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Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Gaza

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but hey, whatever. mission of peace, full of nothing but peace loving peace protesters, which explains why they peacefully tried to kill Israeli commandos, because they just love peace so much......


Dozens of passengers who were aboard the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship are suspected of having connections with global jihad-affiliated terrorist organizations, defense officials said on Tuesday, amid growing concerns that Turkish warships would accompany a future flotilla to the Gaza Strip.

According to the defense officials, the IDF has identified about 50 passengers on the ship who could have terrorist connections with global jihad-affiliated groups.

During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip.

The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists.

“This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos,” a defense official said. “They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover.”...
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

I have a hard time buying anything the IDF is coming out with at this point. Too bad they wont let anyone else verify this AMAZING discovery...
 

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but hey, whatever. mission of peace, full of nothing but peace loving peace protesters, which explains why they peacefully tried to kill Israeli commandos, because they just love peace so much......


Dozens of passengers who were aboard the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship are suspected of having connections with global jihad-affiliated terrorist organizations, defense officials said on Tuesday, amid growing concerns that Turkish warships would accompany a future flotilla to the Gaza Strip.

According to the defense officials, the IDF has identified about 50 passengers on the ship who could have terrorist connections with global jihad-affiliated groups.

During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip.

The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash.

The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists.

“This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos,” a defense official said. “They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover.”...
Even if it is true...those items are not offensive, they're defensive. It's as if they had a "cache of shields" or a "cache of helmets"...and the boarding by the IDF commando shows that they were actually right to have defensive items. If these are the only things found on the boat that could justify the boarding and massacre, it's really ridiculous.
 
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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

Even if it is true...those items are not offensive, they're defensive. It's as if they had a "cache of shields" or a "cache of helmets"...and the boarding by the IDF commando shows that they were actually right to have defensive items. If these are the only things found on the boat that could justify the boarding and massacre, it's really ridiculous.
The thing is... several pistols were found with an empty magazines.. they've shot on israeli forces as well as stabbing, clubbing and slicing the soldiers.. the IDF used a paintball rifles and didnt mean to use live ammunition, if you saw the videos you can see a mob is rushing on each soldier, if live fire was not played a roll.. we've probobly heard several soldiers killed by linch.
 

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The thing is... several pistols were found with an empty magazines..
Really? We haven't seen those. I'd like to see pictures :)

they've shot on israeli forces as well as stabbing, clubbing and slicing the soldiers.
As is want to happen when you are defending yourself. I notice no IDF soldiers died while almost 20 activists died....

the IDF used a paintball rifles and didnt mean to use live ammunition, if you saw the videos you can see a mob is rushing on each soldier, if live fire was not played a roll.. we've probobly heard several soldiers killed by linch.
You'd think their mistake would have been obvious when the first person fell dead on the deck.
 

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Really? We haven't seen those. I'd like to see pictures :)


As is want to happen when you are defending yourself. I notice no IDF soldiers died while almost 20 activists died....


You'd think their mistake would have been obvious when the first person fell dead on the deck.
1. 9 "activists" were dead
2. The IDF used the most non lethal weapons.. paintball rifles, after the mob attacked the soldiers it was their decision about opening fire after the "activists" fired first live ammunision.
If someone shoots at you.. how you react when there is no place to run but only a gun is at your disposal?
3. If you would like i post here a video shown the "activists" throwing a shock grenade inside a small boat filled with soldiers.
 
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1. 9 "activists" were dead
According to people who have been released, that number is closer to 14 or 15.

2. The IDF used the most non lethal weapons.. paintball rifles, after the mob attacked the soldiers it was their decision about opening fire after the "activists" fired first live ammunision.
From guns that no one has yet found.

3. If you would like i post here a video shown the "activists" throwing a shock grenade inside a small boat filled with soldiers.
Please do
 

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you havent answered my question.. how would you react on such scenario?

here you go:[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/4223683/new-flotilla-video-released[/video]
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

you havent answered my question.. how would you react on such scenario?
It's irrelevant, I wasnt there.

here you go:[video]http://video.foxnews.com/v/4223683/new-flotilla-video-released[/video]
Ok, and? Again, the IDF attack was illegal.
 

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As is want to happen when you are defending yourself. I notice no IDF soldiers died while almost 20 activists died....

Nine people died, not twenty.
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

Nine people died, not twenty.
Not according to the activists who have been released.
 

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Not according to the activists who have been released.
Got a link for that?
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

Hoplite, it's relevant.. you a just human just as they, you could have reacted the same.. as many other would.

You respond in "OK and?" that means i'm right.. that the brutality of the "activists" was over the scale.. and the soldiers only responded as any human would..? the other issue is if it was OK to start the entire operation on internasional waters.. the action itself was right.. but not the place and time.
 

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According to people who have been released, that number is closer to 14 or 15.
That's just not true.
The number is exactly 9, according to every major news source.
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

Moderator's Warning:
People should use the correct figure of fatalities to avoid unnecessary distractions in the thread.

Early on there was some confusion as to how many people died. With the passage of time, the confusion has largely abated. Although it might yet change given the severity of injuries to some people, at last word, the reported figure is 9. Reuters reported, "Turkey said three of the nine dead had been identified as Turks and a fourth had a Turkish credit card. Israel has not named publicly any of those killed."

Thank you in advance.
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

Not according to the activists who have been released.
Have you seen the video shot with night vision cameras. It shows the commandos repeling down to the upper deck and mobs of peace activist with chains, bars, and knifes taking the commands to the deck attacking them relentlessly. And you are defending the terrorist scum peace activist over the IDF. Why do you support terrorist bent on provoking Israel who had to institute a blockade on Gaza to keep weapons from Iran out. Weapons used by the terrorist organization HAMAS against Israel.
 

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Re: Terrorists, NVG's, Bullet-Proof vests part of the "humanitarian Aid" headed to Ga

A peaceful convoy with peaceful materials on the ship doesn't assault Israeli commandos as they repel down.

However the issue is not whether the materials were for purposes of peace, but what the intentions of those delivering the materials, and those who are to use the materials are. Brick and mortar, so to speak, can build both a mosque and a barracks. Shields can deflect bullets from both a terrorist and a freedom fighter.
The fact stands that no one has yet to show that the intention of the convoy was peaceful.
 

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Have you seen the video shot with night vision cameras. It shows the commandos repeling down to the upper deck and mobs of peace activist with chains, bars, and knifes taking the commands to the deck attacking them relentlessly. And you are defending the terrorist scum peace activist over the IDF. Why do you support terrorist bent on provoking Israel who had to institute a blockade on Gaza to keep weapons from Iran out. Weapons used by the terrorist organization HAMAS against Israel.
I refuse to exchange with someone who is not interested in exchange but in pushing his own point of view with no regard to any degree of mutual respect.

A peaceful convoy with peaceful materials on the ship doesn't assault Israeli commandos as they repel down.
It does if the attack takes place illegally.

The fact stands that no one has yet to show that the intention of the convoy was peaceful.
The ships were known to be carrying humanitarian aid materials and are thus protected by international law. The convoy had no weapons beyond improvised defensive weapons that the activists picked up in response to an attack on the high seas by a foreign military power that did not have permission to do what it did.
 

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I refuse to exchange with someone who is not interested in exchange but in pushing his own point of view with no regard to any degree of mutual respect.
You seem to be doing just that.
It does if the attack takes place illegally.
The attack was done fully in accordance with international law, fully legally, fully legitimated.
The ships were known to be carrying humanitarian aid materials and are thus protected by international law.
Incorrect.
International law states that a ship that is trying to run a blockade can be boarded on international waters, hence fully legitimated.
The convoy had no weapons beyond improvised defensive weapons that the activists picked up in response to an attack on the high seas by a foreign military power that did not have permission to do what it did.
The convoy was trying to lynch the soldiers and murder them, stabbing them with knives, throwing them from 10 meters height(from top deck to lower deck), hitting them with crowbars and bats, and then shooting at them with live fire.
The soldiers have had every right to react in self-defense, and have expressed huge restraint.
They have only returned fire once engaged with live fire, not through all the time when they were lynched with long knives and crowbars.
 
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The attack was done fully in accordance with international law, fully legally, fully legitimated.

Incorrect.
International law states that a ship that is trying to run a blockade can be boarded on international waters, hence fully legitimated.
Only if that blockade is part of an armed conflict between two sovereign nations or governments. Hamas is not recognized as such thus the blockade is not a military action.

The convoy was trying to lynch the soldiers and murder them, stabbing them with knives, throwing them from 10 meters height(from top deck to lower deck), hitting them with crowbars and bats, and then shooting at them with live fire.

The soldiers have had every right to react in self-defense, and have expressed huge restraint.
They have only returned fire once engaged with live fire, not through all the time when they were lynched with long knives and crowbars.
The IDF was attacked in response to an illegal seizure of the flotilla, you CANNOT get around that.
 

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Only if that blockade is part of an armed conflict between two sovereign nations or governments. Hamas is not recognized as such thus the blockade is not a military action.
No, the blockade needs to be part of an armed conflict, and that it is. Link to the sovereignity part.
The IDF was attacked in response to an illegal seizure of the flotilla, you CANNOT get around that.
The activists were attacked in response to the attempt to lynch and kill the soldiers.
There is no excuse or justification to their action, and the boarding of the ship was done completely in accordance with the international law.
 

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Let's hope the 9 activists who died on the ship are considered peaceful enough by Tsahal, now that they rest in peace.
 

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No, the blockade needs to be part of an armed conflict, and that it is. Link to the sovereignity part.

The activists were attacked in response to the attempt to lynch and kill the soldiers.
There is no excuse or justification to their action, and the boarding of the ship was done completely in accordance with the international law.
I will continue any discussion about the legality of the move in this thread
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...156-legality-israeli-raid.html#post1058786483
 

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Let's hope the 9 activists who died on the ship are considered peaceful enough by Tsahal, now that they rest in peace.
I like to think that they are not resting in peace. Better if their souls burn in hell.
 

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I refuse to exchange with someone who is not interested in exchange but in pushing his own point of view with no regard to any degree of mutual respect.

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Is that why you do not tell the truth as to the number of dead?
 
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