Texas board unanimously votes to remove Confederate plaque from state Capitol

[JacksinPA]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...votes-to-remove-confederate-plaque-from-state

Texas officials unanimously voted on Friday to remove a Confederate plaque from the state Capitol that claims slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War.

The Preservation Board, which is in charge of historical monuments at the Capitol, voted to take down the “Children of the Confederacy Creed,” The Dallas Morning News reported.
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This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.

 

[Phys251]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

Somebody needs to inform these idiots that 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.

 

[Captain Adverse]

...I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.

Fails to note the difference between legitimate government action based on the will of the people as opposed to mob vandalism.

Much like where Georgia removed the "Stars and Bars" from it's State Flag, while Mississippi still refuses to do so; or when some towns and cities remove religious symbols from local government buildings while other's do not.

 

[JacksinPA]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

Somebody needs to inform these idiots that 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.

But they seem to be using it as a road map instead.

 

[Phys251]

Fails to note the difference between legitimate government action as opposed to mob vandalism.

Much like where Georgia removed the "Stars and Bars" from it's State Flag, while Mississippi still refuses to do so; or when some towns and cities remove religious symbols from local government buildings while other's do not.

Thoughts and prayers for the defaced memorials to the traitors.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Thoughts and prayers for the defaced memorials to the traitors.

Hmm...there is a thin line between "traitors" and "heroes;" typically determined by the victors. :coffeepap:

 

[Phys251]

Hmm...there is a thin line between "traitors" and "heroes;" typically determined by the victors. :coffeepap:

Right, right, people who literally shot at the Flag of the United States of America were heroes. :lamo

 

[Captain Adverse]

Right, right, people who literally shot at the Flag of the United States of America were heroes. :lamo

Well...to someone living in London in 1778, hearing that Washington was leading attacks against British subjects by "shooting at the flag" would hardly have been seen as heroic. :shrug:

 

[ttwtt78640]

Right, right, people who literally shot at the Flag of the United States of America were heroes. :lamo

Nope, because they lost. Our nation was founded by an armed rebellion which succeeded.

 

[Phys251]

Well...to someone living in London in 1778, hearing that Washington was leading attacks against British subjects by "shooting at the flag" would hardly have been seen as heroic. :shrug:

Stay on topic. We're talking about whether a separatist movement which formed to defend slavery is in any way morally justifiable.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Stay on topic. We're talking about whether a separatist movement which formed to defend slavery is in any way morally justifiable.

You were the one who shifted the topic to "traitors"....or don't you remember your own post?

 

[Phys251]

You were the one who shifted the topic to "traitors"....or don't you remember your own post?

Don't play that game with me, Captain. Someone who not only turns their back on Old Glory but kills people who still fly it is a traitor. Maybe you are confused about which side you are on?

 

[Tigerace117]

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

Somebody needs to inform these idiots that 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.

Yeah, that's why nobody in Germany knows who Adolf Hitler was, since they don't have any statues to him :roll:

 

[Tigerace117]

Hmm...there is a thin line between "traitors" and "heroes;" typically determined by the victors. :coffeepap:

Usually said line is established a fair distance in front of "literally went to war to keep owning other human beings".

 

[hado117]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...votes-to-remove-confederate-plaque-from-state

Texas officials unanimously voted on Friday to remove a Confederate plaque from the state Capitol that claims slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War.

The Preservation Board, which is in charge of historical monuments at the Capitol, voted to take down the “Children of the Confederacy Creed,” The Dallas Morning News reported.
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This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.[/QU do we need plaques? the tariff act of 1828 caused the civil war. is what should be written. if a plaque is needed . and lincoln supported secession . before he became president.

 

[hado117]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...votes-to-remove-confederate-plaque-from-state

Texas officials unanimously voted on Friday to remove a Confederate plaque from the state Capitol that claims slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War.

The Preservation Board, which is in charge of historical monuments at the Capitol, voted to take down the “Children of the Confederacy Creed,” The Dallas Morning News reported.
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This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.[/QU do we need plaques? the tariff act of 1828 caused the civil war. is what should be written. if a plaque is needed . and lincoln supported secession . before he became president.

texas wasnt greatly affected bty the tariff act. so texas can put whatever they want on a plaque. orale pues . maybe texas should just put '' orale pues'' on a plaque.

 

[wellwisher]

One point that is missed in this discussion is the Confederacy was run by the Democrats. The Confederacy was the Democrat party. The Democrats were the party of slavery and the party that tried to divide the country. Even today California Democrats follow this tradition of dividing the country. They still threaten to leave the union. All those evil statues and plaques were dedicated to Democrats. Yet the Democrats are not manning up, but acting like innocent by standers who are outraged.

The Democrats are conspiring to hide their shady past by getting rid of all reminders. The educational system teaches revisionist history, blaming all whites for slavery, when in fact, Democrat whites were the party in favor of slavery.

Picture if the Nazi party, after WWII was not dissolved, like the Democrat party, after the Civil War, was not dissolved. Instead, like the Democrats, they got to retain co-political power in Berlin. Since they don't want to change the name, there is no regret about the past. They are consciously maintaining a continuity with its own shady history of power.

Times change, so they can no longer persecute the Jews in the old obvious way. But since this persecution was a trade mark of being a Nazi, they will need to be more subtle and clever. They may also need to find a way to disguise their connection to their shady past less people see parallels in the present. They can blame the other political party for their own evils.

For example, Blacks in large Democrat controlled cities; Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc., have some of the worse living conditions, even though the same Democrats parade compassion and sell themselves as the friends of blacks. The blacks are in the same place, as under old school Democrat. The difference is the Democrats are not being obvious in terms of the parallel to their past. They blame the Republicans for the state of the Blacks in Democrat controlled cities.

Do you believe a new Nazi party, in power in Berlin, would be totally different than in 1930's, especially of they decide to retain the name? The same is true of the Democrats party. Both have very shady beginnings and neither apologize for it, other than try to spread out the blame.

Instead of removing statues and plaques we need to get rid of the name Democrat party. The Democrats were the original Nazi party of the West. They even taught the Nazis of the East, how to use legal means to persecute Jews, based on how the Democrats did it with the blacks for many years after the civil war. Now segregation is done via the scam called diversity, where people segregate themselves. the Democrats have gotten more sinister.

 

[marke]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...votes-to-remove-confederate-plaque-from-state

Texas officials unanimously voted on Friday to remove a Confederate plaque from the state Capitol that claims slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War.

The Preservation Board, which is in charge of historical monuments at the Capitol, voted to take down the “Children of the Confederacy Creed,” The Dallas Morning News reported.
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This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.

Democrats claim republicans want to rewrite the past. That is ironic in light of the fact that democrats do not want to focus on the fact that southern democrats started the civil war in an effort to maintain slavery, and when they lost the war they started the KKK to stop republican influence after the war.

 

[MrPeanut]

Good for them. The amount of damage these Confederate groups have done to the United States over the last century, and then some, is staggering.

 

[pinqy]

This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.

It’s the plaque that was more akin to the Ministry of Truth
From the Texas Declaration of Causes, 2 February 1861
“...She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. ....”
In short, the only causes Texas listed were that the Northern states were trying to abolish slavery (which takes up the majority of the declaration), and the complaint that the Federal government “has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico.”

The claiming the war wasn’t about slavery when that was the main cause Texas claimed as its reason is the twisting of history.

 

[hado117]

It’s the plaque that was more akin to the Ministry of Truth
From the Texas Declaration of Causes, 2 February 1861
“...She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. ....”
In short, the only causes Texas listed were that the Northern states were trying to abolish slavery (which takes up the majority of the declaration), and the complaint that the Federal government “has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico.”

The claiming the war wasn’t about slavery when that was the main cause Texas claimed as its reason is the twisting of history.

yep them people that was in the know, left a good trail to follow. but they didnt quite cover all of their tracks

 

[theliq]

Right, right, people who literally shot at the Flag of the United States of America were heroes. :lamo

BUT ARN'T MOST TEXANS CERTIFIABLY sic MAD

 

[hado117]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...votes-to-remove-confederate-plaque-from-state

Texas officials unanimously voted on Friday to remove a Confederate plaque from the state Capitol that claims slavery was not the root cause of the Civil War.

The Preservation Board, which is in charge of historical monuments at the Capitol, voted to take down the “Children of the Confederacy Creed,” The Dallas Morning News reported.
=================================================
This plaque, has been on display in the Capitol since 1959, pledges "to study and teach the truths of history (one of the most important of which is, that the War between the States was not a rebellion, nor was its underlying cause to sustain slavery)."

I thought I was in George Orwell's Ministry of Truth for a moment, watching them methodically rewrite or 'correct' the past in order to make it more truthfull in relation to the present.

abe ABE had to make the war about slavery. to keep so and so out of the war. but abe was used , he wasnt as smart as the peeps who were pulling the strings

 

[Ikari]

Hmm...there is a thin line between "traitors" and "heroes;" typically determined by the victors. :coffeepap:

Not so thin, it's usually the W or L that defines if one is a hero or a traitor. The south lost. Therefore, they are traitorous losers.

 

[pinqy]

abe ABE had to make the war about slavery. to keep so and so out of the war. but abe was used , he wasnt as smart as the peeps who were pulling the strings

All the seceding states which formally listed their causes, stated that protecting dlavery was their reason for leaving.
And the Confederacy fires the first shots.

Now if you want to argue that the North was not explicitly trying to end slavery, you would be correct, but the issue that lead to war was slavery.