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Tent Cities?

Do the homeless have a right to demand land???

  • No, the city is full of morons and this should have been nipped in the bud at the start

    Votes: 14 87.5%
  • Yes the homeless have a RIGHT to free land

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't know it's all very complex for the liberal mind

    Votes: 2 12.5%

  • Total voters
    16
Then you risk missing the calls for an interview that come between 6 and 10 PM, and hence risk not getting those jobs.

in 25 years of employment i never ever got a call from an employer after normal business hours about an application i put in
and while just about every job i have ever had was gotten through a previously established relationship, i have spent months looking for jobs. When i could not find in on my own, I took advantage of what was available to me
which is why i have been in door to door sales, mortgages, stock broker, courier company, RE, etc....
all while having gone to college for Aerospace Engineering

Two points:

1) So would I. But I also expect someone to be home when I call them for an interview, and if they aren't, I don't call them again. Not out of malice or anything, just because I've got plenty of applicants for the jobs I offer. On the other hand, I understand if someone refrains from taking a secondary job in order to maximize their chances at finding the kind of job they're looking for. The bottom line is that taking one job reduces your ability to look for another one. It's not unreasonable to believe that you'll be able to find another job making about as much as you're used to before your savings are exhausted, though that's becoming less and less the case.

^^^^^^^^^^^
I am calling 100% BS here in the above highlighted portion
most successful people i have ever known are almost NEVER unemployed
they usually see the end of a current job coming, and they line up the next job BEFORE they quit or are fired
and it is a bit hard to take a call about a new job at your old job when your boss doesnt know
not to mention you are usually being recruited or lured away by other companies

2) Where medium to high-income jobs are concerned, taking that job at McDonalds only postpones the inevitable. Most people have mortgages and car loans, and otherwise couldn't afford to purchase either a home or a car. You can't pay for such things on McDonald's salary.



And some of those excuses are not legitimate. But some of them are.



Indeed. In most instances, it was never given to them, so expecting them to have it is rather absurd.



So a person who landed a good job out of college and bought a house on the assumption that their degree and their field would be lucrative for a while is living beyond their means? Lots of people thought that the IT field was a virtual guarantor of wealth in the 1990's--it wasn't exactly stupid to think that if you were a certified Java architect you could afford a half a million dollar home in Seattle as recent history, almost all the financial advice and analysis available, etc. indicated this should really be no problem. A lot of people lost their a$$es big time doing that. They weren't lazy or stupid or crazy or anything else. A lot of them took those jobs at McDonalds and kept trying to find work in their fields, but it had either dried up or been exported to China and India.



Good thing they revised the bankruptcy law, eh? They're already building the debtors prisons...



If you're talking about my friend with two PhD's, he did exactly that. Took two years, finally found work nearly 1100 miles away. So he moved. The point was, however, that doing so precluded him taking a job at McDonald's as they'd not likely be so happy about their burger flipper being gone for a few days on a round of interviews.



Buying a home for your employees is a pretty rare deal, but most companies provide some kind of allowance for moving.



I'm actually not unsympathetic to this point of view. Indeed, I believe that by mid-century, quite a few people now living will have had their genes removed from the gene pool, so we all better get used to it.

I just happen to disagree about what it takes to survive, and why.



Not that would also pay his substantial bills. But in his case, he made it.



Except where, again, in my friend's case, it turns out to be the right decision. He might have opted for the job at McDonald's, but that would have been the wrong decision.

It's quite easy for you and others who have posted in a similar vein, I'm sure, to sit on the outside of someone's life and criticize. It's quite another thing to live life with complete clarity--very few people ever do it. It doesn't take stupidity to misread events or make a poor decision, especially where the future is concerned. It doesn't take laziness to lose a job or get in an unwinable situation. I rather think it's better to be slow to deal out baleful judgements about those who are down and out. Not that it isn't sometimes warranted, but I think mercy is deserved more often than it is given.
Since this post smells like BS, I will not waste any more time on it
until proven otherwise
 
DeeJayH said:
in 25 years of employment i never ever got a call from an employer after normal business hours about an application i put in

While in 15 years of hiring people I've made about half my calls for an interview after hours. I'm just too busy (until relatively recently, when my technical expertise has paid off and given me some breathing room) during the day. I don't know what sort of schedule you're used to, but it's not uncommon at all for me to still be at work at 8 or 9 PM. We regularly schedule interviews at 7 PM or later, but also regularly schedule them at 6 or 7AM. And we're hardly the odd men out in this matter. You're the one that needs all the crows to be black; I only need one to be white.

DeeJayH said:
I am calling 100% BS here in the above highlighted portion

Well in that case I call BS on your entire post and declare victory! See how easy that was? I should have thought of such a brilliant debate tactic long ago....

DeeJayH said:
most successful people i have ever known are almost NEVER unemployed

Again, you're the one that needs all the crows to be black. I just need to have one white crow.

DeeJayH said:
and it is a bit hard to take a call about a new job at your old job when your boss doesnt know
not to mention you are usually being recruited or lured away by other companies

You seem to be arguing my side.

DeeJayH said:
Since this post smells like BS, I will not waste any more time on it
until proven otherwise

Well, if we're talking about smells, it smells to me like you're running away, but as you will...
 
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