of Dutchess in the State of New York the twenty sisth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and eighty eight."

That is revolution days.

Lees

 

[Lees]

More hateful bullshit.

Just stop.

No, more proof that America is founded upon the Christian faith. The hateful bullshit comes from you. Chruches sprang up everywhere...no mosques.

Why?

Lees

 

[Lees]

One settlement =/= A nation.



The area now known as America existed long before the appearance of Europeans.

It is the first American body politic and is Christian. As a result Christianity would grow in America and affect our complete way of life. America in it's orign was Christian.

Lees

 

[Bonnot]

Abbot is just your typical christian nationalist aka a christian supremacist.

 

[Fledermaus]

It is the first American body politic and is Christian. As a result Christianity would grow in America and affect our complete way of life. America in it's orign was Christian.

Lees

Christianity influenced the laws and beliefs of much of the United States.

Christianity was never the national religion.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I did find some ugly ghetto noise.

Is that what you are referencing?

No.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

No, more proof that America is founded upon the Christian faith. The hateful bullshit comes from you. Chruches sprang up everywhere...no mosques.

Why?

Lees

You have been proven wrong.

Our founding fathers stated it clearly. This country is not founded on Christianity, and we ARE NOT a Christian nation.

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/the-us-a-christian-nation-not-according-to-the-fou

Please stop spreading unfounded lies.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Concerning the ratification of the Constitution concerning the State of Virginia. "Done in Convention this twent seventh day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty eight."

Concerning the ratification of the Constituton concerning the State of New York. "Done in convention at Poughkeepsie in the County of Dutchess in the State of New York the twenty sisth day of July in the year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and eighty eight."

That is revolution days.

Lees

You are not getting it.

The founding fathers were religious. The county WAS NOT founded on Christianity, and it is not now, nor has it ever been, a Christian nation.

The U.S. a Christian Nation? Not According to the Founders!

Pence and Sessions are but two prominent Americans in and out of politics today who continue refueling a centuries-old controversy over the role of religion in American life.

www.historynewsnetwork.org

 

[Nickyjo]

Of course Christianity has helped establish the laws of the U.S. And the Shariah law of Islam is an enemy of such. It is a big deal.

Lees

You are repeating the same sort of thing some people said about Catholics, or going way back before 1776, about the various faiths that settled in the colonies. (Catholics have loyalty to a foreign ruler in Rome, people said. They worshipped a female God, Mary.) Then there was the “blood libel” about Jews and Christian babies.

And you seem to underestimate how US culture comes to influence any religion, how the religion is changed by our country even as it changes our country a bit, or how varied Islam is. Same old song, different beat.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No, more proof that America is founded upon the Christian faith. The hateful bullshit comes from you. Chruches sprang up everywhere...no mosques.

Why?

Lees

If America was founded on the Christian faith (it wasn’t), why is there no mention of “God” anywhere in the foundational document of our country, the United States Constitution?

And, if America was founded on the Christian faith (again, it wasn’t), why does our Constitution specifically guarantee Americans freedom of religion, and freedom from religion?

Anyone with knowledge of the history of our country’s beginnings knows that many of the founding fathers and signers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution did not identify as Christian’s, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and others.

 

[Lees]

You are not getting it.

The founding fathers were religious. The county WAS NOT founded on Christianity, and it is not now, nor has it ever been, a Christian nation.

The U.S. a Christian Nation? Not According to the Founders!

Pence and Sessions are but two prominent Americans in and out of politics today who continue refueling a centuries-old controversy over the role of religion in American life.

www.historynewsnetwork.org

"In the year of our Lord". And that Lord is Jesus Christ.

Lees

 

[multivita-man]

It is the first American body politic and is Christian. As a result Christianity would grow in America and affect our complete way of life. America in it's orign was Christian.

America in its origin was a European colony. Should we go back to that?

 

[Lees]

If America was founded on the Christian faith (it wasn’t), why is there no mention of “God” anywhere in the foundational document of our country, the United States Constitution?

And, if America was founded on the Christian faith (again, it wasn’t), why does our Constitution specifically guarantee Americans freedom of religion, and freedom from religion?

Anyone with knowledge of the history of our country’s beginnings knows that many of the founding fathers and signers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution did not identify as Christian’s, including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, and others.

Freedom of religion doesn't mean America was not founded on the Christian faith.

When the President is inaugurated why is one hand on the Bible? Answer: Because America was founded on the Christian faith.

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[Lees]

America in its origin was a European colony. Should we go back to that?

Go back to whatever you like. I just showed you that the first American body politic, was Christian. America is Christian at it's roots.

Lees

 

[multivita-man]

Freedom of religion doesn't mean America was not founded on the Christian faith.

It wasn't founded on Christian faith.

Christianity (pick your denomination) was a social influence to be certain, but the founders of the country didn't want a national religion - that's pretty obvious.

When the President is inaugurated why is one hand on the Bible?

It doesn't actually have to be on the Bible. It could be on a comic book if that's what the incoming dude wants.

Answer: Because America was founded on the Christian faith.

Nope.

 

[Lees]

You are repeating the same sort of thing some people said about Catholics, or going way back before 1776, about the various faiths that settled in the colonies. (Catholics have loyalty to a foreign ruler in Rome, people said. They worshipped a female God, Mary.) Then there was the “blood libel” about Jews and Christian babies.

And you seem to underestimate how US culture comes to influence any religion, how the religion is changed by our country even as it changes our country a bit, or how varied Islam is. Same old song, different beat.

Actually America was established in the Protestant vein of Christianity. Not the Roman.

Lees

 

[multivita-man]

Go back to whatever you like. I just showed you that the first American body politic, was Christian.

I just showed you the first American body politic was being a subject of a King.

America is Christian at it's roots.

America is a colony at its roots - a violent, oppressive one at that, but still a colony, not a nation-state.

How's that for originalism?

 

[Lees]

It wasn't founded on Christian faith.

Christianity (pick your denomination) was a social influence to be certain, but the founders of the country didn't want a national religion - that's pretty obvious.



It doesn't actually have to be on the Bible. It could be on a comic book if that's what the incoming dude wants.



Nope.

But it is on the Bible. Because America was established in the Chrisitan faith.

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[Lees]

I just showed you the first American body politic was being a subject of a King.



America is a colony at its roots - a violent, oppressive one at that, but still a colony, not a nation-state.

How's that for originalism?

A Christian colony. A Christian body politic.

Lees

 

[Lees]

You have been proven wrong.

Our founding fathers stated it clearly. This country is not founded on Christianity, and we ARE NOT a Christian nation.

https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/the-us-a-christian-nation-not-according-to-the-fou

Please stop spreading unfounded lies.

Oh yes, America was founded on the Christian faith. You can deny it all day long but I have showed you that it was. Churches sprang up all over America. Not Mosques. Why? Because America was Christian.

I'm not the one lying.

Lees

 

[multivita-man]

But it is on the Bible.

It's not.

John Quincy Adams took the oath of office on a law book. Teddy Roosevelt didn't even use a book. It's not required. They are required to take an oath - that's it. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Because America was established in the Chrisitan faith.

No, it wasn't.

 

[Lees]

It's not.

John Quincy Adams took the oath of office on a law book. Teddy Roosevelt didn't even use a book. It's not required. They are required to take an oath - that's it. You have no idea what you're talking about.



No, it wasn't.

Those are exceptions. The vast majority always place their hand on the Bible. Begining with George Washington. Thus the origin of America is Christian.

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