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Terrorist Threat Has Roots in U.S. Policy

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Napolitano also warned of al-Shabaab in Somalia, which has taken responsibility for recent bombings in Uganda. But she neglected to mention both U.S. and Ugandan military intervention in Somalia, another Muslim country. Are we to be surprised that young naturalized Somali-Americans would feel impelled to go back to their native country to resist American aggression?

Why won't Napolitano acknowledge that the American empire provokes anti-Americanism? This isn't rocket science. You bomb someone; they get mad and try to get even. Terrorism is the price paid for maintaining an empire. But the imperial masters apparently think it's worth the price. They never suffer; on the contrary, they prosper when they can use the violence to justify further expansion of their power.

And so it goes on, like a perpetual-motion machine. Each act of the empire provokes a response that serves as a pretext for further imperial action. The battlefield is the world, and the "war on terror" can go on forever. Except for the dead, the maimed, the malnourished, and the taxpayers, it's a sweet deal all around.

That "terrorism" is really vengeance (wrongly exacted from civilians) for earlier crimes of the empire should come as no shock, though it undoubtedly will. Nevertheless, even the mainstream press has let us in on some relevant facts.

You break into someone's house, beat them up and destroy their home then get pissed when they do the same thing to you. Its not rocket science.

Campaign For Liberty — Terrorist Threat Has Roots in U.S. Policy    by Sheldon Richman
 

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WHY should there be ANY Somali's in the USA ???? Just wondering.

Now all in All a lot of the view that US policies at various times has incited this hostility is correct BUT the Arab/Israeli conflict over almost 70 years has an awful lot to do with it and sub ideology's like Wahabbism is 100% incompatible with Western democracy SO in a shrinking tech laden world there would have to be eventual conflict UNLESS We in the West , where many of us are always concerned about minor infringements on Rights and focus on past wrongs disproportionatly can always turn a blind eye to the crueler structure of much of Islam - such as repression of Women, winking at Slavery & lunatic Suicide Martyrs, then unless we can do that. In short facing up to and dealing with constant hypocrisy then possibly we coexist. Howver I for one doubt that works long term.
 

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WHY should there be ANY Somali's in the USA ???? Just wondering.

Now all in All a lot of the view that US policies at various times has incited this hostility is correct BUT the Arab/Israeli conflict over almost 70 years has an awful lot to do with it and sub ideology's like Wahabbism is 100% incompatible with Western democracy SO in a shrinking tech laden world there would have to be eventual conflict UNLESS We in the West , where many of us are always concerned about minor infringements on Rights and focus on past wrongs disproportionatly can always turn a blind eye to the crueler structure of much of Islam - such as repression of Women, winking at Slavery & lunatic Suicide Martyrs, then unless we can do that. In short facing up to and dealing with constant hypocrisy then possibly we coexist. Howver I for one doubt that works long term.

whoa...take a breath and parse.
 

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Well, I meander on at times. However the "Blowback" theories of many comfortable Westerners towards Radical Islam in it's various forms is troubling. They delude themselves into thing "If Only" or "Well, Let them just Run their own Affairs" or "It's All about Oil"

Now all 3 views have some validity, but still there are some limits on how much we can accept or overlook and kindly remember some of these Crazies are in our midst and will ALWAYS pose a greater threat than any Militia or Right to Life Crazies or assorted Gun Nuts who are born Americans.
 

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WHY should there be ANY Somali's in the USA ???? Just wondering.

Maybe 'cause their country has gone to hell and they're looking for a better life, you know, like the first immigrants to America.
 

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Maybe 'cause their country has gone to hell and they're looking for a better life, you know, like the first immigrants to America.


I would venture a guess that most of these Somali's despite their origin have a better informed World View than those arriving on Plymouth Rock or Jamestown and nearly all who ever passed thru Ellis Island. Obviously , it's just this new techno/info World, but inspite of that many have less interest in actually assimilating.

In short those thinking that Muslims arriving in the past 2 decades are little different than say Irish Catholics in the NorthEast in the early 19th Century are pretty wrong. Now you can just inject some Race factor in this, and partially it will be true- However one question - considering Birthrates - Can we ever go Double Digits with an Islamic Majority and really think the end is not shortly coming ?????
 

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Well, I meander on at times. However the "Blowback" theories of many comfortable Westerners towards Radical Islam in it's various forms is troubling. They delude themselves into thing "If Only" or "Well, Let them just Run their own Affairs" or "It's All about Oil"

It's called the 'honor code', and it used to be the same in America as well, but especially in the middle east, if you go out and hurt someone's family they will kill you or die trying to kill you. It's nothing to do with them being 'terrorists' or bad people in general, but simply their code of honor demands it of them.

Of course the 'blowback' theory is troubling... we spend so much time bombing countries back to the stone age and wonder why much of the world hates the west, and primarily america.

So, because of this, it may not be as simple of a matter as just pulling out and letting them run their own lives. I'm sure there is a way out of the cycle, but it would require a drastic shift in the thinking of those in power that make those decisions.

Now all 3 views have some validity, but still there are some limits on how much we can accept or overlook and kindly remember some of these Crazies are in our midst and will ALWAYS pose a greater threat than any Militia or Right to Life Crazies or assorted Gun Nuts who are born Americans.

You are reading a script... look at the MIAC report... but the ones you list are deemed 'top threats'... but then tags on virtually anyone capable of a political thought and equates them all to cop killing racists

You do realize that every man 18-50 (ish, I forget the precise age) is part of the militia, right? At least that was the original intention.

You make it sound like the right to life crowd is anymore nuts then the 'right to kill your unborn baby' crowd.

Gun nuts : It's been proven in ANY case that MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME, typically in the 20% range. And I have to illustrate the Swiss, not only their policies protect them against an incursion from the nazis, but now, the swiss don't even keep records of gun crimes in the country because the statistic was so low. There it is almost against the law for a citizen to NOT own a gun and keep it in their home, and the government pays for the ammo in many cases.
 

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Gun nuts : It's been proven in ANY case that MORE GUNS = LESS CRIME, typically in the 20% range. And I have to illustrate the Swiss, not only their policies protect them against an incursion from the nazis, but now, the swiss don't even keep records of gun crimes in the country because the statistic was so low. There it is almost against the law for a citizen to NOT own a gun and keep it in their home, and the government pays for the ammo in many cases.

B'man ... this is simplistic and wrong !!!

Gun crime in Switzerland is NOT low "because" of high level gun ownership ... it is because the Swiss mentality is entirely different to the US.

Guns are NOT seen as a right per se, but as a responsibility and priviledge, there is compulsory training and service in the military where you are taught that a gun is not a personal right ... the Swiss are also a wealthy nation, with little poverty, high free education and a health system that is a mix of public and private, with a general high standard of living.

Switzerland has no natural resourses, so must instead rely on an educated and healthy populace to use that education and knowledge to best advantage, and they are more family orientated, with women whom stay at home to look after the family being the norm and a high social responsibility taught.

And with a population of less than 8 million boasts 11 Universities and world ranking high tech and scientific Institutes.

It also has a very fair health system, which although by compulsory insurance, is equally fair to all, with no restrictions irregardless of age or medical conditions and cannot be used to make profits for the providers, personally around 8% of personal income, which is topped up by the government as required.

Switzerland Guide: Health insurance, Public and private health insurance in Switzerland: According to the

Their mentality and outlook on life is entirely different to the US one, they do not see guns as hunting or protection tools but as a sport ... target shooting is hugely popular, so the whole "killing things" does not enter the general psyche.

It is the Swiss WHOLE way of life and outlook of community responsibility that explains the very low gun crime statistics NOT lax laws !!!

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Information about Switzerland

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Another thing that Switzerland does is DISPROVE the existance of "chemtrails" B'man.

SWITZERLAND is a TINY landlocked country with a SMALL population and is BORDERED by Germany, France, Italy, Austria and Lichtenstein.

ALL those countries REGULARLY and on a LARGE scale have flights flying EVERY SINGLE DAY DIRECTLY over Switzerland.

By the "believers" criteria it SHOULD be one of the MOST poisoned or toxic regions in the world ...

Switzerland has some of the BUSIEST air traffic flying overhead ... not ONLY has it its own originating and landing flights ... it also has air traffic from the REST of Europe.

So if chemtrails and their insidous poisoning were true ...

Switzerland as a VERY small country with a small population ...

Would be showing signs of either population loss, general dumbing down or any of the "other" claims of poisoning ...

The poisoning effects would be SO concentrated over SUCH a small country as to be hugely VISIBLE by now !!!

Yet the REALITY is that Switzerland is one of the CLEANEST countries with PUREST air quality and HIGH STANDARD way of life.

In the REAL world Switzerland is a VERY, VERY, VERY CLEAN, EDUCATED AND HEALTHY COUNTRY ... with a population whom are very, very, very literate and educated ... and with 11 Universities and some of the LEADING high tech and scientific Institutes in the world.

IF chemtrails were real ... Switzerland would PROVE it ... but it doesn't ... because ...

CHEMTRAILS AREN'T REAL !!!

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Avionics Magazine :: ATC Modernization: Reaching New Peaks in Switzerland

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B'man ... this is simplistic and wrong !!!

Gun crime in Switzerland is NOT low "because" of high level gun ownership ... it is because the Swiss mentality is entirely different to the US.

Guns are NOT seen as a right per se, but as a responsibility and priviledge, there is compulsory training and service in the military where you are taught that a gun is not a personal right ... the Swiss are also a wealthy nation, with little poverty, high free education and a health system that is a mix of public and private, with a general high standard of living.

Ya, I agree with you here... If you went to gangland USA, and just gave everyone a gun, it would be a blood bath.

Now, for the Swiss, the reason their gun crime is so low is,, like you said, also a matter of training, and a military background, and low poverty levels... So, they really have taken a holistic approach to this issue, and it's paid off drastically. My girlfriend reacted the same way when I told her the simplified argument as well, but the same points she used to say that not everyone in north america should be allowed to carry weapons, was the same points I used to convince her to come with me and get the training to defend herself.

To further make the point, in Great Britain, New York, Chicago, Australia as well to some extent, have ALL had their populations disarmed... and well, they are MOST all now cesspits of crime. The criminals have no fear that if they break into a house that they might wind up staring down the barrel of a gun. On the flip side of this, places that HAD gun restrictions, but then returned to 'open carry' laws' typically see roughly a 20% decrease in crime on that merit alone.

In truth, I don't believe that everyone should have a gun... Example, anyone that's been prosecuted for a felony should have their rights to purchase weapons more limited then those that have shown themselves to be responsible members of society.

So, ya... within limits, a well armed society is a polite society in that people are more likely to be respectful of others overall when they know that there's a chance that they can pay with their lives.
 

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In spite of that famous Curtis Lemay line in 1965 - can anyone really cite an example of a society being bombed back into a Stone Age ????? There is no such place, and while the US & Western buildup in the Gulf & Saudi Arabia in late 1990 did push the Hard Islamists over the Rubicon one could argue they would have crossed sooner or later on their own.

One can in a tiny way cite examples justifying almost any ideology even Naziism because nothing in life is so simple and substantial events normally occur because of earlier events.

This means that 2 basic truths currently exist for Western Democracy including comfortable Progressives A) The Islamists eventually would have come our way simply thru Immigration into the West and B) Present reality is that they ARE THE ENEMY , and it's a lot better if We prevail instead of them.
 

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In spite of that famous Curtis Lemay line in 1965 - can anyone really cite an example of a society being bombed back into a Stone Age ????? There is no such place, and while the US & Western buildup in the Gulf & Saudi Arabia in late 1990 did push the Hard Islamists over the Rubicon one could argue they would have crossed sooner or later on their own.

Well, no you wouldn't literally bomb them back to the stone age, because simply, humans are smart enough now to rebuild quickly back to certain points.

One can in a tiny way cite examples justifying almost any ideology even Naziism because nothing in life is so simple and substantial events normally occur because of earlier events.

This means that 2 basic truths currently exist for Western Democracy including comfortable Progressives A) The Islamists eventually would have come our way simply thru Immigration into the West and B) Present reality is that they ARE THE ENEMY , and it's a lot better if We prevail instead of them.

So, it sounds like you are suggesting that we should just commit the genocide and prevent this enemy from ever resurfacing??

But, are they, as in muslims in general, really 'the enemy'?? Or are we just fighting against certain ideologies?? The Afghans for example, were not our enemies... in our name however, we allowed an invasion of their country to seek out a single individual... at least that's what it was sold as, the reality now is even admitted that the military in afghanistan is not much better then the heroin cartel taking over the region. It's argued that if we stop helping the farmers grow opium then the taliban will come back and take over, neglecting the fact that in 2001 was when the taliban had all but eliminated heroin poppies from the country.
 
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