Tens of thousands demand Iraq withdrawal

[26 X World Champs]

Actually the post you responded to was 4 line so much for that.......

I saw it in Nam and I don't want to see it again the left in this country giving aid and comfort to the enemy..........I mean for christ sake champs there was not respected or moderate politician or personality at that anti troop rally.......Where was Kerry, Murtha, Durbin and Kennedy? Where were these blowhards?

None of what you wrote is germane to the point of the demonstration or this thread.

A public protest is an expression by a group of people regarding their discontent about policy of some sort; in this case the ineptitude of George W. Bush and all those who work with him.

You, Navy Pride have done nothing but mock them and belittle them personally without ever speaking to their cause. The point of the demo was to protest the escalation of the war, that was the magnet.

Read your posts you actually (and quite interestingly) called virtually all of the protestors "Commies"! Newsflash...Sen. Joe McCarthy died a very long time ago as did the spread of Communism! For you to actually use the tactic of calling protestors "Commies" clearly proves how afraid of the anti-war protesters you are and how you will stoop to any tactic to raise fear in America.

Read your posts in this thread? The anti-Americanism they ooze with is apparent in every one of them. As you were watching C-Span yesterday you were writing posts putting down every portion of the Protest lie college students do when drunk on beer and watching something they want to goof on.

It really burnt you up when Jane Fonda spoke after 34 years of avoiding protests because she recognizes what a lightning rod she was for a small segment of right wing zealots...but this war has now become so despicable to her that she is ready to step out from behind the curtain to join the strong majority of Americans and The World who know what a blunder the Iraq War is.

Please do not waste bandwidth Navy Pride writing about Jane Fonda; instead try to address why you feel the need to mock your fellow citizens who are so concerned about their country and their fellow citizens that they would travel from all 50 states to gather and protest in unison? Why are you so against public protest? The Constitution encourages it but Navy Pride mocks it....

 

[RightinNYC]

No he doesn't! He fires generals that disagree with him. He makes decisions without considering the intelligence reports. And he is so detached from reality, that he doesn't (or does not care) see the nation telling him (via unprecedented results of the past election) to end this war.

unprecedented results? Please, inform me of exactly how the last election was unprecedented.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by RightatNYU:
unprecedented results? Please, inform me of exactly how the last election was unprecedented.

Umm............ mmmmm.............. uh............. it was the first time I used that word to describe an election?

 

[CurrentAffairs]

You, Navy Pride have done nothing but mock them and belittle them personally without ever speaking to their cause. The point of the demo was to protest the escalation of the war, that was the magnet.

Please do not waste bandwidth Navy Pride writing about Jane Fonda

What a silly game that is played on these boards. Navy Pride speaks freely on a topic. Champs criticizes and mocks NP for what he says and defends his mockery by accusing NP of mocking. Camps wants us all to remember that this is America and we are all free to speak up for what we believe ... unless you're Navy Pride. In that case, you are not to use bandwidth saying anything at all.

 

[Navy Pride]

Ok...Navy...drop the talking points and propoganda and answer this simple question:

Who is the enemy in Iraq?

And don't give us the "terrorists" answer.

Who is the enemy? Who are our troops fighting in Iraq?

It seems like there is a war between the shiites and the sunnis and neither side likes us......so who is the enemy we are fighting?

Its very hard for Sunnis to have a Civil War with Shias when 90% of the people in the country are Shia..........

There are 25 million people in Iraq and less then 1% are insurgents and terrorists and that is who we are fighting........

 

[Caine]

Actually the post you responded to was 4 line so much for that.......

I saw it in Nam and I don't want to see it again the left in this country giving aid and comfort to the enemy..........I mean for christ sake champs there was not respected or moderate politician or personality at that anti troop rally.......Where was Kerry, Murtha, Durbin and Kennedy? Where were these blowhards?

So can I ask you something NP???

Which member of "the left" directly gave secret military plans (aid) and toilet paper and pillows (comfort) to the enemy?????

 

[Billo_Really]

I just noticed the title of this thread----what a joke!

It was HUNDRED'S OF THOUSANDS!

 

[danarhea]

I give up. Who? You have no way to support that comment, Billo. You'd like to think he listens to no one and, of course, you like to assert such things, but it just doesn't hold up. I have no doubt the President listens to many people. Citizens, advisors, military generals, congress. In the end, he decides what will happen. I know it sucks that you disagree and wish it were different, but ah well.

Actually, if you are willing to wake up and smell the coffee, you can plainly see that the support for Billo's comment came in the form of an election, just last November.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Actually, if you are willing to wake up and smell the coffee, you can plainly see that the support for Billo's comment came in the form of an election, just last November.

Yep, democrats won back congress and a republican is still CinC. What is the point?

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by CurrentAffairs:
Yep, democrats won back congress and a republican is still CinC. What is the point?

Instead of a quip, why don't you post the evidence that refutes the evidence I posted that show Bush doesn't listen to anyone but Bush?

Or plan to post (since I just looked my posts on this thread)...

I'll start here...

Show Me the Intelligence!
By Ray McGovern January 21, 2007

Have you noticed? Neither President George W. Bush nor Vice President Dick Cheney have cited any U.S. intelligence assessments to support their fateful decision to send 21,500 more troops to referee the civil war in Iraq.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Instead of a quip, why don't you post the evidence that refutes the evidence I posted that show Bush doesn't listen to anyone but Bush?

It was not intended as a quip at all. Danarhea brought up the midterm elections and I replied. Regardless of the election results, Bush is still the President and still makes the discisions as Commander-in-Chief. I am quite sure he listens to all advice and then makes his decisions. Will this jealousy go on until he returns to private life?

 

[danarhea]

Yep, democrats won back congress and a republican is still CinC. What is the point?

He may be commander in chief, but he serves at the pleasure of the American people, who are HIS commander. That was amply demonstrated last November. Also, he gets to run his war only as long as Congress decides to fund it. If Congress decides to pull the financial support from his war, he is $h!t out of luck, simple as that - War over! Congress acts, based on what the people demand. The people are the decider, as it should be.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by CurrentAffairs
It was not intended as a quip at all. Danarhea brought up the midterm elections and I replied. Regardless of the election results, Bush is still the President and still makes the discisions as Commander-in-Chief. I am quite sure he listens to all advice and then makes his decisions. Will this jealousy go on until he returns to private life?

How are you so sure? What is that based on?

 

[Kasmos]

Well again, that's what our constitution says with regard to the President's duties and his role as CinC. It may be scary to you, but it's always been that way.

True, but never in the past has the CinC disregarded the American public so stubbornly, passed bills such as the MCA that gives MORE power to the executive branch, and the list can go on.

I understand that Bush has the power to control the military, but at the same time, it seems he's taking that power too much to heart and not listening to the people who elected him.

Are you saying that if he decided to go to war with Iran, even if the ENTIRE U.S. was against it, it is o.k.? If that's the case, welcome to 1984 my friend.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally Posted by danarhea
but he serves at the pleasure of the American people

I'm not that pleased!

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Kasmos
passed bills such as the MCA

The MCA is the most un-Constitutional piece of legislation that has come across Congress in 200 years. Because of it, we are no longer protected by the rights given in the Constitution.

 

[Kasmos]

^^ I know, that was part of my point. Bills such as the ones passed in this administration have never been seen before (minus maybe the detention of the Japanese during WWII), and because of such bills, Bush's arrogance towards his power unfortunately may not seem all that bad anymore (or abnormal).....

 

[CurrentAffairs]

Are you saying that if he decided to go to war with Iran, even if the ENTIRE U.S. was against it, it is o.k.?

Whether or not it is okay would be up to every individual. But in the context of his powers as CinC, yes, it would be his choice. Don't hate this President just because you disagree with that portion of our constitution.

 

[Stinger]

Tens of thousands demand Iraq withdrawal - Yahoo! News



A couple hundred right? :|

The leaders had predicted hundreds of thousands, let's say the grossly overestimated.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by CurrentAffairs:
Whether or not it is okay would be up to every individual. But in the context of his powers as CinC, yes, it would be his choice. Don't hate this President just because you disagree with that portion of our constitution.

The President cannot start a war. The Constitution is very clear on this particular issue. So Bush cannot start a war with Iran if he so deemed because he does not have the Constitutional authority to do so.