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It certainly deters the recipient of the injection!
He had 14 years urder is open and shutto do that? How long has Perry been governor? Do Texans support him overall and the death penalty in particular. If the murder is open and shut, I believe in the China method. If the murders are not open and shut cases, as it looks like A. Hernandez, O.J. Simpson, and G. Zimmerman are not, then what?I am no fan of Big Jim -- I think he helped ruin the state -- but whether he is literally a criminal I don't know.
He had 14 years urder is open and shutto do that? How long has Perry been governor? Do Texans support him overall and the death penalty in particular. If the murder is open and shut, I believe in the China method. If the murders are not open and shut cases, as it looks like A. Hernandez, O.J. Simpson, and G. Zimmerman are not, then what?
It deters recidivism, right?
Well, I don't want to quibble over semantics, but it prevents recidivism, that's for sure.
Listen. I'm against the death penalty but not for humanitarian reasons. I just have such a deep mistrust of government and politicians that I can't approve of giving them power to execute citizens. It's not just murderers that face the death penalty.
It IS only murderers in the U.S. but, not to quibble, I completely respect your position.
US Federal capital crimes other than murder...
Espionage
Treason
Trafficking in large quantities of drugs
Attempting, authorizing or advising the killing of any officer, juror,or witness in cases involving a Continuing Criminal Enterprise, regardless of whether such killing actually occurs
States that allow capital punishment for crimes other than murder...
Treason (Arkansas, Calif., Colorado, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Washington)
Aggravated kidnapping (Co., Idaho, Il., Missouri, Mont.)
Drug trafficking (Fl., Missouri)
Aircraft hijacking (Ga., Mo.)
Placing a bomb near a bus terminal (Mo.)
Espionage (New Mexico)
Aggravated assault by incarcerated, persistent felons, or murderers (Mont.)
The State allows capital punishment for crimes against itself, where no-one is injured (treason, espionage). You give those bastards that kind of power and they'll abuse it.
If it detered him, he wouldn't be there, would he.
Don't make me get statistical
These statutes may be on the books but the U.S. Supreme Court, in Kennedy v Louisiana 554 U.S. 407 (2008) restricted the imposition of capital punishment to crimes in which the victims' lives were taken. True, the opinion did "not address, for example, crimes defining and punishing treason, espionage, terrorism, and drug kingpin activity, which are offenses against the State," but no such cases have arisen in many decades and one can be sure that if one does arise, it will go to SCOTUS. I wouldn't bet my life on an execution being upheld in such a case.
It's a punishment first and a deterent second.
It's a punishment first and second. If it was a deterrent Texas would have a low murder rate, wouldn't it?
There is nothing about the reform system of prison that works...nothing we have seen and certainly not involving rapists and murderers with life sentences. Been behind the walls? Worked with them? I have. Those that reform essentially reform themselves because the experience was so miserable they dont want to ever come back. Their time inside is spent surviving. The simple fact is that the vast majority that are in those prisons are right where they belong.Not outside of immediate self defense or defense of others, no.
Fixed for accuracy. Unless you're ignoring the actual evidence and arguing that the death penalty is a deterrent, how is an executed prisoner safer than an incarcerated one?
Mostly it's that there is no such next life. But if you've read anything that I post on this issue, you would know that that is not at all how I argue for treating prisoners. I'm a very staunch advocate for restorative justice. See also my reply to Vance for additional details.
If it's more of a deterrent not to be killed, why kill? Deterring crime is actually a good thing. Also, I'm pretty sure that no one actually feels that way when facing death. A desire to accelerate slow and painful deaths notwithstanding, of course.
So, keep them cordoned off. Or even better yet, rather than simply keeping prisoners locked away, try to reform them. Restorative justice works. A lot of those death row inmates were in jail before they killed someone. If they had been properly educated and treated (as many have psychological disorders, were victims of abuse, or have mental disabilities) they could have become productive members of society rather than murderers. But you're right that more dangerous prisoners should not be mixed in with those that are not, for the safety of all.
That's irrelevant and it's a poor excuse for ending Capital punishment.
Look up " Kenneth Allen McDuff " and perhaps you'll understand why I don't trust the prison or penal system to keep dangerous criminals off our streets.
What would you regard as an appropriate punishment for the old boy?
It's a punishment first and second. If it was a deterrent Texas would have a low murder rate, wouldn't it?
Capital punishment might be defensible but not as a deterrent. It's revenge, and revenge has value (I suppose) but I hate, I mean really hate the idea of government having the power to execute citizens. And don't tell me about separations of power- the court is an extension of the State.
I say, be honest about it and build a stage in the centre of town. Have the condemned's head pushed down on the block and ensure everyone is present to watch the axe fall. All this mollycoddling about gas chambers, electric chairs, lethal injections, whatever, that's all just to let Ma and Pa reconcile their Christianity with their desire for revenge.
And I refuse to allow a government to kill when I have the power to stop it. I don't approve of killing people at all, but killing innocent people is completely unacceptable. If there is any chance, I will not allow it.
It makes it much much easier. Callousness and indifference to the problems of others is pretty incompatible with socialist ideals. Egalitarianism does not allow for harming others to benefit oneself.
If the death penalty stopped crime then we'd be crimeless. The reality is that it doesn't deter anyone...
What a milestone. I wonder if they had a cake. Or gave the lucky inmate a festive hat.
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