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No, I just want you to honestly answer my question. I don't understand why you struggle so hard to avoid answering it.
Do you agree this legislation was a waste of taxpayer time and money?
It's a simple question. Why do you avoid answering it?
It's not though. It's actually very relevant. In both cases, we had legislation introduced which had no chance of passing. I suspect in the case of Obamacare, you thought the antics were a waste of time and money, but you seem to support THIS waste of time and money. So why do you support a waste of time and money for one instance but not for the other?
Look, if you just want to say you're being partisan and are wanting to ignore the giant hypocrisy of the positions, I'll let it go. Some honesty would be refreshing. You've always struck me as a fairly honest person, so I could respect the honesty. But, right now, you seem to be holding a view that it's okay for one and not for another and when you are point blank asked to answer a simple question, you write multiple paragraphs to avoid answering the simple question.
It's a yes or no question. Do you agree this legislation introduced by the Democrat in Texas was a waste of taxpayer time and money? I'm fully aware of all the other context you're trying to provide, I'm just saying it's irrelevant because there are far more effective ways to fight than to waste time and money.
Yes or no...do you agree this legislation is a waste of taxpayer time and money?
Then you should have no problem indulging me once more. Do you agree this legislation is a waste of taxpayer time and money. And, if not, why do you feel (as I suspect you do) the Republican repeal of Obamacare was a waste of time and money, when both legislations had no chance of passing?I've made my opinions regarding this legislative action by Jessica Farrar.
Actually, quite the opposite. I'm hoping to not have to label you as such. But you're not making it easy, given how you still won't directly answer my question.Do you want to label me as a partisan hack?
Honesty. I'm a big fan of honesty. This legislation is a waste of time and money. You know it as well as I do, but only one of us is willing to say it.You have a motive here. What is it?
Comparison. If you feel Republican legislation on Obamacare was a waste of time and money, then you should feel this is a waste of time and money for the same reasons.What's your point regarding the obamacare issues, Republicans/Democrats, etc,...not related to this thread?
Then you should have no problem indulging me once more. Do you agree this legislation is a waste of taxpayer time and money. And, if not, why do you feel (as I suspect you do) the Republican repeal of Obamacare was a waste of time and money, when both legislations had no chance of passing?
Actually, quite the opposite. I'm hoping to not have to label you as such. But you're not making it easy, given how you still won't directly answer my question.
Honesty. I'm a big fan of honesty. This legislation is a waste of time and money. You know it as well as I do, but only one of us is willing to say it.
You want to spin all these other reasons about how bad Republicans in Texas are acting with regards to abortion, but none of those things matter because there are better ways to fight those stupid things than with stupid. This legislation is stupid, but you won't admit it.
My motive is honesty, I want you to be honest. I want you to honestly say this legislation is stupid, or honestly explain why it's okay for one person to waste time and money but not another.
Comparison. If you feel Republican legislation on Obamacare was a waste of time and money, then you should feel this is a waste of time and money for the same reasons.
Everything I have said has been honest. And my position is unchanged regarding wasting taxpayer time and money. What's not honest about anything I've said?Funny, you claiming to be a big fan of honesty. Really?
It's the "you don't" see her actions as being wasteful which is the problem. I'm not trying to narrow you down to partisanship, as I said, I'm quite hoping that's not who you are.What I see you doing is trying to narrow my argument down to me making a purely partisan argument against Republicans...but more in particular why I believe all of the right wing in the Texas Legislature are ASSHOLES to the upteen degree with all of their anti-abortion and attacks on women's health programs - and why I don't identify the Democrats in the Texas Legislature as asshole, but more in particular because you see Farra's efforts as being childish, a waste of taxpayer's time and money..."and I don't".
Every legislative attack on women by Texas's radical Republicans, along with the hardcore radical 5th Circuit of Appeals Count have ALL BEEN KICKED OUT by the Supreme Court of the United States. The Texas Republican legislators KNEW that they were wasting taxpayers time and money by creating legislation that everybody who has the ability to read them knows that these efforts are unconstitutional.
If my wife spends half of our weekly income on a pet rock, does it make sense for me to show her the error of her ways by going out and buy a pet rock too? Obviously not, it just means we both wasted money.So now Jessica Farra steps up and and makes an example of just how CHILDISH bull**** that the hard right in the Texas Legislature's efforts and have been...and far more costly than her pointing it out via her bill.
But they are! That's exactly what this legislation is...a ridiculous legislative attempt to mock their political opponents' positions and doing so by wasting taxpayer time and money. And yet, you're not critical, you're supportive and you're adversarial with someone who IS critical.If it had been Democrats had been on the warpath with the same ridiculous legislative attempts I'd be just as critical.
We aren't talking about Obamacare, we're talking about Republicans wasting time and money on legislation that was never going to pass.So then you leap to the national political stage and head straight to Obamacare. Gosh, how could I possibly appease your need for me to answer your question about that fiasco?
Everything I have said has been honest. And my position is unchanged regarding wasting taxpayer time and money. What's not honest about anything I've said?
It's the "you don't" see her actions as being wasteful which is the problem. I'm not trying to narrow you down to partisanship, as I said, I'm quite hoping that's not who you are.
But, so far, you've really not given me a single argument as to why this legislation isn't wasteful aside from "Don't you see how bad those Republicans in Texas are!". That's essentially been your entire argument to justify this waste of time and money.
And I don't support their wasting of time and money either. So, what...because Republicans waste time and money, it's okay for this legislator to waste time and money? And you AREN'T making a partisan position because...why again?
If my wife spends half of our weekly income on a pet rock, does it make sense for me to show her the error of her ways by going out and buy a pet rock too? Obviously not, it just means we both wasted money.
But they are! That's exactly what this legislation is...a ridiculous legislative attempt to mock their political opponents' positions and doing so by wasting taxpayer time and money. And yet, you're not critical, you're supportive and you're adversarial with someone who IS critical.
I don't want to call your argument partisan, but it's really the only thing which is consistent in your argument.
We aren't talking about Obamacare, we're talking about Republicans wasting time and money on legislation that was never going to pass.
If you'd like, we can instead focus on legislation in Texas which they know is going to be struck down by higher courts. Or we can focus on similar legislation in Missouri. I don't care where the legislation is, I just care that you seem to only care about legislators wasting time and money when it's for causes you oppose and not for causes you support.
Whereas with me, I don't support wasting time and money for anything. I don't support the anti-choice movement (in Texas or anywhere) and I do support the right of a person to make decisions about their own body, but I DON'T support wasting taxpayer time and money on useless legislation only intended to mock people. You, on the other hand, seem to have no problem with wasting time and money in an effort to mock people, but only for causes you support.
So how is that not partisan?
Yes. Are you going to finally answer the question?You've milked the bull to death. Anything else?
Yes. Are you going to finally answer the question?
So you aren't going to finally answer the question I've repeatedly asked you? No one could make up meanings to your posts if you'd just answer the simple question.We're done. You seem to like making up the meanings of my posts. Carry on.
So you aren't going to finally answer the question I've repeatedly asked you? No one could make up meanings to your posts if you'd just answer the simple question.
Why won't you answer the simple question?
I haven't failed to understand, you just haven't answer the question. You have told me all the reasons that Republicans are bad, but you have never said if this Democrat's legislation is stupid and a waste of taxpayer money. It's a simple yes or no question and you refuse to answer it.Why have you failed to under my answers?
No, I think I have a pretty good grasp on why you won't answer the question. :thumbs:Obviously my posts are above your comprehension.
Again, I understand fine. But nothing you have said answers the question. You keep telling me how bad Republicans are, but you won't simply say yes or no as to whether you think this legislation is a waste of taxpayer time and money, even as you rail against Republicans who pass legislation which you claim they know will be struck down by the courts as a waste of time and money.If you don't understand the points I've made
I haven't failed to understand, you just haven't answer the question. You have told me all the reasons that Republicans are bad, but you have never said if this Democrat's legislation is stupid and a waste of taxpayer money. It's a simple yes or no question and you refuse to answer it.
No, I think I have a pretty good grasp on why you won't answer the question. :thumbs:!
Again, I understand fine. But nothing you have said answers the question. You keep telling me how bad Republicans are, but you won't simply say yes or no as to whether you think this legislation is a waste of taxpayer time and money, even as you rail against Republicans who pass legislation which you claim they know will be struck down by the courts as a waste of time and money.
No, I'm fairly certain I understand just fine why you won't answer my question. And it disappoints me, because I was really hoping you were different.
Yes, everyone on this forum knows what a sucker I am for the Republican Party.I see, I've hurt your feelings about Texas Republican Legislators.
I don't believe you did. If you had, I wouldn't have kept asking.Gosh I have been been clear that while you consider Farra's bill a waste of taxpayers time and money I've already state that "I DONT"! I stated that eons ago
I honestly could not care less which party does a better or worse job of running Texas. That's not the point at all.Texas hasn't Democrats in control for neat 3 decades. Thus it can be said that in my opinion the Republican controlled Legislation has been detrimental to Texas' general welfare - more than the Democrats have been.
I'm not though. I've told you numerous times I was hoping you wouldn't be partisan, but that your posts made it hard to come to any other conclusion.So you want to play a "patisan gotcha game" because I show myself a Independent. That's mighty self-righteous of you.
Oh, I don't care if you dislike the Texas Republicans, I have plenty of issues with the things they've done myself. My disappointment was in the fact you seem to criticize Republicans for the same thing you applaud in Democrats.I really don't care if I've disappointed you, that my positions regarding the Texas Republican Legislators appears to be so brutal and unfair in your eyes.
Has nothing to do with "Independent" but rather consistency. I couldn't give a flying fig what your political lean is. You condemn in Republicans what you seem to celebrate in Democrats. That's what disappoints me.So with this said, your opinions about me will last until you find another poster who doesn't meet your perceptions about what constitutes a true independent
Good for you, don't really care.Sadly I wasted about 2/3rds of my voting life voting primarily for Republicans. And even then I also voted for Democrats, even. And Libertarian or two.
Today I find all political parties to self-will-run-riot because can. The corruption is mind blowing, no matter the party or political philosophy.
Yes, everyone on this forum knows what a sucker I am for the Republican Party.
I don't believe you did. If you had, I wouldn't have kept asking.
Which then brings us to our second point. You seemed opposed to Republicans passing legislation that the courts were just going to strike down and I believe you called them a waste of money. So why is this different?
I honestly could not care less which party does a better or worse job of running Texas. That's not the point at all.
I'm not though. I've told you numerous times I was hoping you wouldn't be partisan, but that your posts made it hard to come to any other conclusion.
Oh, I don't care if you dislike the Texas Republicans, I have plenty of issues with the things they've done myself. My disappointment was in the fact you seem to criticize Republicans for the same thing you applaud in Democrats.
Has nothing to do with "Independent" but rather consistency. I couldn't give a flying fig what your political lean is. You condemn in Republicans what you seem to celebrate in Democrats. That's what disappoints me.
Good for you, don't really care.
What I care about is why you think "The Texas Republican legislators KNEW that they were wasting taxpayers time and money by creating legislation that everybody who has the ability to read them knows that these efforts are unconstitutional." but don't think Farrar's legislation was a waste of taxpayer time and money when everybody who has the ability to read it knows it stands no chance of getting passed.
Why is one okay and not the other? Why is it okay to create legislation to mock which will never pass, but not okay to pass legislation which isn't going to pass the courts? Why the inconsistency? I've asked you that numerous times and you have yet to give me an answer which doesn't basically boil down to "Republicans are bad!".
Why the inconsistency? If you don't want to be considered partisan, then give me a non-partisan answer to this question, a question which I've also asked you multiple times.
Nothing to do with what I like, merely interested if you are consistent in what you believe.Wow, if you don't like my belief system regarding politics
Absolutely. And if you want to be honest in hypocrisy, I have no problem with that. There are some issues (non-political mostly) in which I know I'm hypocritical and I openly and honestly admit to it.I have the right to condemn any persons, parties, philosophical, legislation, or SC decision in any manner I want.
No, not inconsistent with what I believe, but inconsistent about what you profess to believe. That's what I'm getting at.If you believe my criticisms to be inconsistent to how you perceive they should be
Nothing to do with what I like, merely interested if you are consistent in what you believe.
Absolutely. And if you want to be honest in hypocrisy, I have no problem with that. There are some issues (non-political mostly) in which I know I'm hypocritical and I openly and honestly admit to it.
Is that you on this subject? Do you acknowledge the hypocrisy of condemning for one what you applaud in the other?
No, not inconsistent with what I believe, but inconsistent about what you profess to believe. That's what I'm getting at.
No, not really. I'm interested in determining if your positions are consistent or selective.You're merely interested? Oh, no, it's much more than that.
Not at all. I'm posting on an Internet debate forum, I obviously have nothing else I'd rather be doing. So, I watch some basketball and point out the inconsistency in your position, while amusing myself with the fact you won't answer simple questions to avoid admitting your true beliefs.So you to repeatedly engaged me to inform me about what you've judged as my hypocrisies and inconsistencies...am I ruining your life?
You're welcome. You're also still not answering the question.Well, I feel blessed to have been confronted from a saint, a man of pure honesty, integrity.
I haven't attacked you once. I've given you many opportunities to clarify your position and explain why your position is not based in partisanship. I've even offered to make you feel better if you acknowledge your position is hypocritical, by pointing out I'm open and honest in my everyday life about situations in which I'm hypocritical.So if you can't bring yourself from repeatedly attacking me
I already told you it has nothing to do with what I believe, but rather is about what you believe.because I don't conform to your beliefs, standards, moral compass, then I suggest that you talk with someone about this obsessive, compulsive need to set people straight according to your beliefs, views, and political allegiance.
Sure there is. It's actually pretty easy to not be partisan/hypocritical. Do you know how to do it? I'll give you a hint...you decide how you feel about a position and you stick to that position no matter who agrees or doesn't agree with it.And you somehow believe that everybody sees your political views always consistent, never hypocritical? There's no such a place when it comes to politics and religion.
:lol:As long as the Texas Legislature is under the control of "the radical right", and continue to repeatedly and knowing create laws that they know to be unconstitutional, I'll continue to criticise them exactly in the manner that's shaken you to the core of your being.
Yes, you support wasting taxpayer time and money...but only for causes you support. Right?And I 100% support Farra's actions. I don't care what her political label is.
Oh, I'm not bothered in the least. I'll happily keep pressing you to see if you'll recognize the inconsistency in your position. As I said, while I'm watching basketball, I have nothing I'd rather be doing than posting.Give us both a break.
No, not really. I'm interested in determining if your positions are consistent or selective.
Not at all. I'm posting on an Internet debate forum, I obviously have nothing else I'd rather be doing. So, I watch some basketball and point out the inconsistency in your position, while amusing myself with the fact you won't answer simple questions to avoid admitting your true beliefs.
You're welcome. You're also still not answering the question.
I haven't attacked you once. I've given you many opportunities to clarify your position and explain why your position is not based in partisanship. I've even offered to make you feel better if you acknowledge your position is hypocritical, by pointing out I'm open and honest in my everyday life about situations in which I'm hypocritical.
No, far from attacking you, I've given you every opportunity to prove yourself someone who believes in positions, not politics. To this point, you've refused to provide any evidence though.
I already told you it has nothing to do with what I believe, but rather is about what you believe.
Sure there is. It's actually pretty easy to not be partisan/hypocritical. Do you know how to do it? I'll give you a hint...you decide how you feel about a position and you stick to that position no matter who agrees or doesn't agree with it.
But that's not what you're doing. You condemned Republicans for the same thing you applauded Democrats. And if it is simply the case that you recognize yourself to be hypocritical on such an issue, just be honest and say so. I'd have no problem with that at all.
But you aren't doing that. You're trying to justify one person's actions while condemning similar actions from another. So what choice does one have but to assume partisanship?
:lol:
I love your strawman arguments. I guess when the inconsistency of one's position is exposed, all that's left is to wildly flail at any mirage masquerading as a strawman.
I've never once criticized you for criticizing Texas Republicans. I suspect I would mostly agree with you on the subject. No, my criticism is in the fact you think it's okay for the Democrat to waste taxpayer time and money, but not the Republican. And, again, if you would have declared you realize your position is hypocritical, then this conversation could have been over a long time ago. But you keep trying to justify it. And that's the issue at hand here.
SNIP....
"Why is one okay and not the other? Why is it okay to create legislation to mock which will never pass, but not okay to pass legislation which isn't going to pass the courts? Why the inconsistency? I've asked you that numerous times and you have yet to give me an answer which doesn't basically boil down to "Republicans are bad!".
Why the inconsistency? If you don't want to be considered partisan, then give me a non-partisan answer to this question, a question which I've also asked you multiple times."
If you could answer the question, that would be swell.
Why do you keep posting these ridiculous things? Why can't you just answer the question?Do you think I should divorce my wife and marry you so that you'd have a legal reason to nag and hound me over everything you believe that I should dedicate myself to believe -as you do?
I'm not harassing you but yeah, I've had to post a lot because you won't answer the question. How about you save us both time and answer the question and quit stalling already?You've written 25 words to my 1 to literally harass me with post after post.
Hello, strawman. Always good to see you again.And somehow you believe the Democrats in Texas have been equally aggressive and predatory against women....?...all because of one bill by Ms. Farra.
Well, that's just false. You've answered one of my questions once and you haven't answered the other, except to say "Republicans are bad!", while at the same time, seemingly taking offense to the merest suggestion you're partisan.I have numerous times
And there's our friend Mr. Strawman again.but you don't like the various ways in which you want me to - in order for you to get to finally say, "Your a partisan hack and a hypocrite, and you're a shameful example of someone who calls themself an "independent"!
Uh, no. I told you exactly what I was wanting from you long ago.Isn't that your game. It's gotta be.
I'm not surprised you want to leave without answering the question. Because, at this point, I think we both know why you won't answer the question.So to let you know, I'm going to let you go.
Your nearly 10 posts per day over the course of roughly 6 years begs to differ.My time is valuable.
Understandable. You could have merely answered my two questions long ago and been finished with this conversation long ago. But you chose instead to find every reason in the world not to answer simple questions, including inventing a Church of Slyfox696 (an idea I really like, by the way), all so you could avoid admitting your biases.And I want to spread myself around the forums.
Have a terrific day. I'm sure there are more people somewhere to criticize and other people somewhere else to applaud, all for doing roughly the same thing.So I bid farewell. :2wave:
Texas lawmaker Jessica Farrar wants men fined for masturbating - BBC News
What the hell is in the water in Texas??? :shock:
I understand the concept of being extreme to make a point, but holy hell. Come on.
Only in Texas....
She doesn't seem to know all that much about conservatives when she declares that the bill will make it possible for doctors to refuse service to men like somehow that will make them freak out. I wonder if she realizes that some conservative men actually think people should be free to deny service? I doubt it. Telling people that your bill takes a step towards their goals is only going to get them to agree and perhaps suggest a little more in that direction.
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