kaya'08
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There was a time the US was pretty isolationist. The true anti-interventionalists.
When it's not, it's typically associated with the more leftist capitalist countries of Western Europe, not more rightist capitalist countries like the U.S., which accounts for the traditional support for authoritarian political regimes by rightist administrations in this country. I think it's a matter of collusion between state and corporate power myself.
There was a time the US was pretty isolationist. The true anti-interventionalists.
There was a time the US was pretty isolationist. The true anti-interventionalists.
No more of a strawman than what you said. it's a case of like for like. When someone makes a logical argument, I return in kind with a logical argument. When one throws around blanket statements, I will throw around blanket statements. When it comes to dealing with me, you get exactly what you deserve.
The point was, you are supporting regimes which have taken steps to restrain freedom of speech.
The point was, you are supporting regimes which have taken steps to restrain freedom of speech.
Your response consisted of telling him that if he didn't agree with you he was an evil yankee capitalist imperialist, while completely ignoring the above point.
I just thought I might point that out.
Can you provide evidence of such, or are we simply to believe that a head of state elected by wide margins several times who continues to enjoy widespread popular support after more than ten years in office and seventeen years in the public eye will suddenly revert to tyranny?
Source: CNN.comVenezuelan minister: More radio closures coming
September 6, 2009
(CNN) -- The Venezuelan government initiated a new charge against a private television broadcaster and said that 29 additional radio stations would soon be closed, the latest move in what critics call a crackdown on freedom of expression. The Saturday announcement by Minister of Public Works and Housing Diosdado Cabello, who oversees the state telecommunications regulator, came at a counter-rally to marches protesting the hardline tactics of President Hugo Chavez.
Friday's marches against Chavez were in part to protest the government's closure of 32 radio stations and two television broadcasters last month. The government said the stations were shut down for violations relating to their broadcast licenses. Critics say the president was clamping down on critical press.
Cabello also announced a new legal complaint against television broadcaster Globovision as a sanction for allegedly calling for a coup against Chavez during its coverage of Friday's rallies.
Globovision carried text messages from viewers on a ticker on the bottom of the screen during the anti-Chavez protests that called for an overthrow of the government, Cabello said.
"If you call for a coup, if you call for assassination, assume your responsibility," he said.
:roll: Tens of thousands of brave Venezuelan protestors don't buy this hooey either. Venezuela had few problems with its media until the Chavez era. A remarkable coincidence no doubt.Let's delve a tad deeper: Claims of suppression of media dissent are of course to be expected, and will come as they did when RCTV did not gain license renewal in 2007. However, the more accurate reality is one of media broadcasters not gaining license renewals due to their endorsement of illegal violence against a democratically elected government that was briefly destabilized and its head of state kidnapped during a short 2002 military coup. This was certainly the case with RCTV, which continued to operate as a network broadcaster for five years after the coup until their numerous violations of their license contract were finally used as a basis for denying them renewal and continued to operate as a cable broadcaster even beyond that.
:roll: Tens of thousands of brave Venezuelan protestors don't buy this hooey either. Venezuela had few problems with its media until the Chavez era. A remarkable coincidence no doubt.
Speaking of the protestors, I'm wondering at what point Chavez adopts the more persuasive tactics of his buddy... Ahmadinejad.
Throughhertheir promotion of an unacceptable ideological perspective, which is a plague that cries out for swift and vigilant repression.
If it happened in the UK they would be spending the rest of their days in a jail cell. In the US theres every chance they would have been executed.Let's delve a tad deeper:
Claims of suppression of media dissent are of course to be expected, and will come as they did when RCTV did not gain license renewal in 2007. However, the more accurate reality is one of media broadcasters not gaining license renewals due to their endorsement of illegal violence against a democratically elected government that was briefly destabilized and its head of state kidnapped during a short 2002 military coup. This was certainly the case with RCTV, which continued to operate as a network broadcaster for five years after the coup until their numerous violations of their license contract were finally used as a basis for denying them renewal and continued to operate as a cable broadcaster even beyond that. One must wonder whether journalists in the U.S. and other allegedly "progressive" Western countries would have avoided prison time or other serious punishment if they'd engaged in such improprieties, especially considering the enthusiasm that some apparently have for the assaultive use of tear gas canisters against nonviolent and non-provocative reporters if their political and ideological commentary is regarded as unacceptable.
I couldn't have said it any better :2razz:
I have somewhat mixed sentiments about Chavez, but claims of his authoritarianism and tyrannical dictatorship don't have much merit,
If it happened in the UK they would be spending the rest of their days in a jail cell. In the US theres every chance they would have been executed.
Ya I know things like packing courts, state seizure of private media outlets, outlawing criticism of the government (desacato 'insults to authority' laws), ruling by decree, creating million manned armed militias answerable not to the Constitution (which he rewrote by the way) or to the people but only to oneself aren't classic hallmarks of a tyrant.
Um CIA Agents are citizens of the U.S. as well and thus have a vested interest in the continuance of liberty.
really depends on the military, will they be willing to fire on unarmed citizens if Chavez orders it?
Can't speak for the UK, but you boys got any evidence for these wild claims about "what would happen" in the US? Especially the "execution" nonsense? Examples would be nice.
Imperialism is related to "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? That's certainly news to me; what's not new to me is the standard abuse of political economic terminology that Internet rightists are prone to engage in, though. :2wave:
It's not anything to worry about, or cheer for if you are an imperialist. The crowds are tiny in comparison to what pro Chavez rallies attract, and certainly far less than vote for President Chavez and the revolution. We have learned from 2002 that if these bandits and terrorists try to seize power then they will fail, the people will revolt.
As for the point about the military, that is not going to happen. I have faith the military are not stupid, they saw in the coup what this "opposition" is, a violent, murderous beast. And Chavez is unlikely to order shots on unarmed people, if for nothing else, that is the tactic of the opposition, that is what they do, that is what the did in 2002 and Chavez is above their level.
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