Texas Finds 95,000 Non-US Citizens Registered To Vote -- 58,000 Have Actually Voted...

[Amelia]

My guess is that the non-citizens most likely to be voting would be those here legally. Those are the ones most likely to have valid ID such as a driver's license to use to register.

Except that those here illegally love to use fake or stolen identities so you can't discount them from this.

I made a guess.

I'll add to my guess that I think those who are here illegally are more conscious of the invalidity of their documents and would be less likely to think of using them to register to vote. My guess is that many of those still relatively few who are illegally registered didn't realize that their legal driver's licenses shouldn't be used for registering to vote.

Of course Texas being such a diligent state will dig into this and then we'll have a better idea.

 

[yankintx]

Every big city in Texas is blue as far as I'm aware. Not red. Which is why the "experts" have been predicting that Texas will soon be turning blue. There was even a whole campaign about it...

Can Texas Democrats turn the Lone Star State blue?
How To Turn Texas Blue
Could Texas turn blue in 2018? Stranger things have happened
Could Democrats Really Turn Texas Blue In 2018?

Sounds like a GOP controlled state cant keep there records straight, eh ?

 

[trixare4kids]

My guess is that the non-citizens most likely to be voting would be those here legally. Those are the ones most likely to have valid ID such as a driver's license to use to register.

Non-citizens, including non-citizens who are illegals, have valid driver's licenses in my state, CA.
What's your point?

 

[Myview]

Texas Finds 95,000 Non-US Citizens Registered To Vote -- 58,000 Have Actually Voted...​

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...H4I1Gc2tw-_C-m29x4ykaV5TMHgJ5TAT1vALlR0pYq3A8
By Timothy Meads -- On Friday January 25, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that 95,000 individuals registered to vote in the Lone Star State have been identified as "Non-US Citizens," meaning they are illegally registered to vote. Further evidence brought forth by Texas Secretary of State David Whitely confirms that 58,000 of these individuals have broken the law and voted in "one or more" recent elections.... “Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice," AG Paxton said in a statement. "My Election Fraud Unit stands ready to investigate and prosecute crimes against the democratic process when needed." According to a press release issued by the Attorney General's office, while non-US citizens are legally allowed to obtain driver's licenses and other forms of ID, "only citizens are eligible to vote." Furthermore, the Sec. of State's office notes that "Voting in an election in which the person knows he or she is not eligible to vote is a second-degree felony in the State of Texas. "
"Nothing is more vital to preserving our Constitution than the integrity of our voting process, and my office will do everything within its abilities to solidify trust in every election in the state of Texas. I applaud Secretary of State Whitley for his proactive work in safeguarding our elections," AG Paxton added.



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Why isn't this breaking news by the biased MSM? Indeed, the Progressive Marxist Socialist Leftist media wont cover for one simple reason.... they are Democrats.
The Texas investigation is just scratching the surface. What are the odds that 100% of them voted Democratic? And how many are in the States of CA, NY, IL, FL, WA and OR?
The PMS Dem Left want wide Open Border without protection while They Fortify heir Own Mansions with Tall Walls. Others probably are Drug and Human Trafficking for Profits. Like Hillary they`ll do anything for Profits Their Sole motivation to be in Politics, even Importation of Violent Criminals are big Money Makers for Attorneys in every Specialty.

Lets see 58,000 prosecutions for actually voting illegally then I will take it seriously. Paxton dug all the way back to 1996 to flag people for investigation. The sensational Conservative media headlines implies that 58,000 non citizens voted which isn't true. They have to be investigated to see if they subsequently became citizens and then voted.

 

[Bodi]

"Non"-US Citizen.....only to those that don't know the meaning of "non". Which is something you learn in elementary school. So yeah...doubtful. Very very doubtful.

It is very poor English...

 

[Bodi]

The phrase “non-US citizen” is the opposite of a US citizen. The term is used throughout official US government paperwork and websites.

It is a meaningless term within the context of proper grammatics ...

 

[Amelia]

Non-citizens, including non-citizens who are illegals, have valid driver's licenses in my state, CA.
What's your point?

This is Texas. Where one needs to be here legally to qualify for a driver's license.

Why on earth would I care about California's practices when I'm discussing a phenomenon in Texas?

That is a rhetorical question. I don't care about your answer.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

It is a meaningless term within the context of proper grammatics ...

A quick googling of online dictionaries and grammar sites seems to indicate you are in the minority opinion on that one.

 

[Somerville]

A little more context on the numbers of "non-US citizens voting"

Sam Taylor, a spokesman for Secretary of State Whitley answered some questions from the Dallas News

The secretary of state's news release did not specify exactly the years in which the questionable voting occurred.

"The dates in which the [58,000] voted range from 1996-2018," Taylor said in an email.

"We didn't perform any analysis other than the number registered and the number who had voting history," he said, declining to release documentation.

Makes a bit of a difference one might think when some people are giving the impression that those 58,000 all voted in last year's elections when it was actually a 20 year period.

We also have the fact that the Sec of State's office has not followed up any changes in citizenship status for the 58,000 during those 20 years. Texas has approximately 50,000 people per year becoming US citizens.

. . . in an advisory to election administrators and voter registrars on Friday, the secretary of state's director of elections said that 95,000 non-citizens with matching voter registrations should be considered "WEAK" matches. The advisory used all capital letters.

When a defence attempt is made and shown to be wrong, advocates often say, "Oh, that's nothing. Just another attempted deflection" comments from post #1 and #21 are illustrations of this.

Whitley's failure to provide a full disclosure of his methodology raises suspicions.

Of course those liberal, Marxist, Mexican-loving Demorats are complaining about the press release

Houston election lawyer Chad Dunn, general counsel to the state Democratic Party, said in an interview that testimony in a long-running lawsuit over the state's voter-ID law showed that the DPS and secretary of state's "databases are such a mess that they couldn't tell anything meaningful from them."
(. . .)
"There's no method to reach their conclusion," he said of DPS and Whitley.

"What it looks like to me is they're setting up a process for purging voters," which will be aimed at voters who lean Democratic, he said.

Matt Angle, a Democratic strategist in North Texas, said if the voter rolls have problems, it's the Republicans' fault.

They "have controlled voter registration in Texas for two decades. Any problems with the rolls are a result of their incompetence," said Angle. "Assuming some non-citizens are mistakenly on the registration rolls, there is no evidence of a meaningful number of non-citizens voting."

What a surprise - Republican incompetence providing 'support' for yet another try at getting rid of Democrat-leaning voters.

 

[marke]

Texas Finds 95,000 Non-US Citizens Registered To Vote -- 58,000 Have Actually Voted...​

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...H4I1Gc2tw-_C-m29x4ykaV5TMHgJ5TAT1vALlR0pYq3A8
By Timothy Meads -- On Friday January 25, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that 95,000 individuals registered to vote in the Lone Star State have been identified as "Non-US Citizens," meaning they are illegally registered to vote. Further evidence brought forth by Texas Secretary of State David Whitely confirms that 58,000 of these individuals have broken the law and voted in "one or more" recent elections.... “Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice," AG Paxton said in a statement. "My Election Fraud Unit stands ready to investigate and prosecute crimes against the democratic process when needed." According to a press release issued by the Attorney General's office, while non-US citizens are legally allowed to obtain driver's licenses and other forms of ID, "only citizens are eligible to vote." Furthermore, the Sec. of State's office notes that "Voting in an election in which the person knows he or she is not eligible to vote is a second-degree felony in the State of Texas. "
"Nothing is more vital to preserving our Constitution than the integrity of our voting process, and my office will do everything within its abilities to solidify trust in every election in the state of Texas. I applaud Secretary of State Whitley for his proactive work in safeguarding our elections," AG Paxton added.



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Why isn't this breaking news by the biased MSM? Indeed, the Progressive Marxist Socialist Leftist media wont cover for one simple reason.... they are Democrats.
The Texas investigation is just scratching the surface. What are the odds that 100% of them voted Democratic? And how many are in the States of CA, NY, IL, FL, WA and OR?
The PMS Dem Left want wide Open Border without protection while They Fortify heir Own Mansions with Tall Walls. Others probably are Drug and Human Trafficking for Profits. Like Hillary they`ll do anything for Profits Their Sole motivation to be in Politics, even Importation of Violent Criminals are big Money Makers for Attorneys in every Specialty.

Democrat liars: THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD! THESE ARE ALL REPUBLICAN LIES DESIGNED TO OPPRESS MINORITY VOTERS. DOWN WITH CRUZ AND TYRANNY. UP WITH BETO AND FUTURE PEACE AND PROSPERITY UNDER THE SHADOW OF OUR BIG GOVERNMENT MOTHER/LORD.

 

[Kal'Stang]

I made a guess.

I'll add to my guess that I think those who are here illegally are more conscious of the invalidity of their documents and would be less likely to think of using them to register to vote. My guess is that many of those still relatively few who are illegally registered didn't realize that their legal driver's licenses shouldn't be used for registering to vote.

Of course Texas being such a diligent state will dig into this and then we'll have a better idea.

They also know that when voting citizenship is not checked. So why not vote?

And they use those stolen/fake identities every day of their lives, even when interacting with the government. Pretty sure that they would have no problem using them to vote. Especially those with stolen identities as those are much harder to detect as not belonging to the person using them, yet will come up as being a valid US born citizen. Often, unless someone steps forward to say that someone is illegally using their identity the government generally won't know. There IS a way to check but due to a Right to Privacy it isn't used. And that is to cross check with the IRS's records as they can tell when someone's "name" pops up in two places that are far apart. They can also cross check the ages in the same database since most illegals that use stolen identities use children's identities.

 

[Bodi]

A quick googling of online dictionaries and grammar sites seems to indicate you are in the minority opinion on that one.

I often am...

 

[Kal'Stang]

It is very poor English...

Actually no, its not. It's standard and used all the time on legal documents.

 

[rocket88]

Texas Finds 95,000 Non-US Citizens Registered To Vote -- 58,000 Have Actually Voted...​

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...H4I1Gc2tw-_C-m29x4ykaV5TMHgJ5TAT1vALlR0pYq3A8
By Timothy Meads -- On Friday January 25, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced that 95,000 individuals registered to vote in the Lone Star State have been identified as "Non-US Citizens," meaning they are illegally registered to vote. Further evidence brought forth by Texas Secretary of State David Whitely confirms that 58,000 of these individuals have broken the law and voted in "one or more" recent elections.... “Every single instance of illegal voting threatens democracy in our state and deprives individual Texans of their voice," AG Paxton said in a statement. "My Election Fraud Unit stands ready to investigate and prosecute crimes against the democratic process when needed." According to a press release issued by the Attorney General's office, while non-US citizens are legally allowed to obtain driver's licenses and other forms of ID, "only citizens are eligible to vote." Furthermore, the Sec. of State's office notes that "Voting in an election in which the person knows he or she is not eligible to vote is a second-degree felony in the State of Texas. "
"Nothing is more vital to preserving our Constitution than the integrity of our voting process, and my office will do everything within its abilities to solidify trust in every election in the state of Texas. I applaud Secretary of State Whitley for his proactive work in safeguarding our elections," AG Paxton added.



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Why isn't this breaking news by the biased MSM? Indeed, the Progressive Marxist Socialist Leftist media wont cover for one simple reason.... they are Democrats.
The Texas investigation is just scratching the surface. What are the odds that 100% of them voted Democratic? And how many are in the States of CA, NY, IL, FL, WA and OR?
The PMS Dem Left want wide Open Border without protection while They Fortify heir Own Mansions with Tall Walls. Others probably are Drug and Human Trafficking for Profits. Like Hillary they`ll do anything for Profits Their Sole motivation to be in Politics, even Importation of Violent Criminals are big Money Makers for Attorneys in every Specialty.

So 58,000 illegals voted in Texas....apparently from the election result a bunch of them voted for Trump.

 

[rocket88]

It is very poor English...

Grammar is a liberal plot

 

[JasperL]

The Left, their media and their sycophants on the Right want to bring this country to it's knees any way possible.

'its' knees. If you're going to attribute baseless evil motives to people, at least get the spelling correct.

 

[trixare4kids]

This is Texas. Where one needs to be here legally to qualify for a driver's license.

Why on earth would I care about California's practices when I'm discussing a phenomenon in Texas?

That is a rhetorical question. I don't care about your answer.

Sorry, but what you originally wrote makes little to no sense. Why would legal non-citizens with valid ID(s) risk losing their status by using their valid ID to vote?
Um, they wouldn't.

 

[rocket88]

They also know that when voting citizenship is not checked. So why not vote?

And they use those stolen/fake identities every day of their lives, even when interacting with the government. Pretty sure that they would have no problem using them to vote. Especially those with stolen identities as those are much harder to detect as not belonging to the person using them, yet will come up as being a valid US born citizen. Often, unless someone steps forward to say that someone is illegally using their identity the government generally won't know. There IS a way to check but due to a Right to Privacy it isn't used. And that is to cross check with the IRS's records as they can tell when someone's "name" pops up in two places that are far apart. They can also cross check the ages in the same database since most illegals that use stolen identities use children's identities.

Since they use fake IDs already, how would asking them for ID stop them?

 

[Kal'Stang]

A little more context on the numbers of "non-US citizens voting"

Sam Taylor, a spokesman for Secretary of State Whitley answered some questions from the Dallas News
Makes a bit of a difference one might think when some people are giving the impression that those 58,000 all voted in last year's elections when it was actually a 20 year period.

We also have the fact that the Sec of State's office has not followed up any changes in citizenship status for the 58,000 during those 20 years. Texas has approximately 50,000 people per year becoming US citizens.



When a defence attempt is made and shown to be wrong, advocates often say, "Oh, that's nothing. Just another attempted deflection" comments from post #1 and #21 are illustrations of this.

When deciding votes come down to the hundreds does it matter?

Whitley's failure to provide a full disclosure of his methodology raises suspicions.

He has apparently given all the data he had to the attorney general. Ask him.

Of course those liberal, Marxist, Mexican-loving Demorats are complaining about the press release

What a surprise - Republican incompetence providing 'support' for yet another try at getting rid of Democrat-leaning voters.

1: Last I knew Republicans were not in sole control of Texas. There are many blue cities in Texas. So any "incompetence" is probably due to both sides.

2: And yeah, most illegals would vote democrat so getting rid of their votes could be considered as getting rid of Democrat-leaning voters. :shrug: Is it a problem for you getting rid of voters votes that are not supposed to be legally voting?

 

[Amelia]

They also know that when voting citizenship is not checked. So why not vote?

And they use those stolen/fake identities every day of their lives, even when interacting with the government. Pretty sure that they would have no problem using them to vote. Especially those with stolen identities as those are much harder to detect as not belonging to the person using them, yet will come up as being a valid US born citizen. Often, unless someone steps forward to say that someone is illegally using their identity the government generally won't know. There IS a way to check but due to a Right to Privacy it isn't used. And that is to cross check with the IRS's records as they can tell when someone's "name" pops up in two places that are far apart. They can also cross check the ages in the same database since most illegals that use stolen identities use children's identities.

Okaaaay. Well, it's still only guesses on our part.

It will be interesting to see what Texas finds out ... assuming they care enough to check.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Since they use fake IDs already, how would asking them for ID stop them?

Not all fake ID's are perfect. It would be far easier to detect fakes if there is a universal ID requirement.

There is always going to be ways around any system. What one man builds, another can tear down. But I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get rid of laws against murder even though its not 100% effective now would you?

 

[rocket88]

Not all fake ID's are perfect. It would be far easier to detect fakes if there is a universal ID requirement.

There is always going to be ways around any system. What one man builds, another can tear down. But I'm sure that you wouldn't want to get rid of laws against murder even though its not 100% effective now would you?

Basically, I don't have a problem with ID. I'm just saying it won't solve anything. Most of the ID laws proposed so far a really "make sure Democrats don't vote" laws.

 

[JasperL]

Here are the links to the official sites for those doubting the veracity of Townhalls claims:

Texas Secretary of State David Whitley
Ken Paxton Attorney General of Texas

Hmm....58,000 illegal votes. Fraud. Easily enough to sway a local State election or even a national election. Wonder how many vote in California or NY...

It's over a period of 22 years, so who knows when these allegedly fraudulent votes were cast.

The bigger problem is they don't know if any of them are actually fraudulent. The press release only says that they are going to send the names to the counties to ask for verification and if they don't get it, purge the voter rolls. Not a single person has been charged or convicted of "voter fraud" to this point.

And if you want to know why skepticism is the right stance here, Kris Kobach's famously ****ty Cross Check program tries to identify voters registered and voting in two states using what looks like similar methodology and routinely has error "match" rates so high that the error rates must be an intended feature of the program, and is so unreliable the results are routinely discarded and ignored.

One of the matching methods is this, quoted from the SoS press release:

https://www.sos.state.tx.us/about/newsreleases/2019/012519.shtml

Last Name, First Name, and DPS-issued Driver License, Personal Identification Card, or Election Identification Certificate Number;

How do you match a Texas election certificate number to a DPS database on citizenship status. Seems like the election system would send that to DPS, and then the elections system is using a number they sent to DPS to verify citizenship. Seems awfully Kris Kobach- like to me. It's also odd that they don't use middle name or middle initial.

Could be legit, but we've seen this movie many times. Breathless allegations of massive "voter fraud" and then the follow up reduces the HUUUGEEE number to about 12 or something over decades ever charged and/or convicted of a crime, but the bonus is a purged voter roll of names that are likely Hispanic.

 

[Grand Mal]

That is a deflection.

Isn't one of the primary arguments about election voter fraud that illegals don't vote?

So extrapolating from your own figure of .69% applied nationwide to just Democrat totals in 2016 that would make nearly 500,000, but actually more like over 1 million if applied to the total of the 2016 national vote, and IMO almost all would likely have been voting Democrat.

But even then the concentration would most likely be in those "sanctuary" States with the largest populations of illegal migrants, including California, and other once "Red" States. Easily enough to affect local Statewide elections, not to mention adding numbers to the national elections.

That is only one example of possible voter fraud. Not even touching on things like possible mail-in voter fraud (valid voters, like the elderly or disabled who allow a "trusted" caretaker to vote for them), etc.

Well, one consolation about 2016 is that those illegal votes in Texas and California only count for half of what a vote in Wyoming or North Dakota count.

 

[Doc91478]

Corruption in Voting! Los Angeles has 144% of Those ...
Corruption in Voting! Los Angeles has 144% of Those Eligible to Vote on Voting Rolls - California Political Review
The August 1 letter was sent on behalf of several Judicial Watch California supporters and the Election Integrity Project California, Inc. ... Illegals voting is AGAINST THE LAW!! but Jerry and his friends do not care about laws, if they don’t like the laws they just change them to suit the Democrates. ... Follow California Political Review.

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Election Fraud? Registered Voters Outnumber the Eligible ...
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/08/election-fraud-registered...
“California’s voting rolls are an absolute mess that undermines the very idea of clean elections,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton in a statement. “It is urgent that California …

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Weekly Update: Illegal Aliens Voters?
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/weekly-updates/illegal...
Weekly Update: Illegal Aliens Voters? FEBRUARY 03, 2017 ... Judicial Watch’s Election Integrity team, headed up by Robert Popper, former Deputy Chief of the Voting Section in the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, would be more than happy to help. ... between certain states and localities and the federal government is looming ...