Terror Links with Saddam's Regime and found/suspected WMD (1 Viewer)

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Iraq and Taliban links

* http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/06/18/saddams-links-to-al-qaeda/print/
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004242.htm
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/main/2004/07/strongthe_911_c.html

The Jist of these: Iraqi Intelligence Service and Taliban worked together in bombing embassys. Detainee confesses.

WMD
* http://wmdiniraq.blogspot.com/
* http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml
* http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2002/html/19996.htm
* http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread37785/pg1
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1340941,00.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=148385
* http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp (interesting article about why the WMD finds were kept a secret)
* http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=954262006


The Jist of these: Multiple Sources claim that Iraqi WMD's have been transported to Syria and Information on Found WMD's finally released.

 

[Joby]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

Syria has there own biological and chemical weapons, so it'd be hard to prove that any 'new' ones came from Iraq. I don't doubt the fact that if Saddam had weapons in 2003, Syria probably would be the best place to move them.

That said, if US intelligence was doing a thorough sweep of the area before the war (which they claimed to have done), why weren't these moves detected in any degree? At least some aerial or sattelitte photos would have had to be taken of truck convoys moving into the other Baathist regime.

Is the reason there's no proof because of the fact the CIA was more interested in suspicious looking RV's before the war?

 

[niftydrifty]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

Was the detainee that confessed tortured? I hear they'll say anything. Btw, has anything that Stephen Hayes ever written ever turned out to be true? Nothing will ever come of these articles.

Remember the last big article that Hayes wrote about "the connection" in Feb 2006? This one will be no different. He uses tricks with wording. I wrote about it on my blog. (http://enalnitram.blogspot.com/2006/01/stephen-hayes-terror-training-joke.html) But I won't waste my time with this new batch of articles. They're up to the same old sleight of hand. These articles will wither away. And Hayes will be back with another "connection" article in a few months. This whole business is rather pathetic, don't you think? It's really sad to have seen our country lose so much credibility. Rather than make crap up seeking to legitimize the disastrous invasion of Iraq, why not tell the truth instead?

"Sources claim" is much much different than "evidence shows." This is precisely why I am unconvinced. Sources claim a lot. Evidence shows ... not much. There is nothing to these claims and these articles, Nguyen. How much of the evidence is hearsay? How much of it remains classified?

Nguyen, I hope that you will remain reasonably skeptical when you read silly articles such as these. "Sources Claim" ... "a detainee said" ... "some people say" ...

You might as well be posting articles about UFO's and alien autopsies at Area 51. But, if you really really want to believe it, you are, of course, welcome to.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

"Sources claim" is much much different than "evidence shows." This is precisely why I am unconvinced. Sources claim a lot. Evidence shows ... not much. There is nothing to these claims and these articles, Nguyen. How much of the evidence is hearsay? How much of it remains classified?

Nguyen, I hope that you will remain reasonably skeptical when you read silly articles such as these. "Sources Claim" ... "a detainee said" ... "some people say" ...

You might as well be posting articles about UFO's and alien autopsies at Area 51. But, if you really really want to believe it, you are, of course, welcome to.

I like that you say Reasonably Skeptical, but I do not think that most of these articles are silly, especially this one; http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp. They should be reasonably considered as well as reasonably skeptical, we can't just sit around and say "oh thats crap, and so is this, and that too" just as well as we can't say "oh yeah, without a doubt I believe such and such and it's absolutely obvious that so and so did such and such.".

It's hard for me to be skeptical though, when I do believe that Militant Islam is a threat and a global conspiracy, but I will not deny that there are still questions out there that need to be answered, and the strategypage link actually answered some of mine.

I'm sorry that the wording in the jists have discouraged you from checking out the links but I did not take into accord how people would precieve the phrase "Sources Claim". Some of these links to contain proof.

 

[niftydrifty]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

hi Nguyen,
don't get me wrong. I did check out the links. I just didn't put any time or effort into typing point by point why I think they're wrong. I, like, you quickly gave you the jist.

The last link you pasted doesn't really do much for me. Here's why.

The revelation that Coalition forces have discovered about 500 shells containing chemical weapons (mostly sarin nerve gas and mustard gas) since 2003, most of which are pre-1991 Gulf War vintage...

Well, this has been debated to death, I'm sure. These aren't the WMD we went to war over, are they? They aren't going to create a mushroom cloud. And there is no evidence that Saddam had capacity to deliver them. We already knew they were there. Others like them had been found already. And inspectors predicted more would be found. The danger in these WMD is that they can be used to create IED's or similar things.

...leads to the question as to why the U.S. waited so long to reveal this.

A political stunt by Hoekstra and Santorum.

The U.S. government has taken a beating for supposed failures to find weapons of mass destruction in the press, and from political opponents.

With good reason. "Supposed?" ... I don't think so. The failures are definite.

There have been some discoveries that have made the news, most notably an incident in May, 2004, when terrorists used a 155-millimeter shell loaded with sarin in an IED.

Again, sarin in an IED is not a mushroom cloud. What country in the world doesn't have the capacity to put sarin in an IED? There were/are worse threats to the US than Saddam's Iraq.

The shell detonated, exposing two soldiers to sarin nerve gas (both of whom survived and recovered). It is this attack that provides one explanation as to why many of the finds have been classified.

This is terrible news of course. But did we go to war because we were worried about nerve gas?

If the United States were to have announced WMD finds right away, it could have told terrorists (including those from al-Qaeda) where to look to locate chemical weapons. This would have placed troops at risk – for a marginal gain in public relations. A successful al-Qaeda chemical attack would have been a huge boost for their propaganda efforts as well, enabling them to get recruits and support (many people want to back a winner), and it would have caused a decline in American morale in Iraq and on the home front.

I don't really understand what the difference between announcing WMD finds in 2004 and 2006 is. If we're announcing them now, can't "the terrorists" use them now?

"WMD" has become this huge category, including nukes and gas. When we hear that WMD have been found, but it turns out that the WMD is nerve gas, and that it is from the 80's ... it seems obvious to me that a connection is being attempted to connect it with what the administration was saying about WMD in 2002 and 2003, ... which was a WHOLE different ball of wax.

The rest of this article goes on to talk about the difficulties with intelligence and releasing info to the public. Most of these articles will. It's a smokescreen. Conjecture, and wishful thinking.

The WMD we were told about by the Bush administration will never be found.

 

[NguyenRhymesWithWin]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060313-123146-7380r.htm
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200602%5CNAT20060215a.html
The Jist: Tapes of Saddam Hussein and Company bragging about their WMD.


Here's what I think about these WMDs being kept confidential until recently and "other weapons" still being kept confidential.

We don't know if these Weapons are planted or hidden in some kind of organized series. If we found some and told everyone right away, it might be leverage for the Enemy, "Crap! Looks like we didn't erase our tracks good enough Men. We need to move other hidden WMD before they find those too.". Can't be too careful.

Question niftydrifty. Would you rather we goto War when Iraq DOES have, without a doubt, have the WMD's that you wish they had as an excuse to remove a Dictator?

The War would be even more diffacult, and there would be even more innocent people dead and the damage would be even greater. Why should we give someone like Saddam the oppourtunity to become a big threat? A thug that has no intention to be a threat to the world, that just wants to kill his own people, wouldn't reward with money Palestinian Terror or want to obtain WMDs or invade Kuwait or use his Country as training grounds and refuge for terrorists. Good thing we got him before his **** hit the fan real hard and splattered in all our faces. That's just how I feel.

 

[akyron]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

These aren't the WMD we went to war over, are they?

WMD that was supposed to have been destroyed and reported as so seems to me as exactly what the US was looking for and expected.

What is the difference between thousands dying from a "mushroom cloud" or dying from a barrel of nerve agent in the water supply?
The bottom line seems about the same to me either way.

 

[niftydrifty]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

WMD that was supposed to have been destroyed and reported as so seems to me as exactly what the US was looking for and expected.

What is the difference between thousands dying from a "mushroom cloud" or dying from a barrel of nerve agent in the water supply? The bottom line seems about the same to me either way.

Big difference. You're either dishonest or misinformed, or possibly both. Inspectors already knew the old WMD were there. They already found WMD like the recent celebrated WMD finds. They expected to find more, and said as much, pre-invasion. Old deteriorated shells were never used as a reasoning for war.

Your bottom line is overly paranoid. If you think that Saddam was going to put nerve gas into a North American water supply, show me the evidence. Otherwise, you absolutely have no point.

You could die from any gun or any weapon at any time. But the people have got to get to you to do it. Show me the evidence.

Pre-invasion, when the Bush administration gave any indication about what they meant when they were talking about WMD, it was the big stuff. Suddenly, post-invasion, WMD become anything that WMD can possibly be. I have noticed that that the Bush administration isn't touting these WMD 'discoveries' like the far right blogs are. Even they know better. They know what they said. It's only the far right wingnut crowd bringing this stuff up. Because it doesn't fly.

"A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings to Agence France-Presse that all the weapons were pre-1991 munitions 'in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for.'" Link.

"Leading government officials have discounted any notion that these pre-'91 weapons constitute the WMDs we went after." Link.

"They probably would have been intended for chemical attacks during the Iran-Iraq War, said David Kay, who headed the U.S. weapons-hunting team in Iraq from 2003 until early 2004.

He said experts on Iraq's chemical weapons are in "almost 100 percent agreement" that sarin nerve agent produced from the 1980s would no longer be dangerous.

"It is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said." Link.

 

[akyron]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

Your bottom line is overly paranoid. If you think that Saddam was going to put nerve gas into a North American water supply, show me the evidence. Otherwise, you absolutely have no point.

You should read the actual ISG report.

"M16 directorate had a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades, and a plan to bottle Sarin and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they would ship to the United States and Europe. "


Transcript: Spertzel on Annan

"Saddam Hussein was actively developing disguised aerosol weapons containing the nerve gas sarin that could be used for assassination or mass murder."

"If that were released in a closed [place] such as Madison Square Garden or even some of your smaller closed shopping malls, it would have a devastating effect. Killing hundreds or thousands."


Stockpiles have been found. We knew it was there ahead of time. Why do we continue to dispute the facts?

 

[niftydrifty]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

Please.

Paste the whole quote, why don'tcha?

"A former IIS officer claimed that the M16 directorate had a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades, and a plan to bottle Sarin and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they would ship to the United States and Europe. The source claimed that they could not implement the plan because chemicals to produce the CW agents were unavailable."

And put it together with this, which I already showed you:

"It [the deteriorating WMD pile] is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said."

I have no idea why you continue to dispute these facts. You tell me.

 

[akyron]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

"It [the deteriorating WMD pile] is less toxic than most things that Americans have under their kitchen sink at this point," Kay said."

.

I would really like to see Kay place "500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.”

under his sink. It would be quite a show.

Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction


Immediate signs and symptoms of sarin exposure

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by akyron:
Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction

Why keep bringing this up if it has already been debunked by the experts? Why even believe it in the first place when the two guys that broke this story did it to get votes in order to keep their jobs in Congress.

From your source:
Lt. General Maples agreed, in general, with these assumptions — although he could not go into detail because of the classified nature of the information.

He won't go into detail because this story is bullshit! For something this important and talked about, you would think they would lay out all the evidence they could. But were supposed to trust them?

I don't think so.

 

[niftydrifty]

akyron, I didn't even bother to click on your links. Why? Well, because Sarin has a short shelf life. Choose your own source.

 

[akyron]

akyron, I didn't even bother to click on your links. Why?

Simply because you arent interested in anything but that which you have already decided upon.




They use a binary mixing method which makes the shelf life extended or even disappear. It is stored as inert compounds and mixed before use either before loading the missile or in the missile itself for convenience.

Thats the type of shell that was used against US soldiers a couple of years ago by muslim militant insurgents.

I will be open minded enough to check out your links and guess what?

Hey look at this....

They tried several ways to lengthen shelf life and one of the more effective was:

Sarin

"Developing binary chemical weapons, where the two precursor chemicals are stored separately in the same shell, and mixed to form the agent immediate before or when the shell is in flight. This approach has the dual benefit of making the issue of shelf life irrelevant and greatly increasing the safety of sarin munitions"




Two soldiers exposed to sarin when roadside bomb explodes


"The sarin came out of a 155-milimeter artillery round that was rigged to the improvised explosive device,"

"The round was “very old, binary and divided into two, which would require the mixing of two chemical components in separate sections of the cell before” the sarin is produced,"


"Iraqi Survey Group, detailed to search for weapons of mass destruction, went to the site afterward and confirmed the presence of sarin"

deja Vu from your own links.



No one is saying there is some real slam dunk here.
What all this proves is Saddam obviously DID NOT comply with the past UN resolutions and this is exactly the type of poisonous gunk that is still turning up.



Anyone recall the Aum Shinrikyo sect ?
Japan Reflects on 1995 Sarin Gas Terror Attack

They used a crap diluted home made version of sarin and it killed 12 and injured nearly 6000.

Fully weaponized sarin is unbelievable in the damage it could do in a populated area.

The worst part is it takes so little.

Al Qaeda planned N.Y. subway attack

How an Al-Qaeda Cell Planned a Poison-Gas Attack on the N.Y. Subway

The mubtakkar

"from the contents of a laptop computer belonging to a Bahraini jihadist captured in Saudi Arabia early in 2003. It contained plans for a gas-dispersal system dubbed "the mubtakkar" (Arabic for inventive). Fearing that al-Qaeda's engineers had achieved the holy grail of terror R&D — a device to effectively distribute hydrogen-cyanide gas, which is deadly when inhaled — the CIA immediately set about building a prototype based on the captured design, which comprised two separate chambers for sodium cyanide and a stable source of hydrogen, such as hydrochloric acid. A seal between the two could be broken by a remote trigger, producing the gas for dispersal. The prototype confirmed their worst fears: "In the world of terrorist weaponry," writes Suskind, "this was the equivalent of splitting the atom."



Gee.. another binary delivery system. Surprise surprise.




Sup IMAM Billo Still preaching I see.

 

[dragonslayer]

Iraq and Taliban links

* http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/06/18/saddams-links-to-al-qaeda/print/
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004242.htm
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/main/2004/07/strongthe_911_c.html

The Jist of these: Iraqi Intelligence Service and Taliban worked together in bombing embassys. Detainee confesses.

WMD
* http://wmdiniraq.blogspot.com/
* http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml
* http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2002/html/19996.htm
* http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread37785/pg1
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1340941,00.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=148385
* http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp (interesting article about why the WMD finds were kept a secret)
* http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=954262006


The Jist of these: Multiple Sources claim that Iraqi WMD's have been transported to Syria and Information on Found WMD's finally released.

This is all misinformation and BS. I looked at ome of the websites. I have made websites and I could easily make, website that claimed Bush is communist. It would be just as meaningfull these sites you listed. All I have to do is say just a little truth and extrapolate and exaggerate like crazy. When are you right wing radicals gonna come down to planet earth. You have to breath some time.

 

[niftydrifty]

Simply because you arent interested in anything but that which you have already decided upon.

Cute. No, I told you why. And I've read it all before. My conclusions come from what I've seen and what I've read.

My you are wriggly creature. A debate about what Saddam's regime created over a decade ago, suddenly morphs into what the post-Saddam regime insurgents figgered out what to do a few years ago with it, or what some guy in Japan cooked up, or even ... al Qaeda!

I'm talking about Saddam.

My, you almost sound like the Librul Media with all your doomsday bad news from Eye-Rack.

 

[BigDog]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

I would really like to see Kay place "500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent.”

under his sink. It would be quite a show.

Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction


Immediate signs and symptoms of sarin exposure

These were degraded and not a threat to anyone. Trying to make them as such shows a certain desparation.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Iraq and Taliban links
* http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/06/18/saddams-links-to-al-qaeda/print/
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004242.htm
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/main/2004/07/strongthe_911_c.html
The Jist of these: Iraqi Intelligence Service and Taliban worked together in bombing embassys. Detainee confesses.
WMD
* http://wmdiniraq.blogspot.com/
* http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml
* http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2002/html/19996.htm
* http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread37785/pg1
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1340941,00.html
http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=148385
* http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp (interesting article about why the WMD finds were kept a secret)
* http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=954262006
The Jist of these: Multiple Sources claim that Iraqi WMD's have been transported to Syria and Information on Found WMD's finally released.

And why is it that the US Intelligence Community doesn't sing a different tune? Why is it that despite the constant stream of questions from the White House aimed at finding links between Saddam and al Qaeda which caused analysts take what they termed a “purposely aggressive approach” in conducting exhaustive and repetitive searches for such links, the US Intelligence Community remained firm in its assessment that no operational or collaborative relationship existed between Hussein and al Qaeda?

Are you proposing that these, bloggers, talking heads, and pundits have access to info that the US Intelligence Community does not?

As to the Syria angle:

Addendums to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD (pdf) page1 (page 4 of the pdf)

ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi officials , examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when
circumstances on the ground improve.
The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a flexibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq—at least when there was considerable profit for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined. There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation.
ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be noted that no information from debriefing of Iraqis in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.
Nevertheless, given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation.
It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely that conclusive information would have been found.
At best, barring discovery of original documentary evidence of the transfer, reports or sources may have been substantiated or negated, but firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible.
Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.
​

Note that "WMD-related materials" ≠ WMDs

But as WMD to Syria devotees and Bigfoot devotees are apt to say, "Absence of evidence does not equal evidence of absence. " And of course, they're both right.
However, in the meantime, folks in the reality-based community have to deal with the facts that are available and make the best decisions in light of what's known.
And, based on the evidence available at present, the WMD to Syria transfer theory seems unlikely. But, so does Bigfoot, so who's to say.

Further, according to Jack Shaw, the Defense Intelligence Agency believes the Hussein's WMD to Syria story to be "Israeli disinformation." Mr. Shaw said he acquired his intel about Russia's help in moving Iraq's WMD to Syria from a "good friend" of Dick Cheney's and that this info was derided by the DIA as "Israeli disinformation." After the Shaw launched the story, the Fox news reported "it isn't clear how this person has the authority or the knowledge to speak on such a matter."

So, again I ask, are you proposing that these, bloggers, talking heads, and pundits have access to info that the US Intelligence Community does not?

 

[oldreliable67]

Are you proposing that these, bloggers, talking heads, and pundits have access to info that the US Intelligence Community does not?

[facetious]I hate to say it, but lately I wonder...[/facetious]

The USIC got some stuff right about Iraq, but missed really badly on some other aspects (see "Cobra II" for some damning examples and anecdotes). I wish I had more confidence in their abilities.

 

[BigDog]

Still, nothing to justify tens of thousands of deaths, encouraging and growing terrorism, and destablizing the ME.

 

[akyron]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

These were degraded and not a threat to anyone. Trying to make them as such shows a certain desparation.

Lick one if you think they are so safe.

We will give you some room to convulse in peace.

 

[BigDog]

Re: Terror Links with Saddam's Reigm and found/suspected WMD

Lick one if you think they are so safe.

We will give you some room to convulse in peace.

There are many things I won't lick that I wouldn't kill someone over, or fear being killed by, let alone killing tens of thousands of people over. The facts are what they are. These had degraded long before we invaded and were of no use to Saddam and no threat to the US or anyone else, except maybe some stray kid who might find them and lick them.

And it is a sign of desperation to try and pass them off as reason for war.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by niftydrifty:
Nguyen, I hope that you will remain reasonably skeptical when you read silly articles such as these. "Sources Claim" ... "a detainee said" ... "some people say" ...

You forgot, "experts have concluded..."

 

[Muddy Creek]

Iraq and Taliban links

* http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/804yqqnr.asp
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/06/18/saddams-links-to-al-qaeda/print/
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004242.htm
http://drinkthis.typepad.com/main/2004/07/strongthe_911_c.html

The Jist of these: Iraqi Intelligence Service and Taliban worked together in bombing embassys. Detainee confesses.

WMD
* http://wmdiniraq.blogspot.com/
* http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/16/122915.shtml
* http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2002/html/19996.htm
* http://www.2la.org/syria/iraq-wmd.php
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread37785/pg1
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1340941,00.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/editorial/view.bg?articleid=148385
* http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20067502716.asp (interesting article about why the WMD finds were kept a secret)
* http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=954262006


The Jist of these: Multiple Sources claim that Iraqi WMD's have been transported to Syria and Information on Found WMD's finally released.

Hard-pressed to find any real evidence, those desperate to make themselves feel better about backing a president who lied about why he wanted the Iraq oil are willing to create blogs and other questionable sites void of substantial information to make themselves feel good.

Sorry. Bush lied and thousands have died and if you still support him, then the blood is on your hands, as well, IMO.

 

[BigDog]

Hard-pressed to find any real evidence, those desperate to make themselves feel better about backing a president who lied about why he wanted the Iraq oil are willing to create blogs and other questionable sites void of substantial information to make themselves feel good.

I agree. Many are willing to accept any little bone without seriously questioning the evidence.