TelAbortion should be investigated

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortion, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.

The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping.

I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortion further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana.

I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Bucky said:

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortions, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.

The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping.

I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortions further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana.

I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

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Women in the US have a right to have abortions, no questions asked.

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Lursa said:

Women in the US have a right to have abortions, no questions asked.

So why should this be investigated?

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Through an app like TelAbortion?

FAQs - TelAbortion

Abortion is ILLEGAL in many states. Getting mailed a do-it-yourself abortion kit through TelAbortion is thus, illegal in states the make abortion illegal.

Marijuana is illegal in many states. It is illegal if you buy it from a drug dealer. It is illegal if you mail it to someone.

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Bucky said:

Through an app like TelAbortion?

FAQs - TelAbortion

Abortion is ILLEGAL in many states. Getting mailed a do-it-yourself abortion kit through TelAbortion is thus, illegal in states the make abortion illegal.

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Abortion is not illegal in any states.

So once again, please answer these:

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

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Lursa said:

Abortion is not illegal in any states.

So once again, please answer these:

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

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Lursa said:

Abortion is not illegal in any states.

So once again, please answer these:

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

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I think the law states you need to go to an actual clinic to get an abortion. Telabortion is treating abortions like the dollar shave club sending abortions kits.

Also, due to the Coronavirus, shouldn't all medically unnecessary surgeries be postponed? I would definitely classify abortion as elective surgery. Most abortions should be delayed until the pandemic is over.

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Bucky said:

I think the law states you need to go to an actual clinic to get an abortion. Telabortion is treating abortions like the dollar shave club sending abortions kits.

Also, due to the Coronavirus, shouldn't all medically unnecessary surgeries be postponed? I would definitely classify abortion as elective surgery. Most abortions should be delayed until the pandemic is over.

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"You think?" Let's see the facts. And if the pills are safe for women...who cares?

As for your reference to CV...that's just off-the-wall, since these pills make any kind of other medical procedure unnecessary :doh So according to you, they are a good idea since there's no need to go in for a medical procedure!

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Lursa said:

"You think?" Let's see the facts. And if the pills are safe for women...who cares?

As for your reference to CV...that's just off-the-wall, since these pills make any kind of other medical procedure unnecessary :doh So according to you, they are a good idea since there's no need to go in for a medical procedure!

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I am not comfortable with USPS being facilitated as a form of drug dealing. Also, the idea of DIY abortions sounds completely unsafe for a woman. There definitely should be a doctor present.

Abortion isn't like a hair cut.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Bucky said:

Through an app like TelAbortion?

FAQs - TelAbortion

Abortion is ILLEGAL in many states. Getting mailed a do-it-yourself abortion kit through TelAbortion is thus, illegal in states the make abortion illegal.

Marijuana is illegal in many states. It is illegal if you buy it from a drug dealer. It is illegal if you mail it to someone.

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It would be illegal for any physician to prescribe the abortion pills to any woman from any state that was not already his patient. Women can't just pick up the phone, get an instant doctor appointment to get an abortion prescription. That's 'hair on fire' craziness you're talking about and that's not at all the case. Those are legal abortions, prescribed and monitored by legal doctors, in states where abortion is legal and those pills are only used on pregnancies under 10 weeks.

Both myself, my husband and my son have all had telephone doctor appointments since we've all been under stay at home orders for nearly the past two months. The doctors want to see you, get a history, talk about drugs, side effects, etc etc. etc. They aren't careless about prescribing abortion pills either. Doctors don't want to lose their license to practice medicine by being careless.

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Bucky said:

I am not comfortable with USPS being facilitated as a form of drug dealing. Also, the idea of DIY abortions sounds completely unsafe for a woman. There definitely should be a doctor present.

Abortion isn't like a hair cut.

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It's not drug dealing and USPS delivers lots of prescriptions.

Please tell us about how unsafe these medications are for women.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Lursa said:

Women in the US have a right to have abortions, no questions asked.

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

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It is more complex than that. This mail service is only available in 13 states as part of a research study exception to the otherwise tight FDA requirements regarding dispensing mifepristone

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Drawdown said:

It is more complex than that. This mail service is only available in 13 states as part of a research study exception to the otherwise tight FDA requirements regarding dispensing mifepristone

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Is it available in other states?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Lursa said:

Is it available in other states?

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Still chasing an issue that is not there I see. It, as in the drug, is available in every state but can only be dispensed under stricter FDA guidelines than pay online and get a package in the mail. There is an exception for research and these 13 states are part of that study. Otherwise, it would be illegal to do by mail.

Bucky said:

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortion, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping. I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortion further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana. I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

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When the medical abortion pills were finally made legal in the US the anti-abortion movement got the FDA to restrict it's use. Mifiprex could not be sold by pharmacies, even with a doctors prescription. It could only be available through a clinic's office. It has to be administered by trained medical staff.
It was popular, easy to administer and it was safer than surgical abortions. It could be dispensed at any clinic even those not set up for abortions. The anti-abortion movement passed TRAP (Targeted Restrictions on Abortion Providers)laws which shut down most of the clinics dispensing medical abortion pills. Restricted clinics started using the Telehealth with on-line interview, examinations and support. The medication was dispensed by a doctor and sent by mail to the patient. The anti-abortion states immediately passed laws blocking mail delivery of the pills coming from instate doctors and out of state clinics. They were: AZ,TX, OK, LA, AR, MD, AL, TN, KY, NC, SC, WVA, TN, WI, NB, SD, ND, MS. If you were caught receiving pills the penalty was severe. Thirteen states are part of a study group and are able to use the internet for examination and consultation and send the pills to the clients. through the mail.

International service providers located abroad and dispensing generic medications were able to circumvented the closing down of clinics. Apparently the TRAP laws used the specific brand names and the international sellers got around it by using generic. These international organizations are extremely popular in anti-abortion states and are working to find ways to make them illegal.

Currently each state is making up their own laws. More information is in the Reuters link

U.S. states unsure how to halt online sales of abortion pills amid clinic crackdown - Reuters

Bucky said:

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortion, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.

The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping.

I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortion further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana.

I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

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So they're mailing the morning after pill?

Bucky said:

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortion, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.

The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping.

I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortion further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana.

I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

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You don't know jack about weed or doctors.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Lursa said:

Abortion is not illegal in any states.

So once again, please answer these:

So why should this be investigated? What abortion laws are being skirted?

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The one where those who arent medical professionals shouldn't perform medical procedures.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Bucky said:

Through an app like TelAbortion?

FAQs - TelAbortion

Abortion is ILLEGAL in many states. Getting mailed a do-it-yourself abortion kit through TelAbortion is thus, illegal in states the make abortion illegal.

Marijuana is illegal in many states. It is illegal if you buy it from a drug dealer. It is illegal if you mail it to someone.

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Abortion at the stage that pills would be used is not illegal in any state. It cannot be, as per RvW.

There is nothing wrong w/ "teleabortion", in fact it is a needed service in these days of COVID 19.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Bucky said:

I am not comfortable with USPS being facilitated as a form of drug dealing. Also, the idea of DIY abortions sounds completely unsafe for a woman. There definitely should be a doctor present.

Abortion isn't like a hair cut.

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Do you feel the same about people getting any other pharmaceuticals by mail? Many Americans get their prescriptions from Canada via the mail because it is cheaper.

These are the same pills used when a woman goes to a clinic to get them. She does not stay in the clinic until she's expelled the products of conception. She goes home and it happens there. Good grief.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Scrabaholic said:

Abortion at the stage that pills would be used is not illegal in any state. It cannot be, as per RvW.

There is nothing wrong w/ "teleabortion", in fact it is a needed service in these days of COVID 19.

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LOL, abortion is not "needed" service. It takes away resources away from covid-19 patients. Next thing you are going to tell me is people needing boob or nose jobs are necessary surgeries.

Re: TelAbortions should be investigated

Scrabaholic said:

Do you feel the same about people getting any other pharmaceuticals by mail? Many Americans get their prescriptions from Canada via the mail because it is cheaper.

These are the same pills used when a woman goes to a clinic to get them. She does not stay in the clinic until she's expelled the products of conception. She goes home and it happens there. Good grief.

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Then she should go to the clinic.

Bucky said:

These tricky pro-choice groups are trying to skirt the laws by promoting Telabortion, basically, do-it-yourself abortion kits that "doctors" send to patients that want an abortion.

The package these women get consists of two pills: mifepristone and misoprostol which causes bleeding and cramping.

I think the FDA needs to investigate Telabortion further. I question the legality of this. Is this like back when marijuana was illegal, so "patients" went to see a "doctor" complaining of headaches or stress and then they would get prescribed a weed card so they can purchase medical marijuana.

I want to know how many of these patients are being prescribed these abortion-kits. I am guessing like 100%.

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If your concern is that laws are being violated, then don't worry: Roe v Wade makes clear that abortion is legal everywhere in the US. If you are concerned about the safety of abortion kits being mailed out rather than requiring a woman to visit a medical doctor, I feel like a woman's medical doctor should be the one to determine whether or not this is safe and appropriate on a case by case basis.

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Bucky said:

LOL, abortion is not "needed" service. It takes away resources away from covid-19 patients. Next thing you are going to tell me is people needing boob or nose jobs are necessary surgeries.

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Incorrect. A woman having an abortion takes fewer resources away from covid-19 patients than does a woman taking a pregnancy to term.

A patient and her doctor are better judges of its necessity than you are. No offense.

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Bucky said:

I am not comfortable with USPS being facilitated as a form of drug dealing. Also, the idea of DIY abortions sounds completely unsafe for a woman. There definitely should be a doctor present.

Abortion isn't like a hair cut.

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Millions of medications are sent through USPS.

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Lursa said:

"You think?" Let's see the facts. And if the pills are safe for women...who cares?

As for your reference to CV...that's just off-the-wall, since these pills make any kind of other medical procedure unnecessary :doh So according to you, they are a good idea since there's no need to go in for a medical procedure!

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Okay. I'll belabor the obvious. This wouldn't be such an issue of getting an abortion through a doctor visit wasn't made so difficult, and on so many levels, to get one. Do oppose this abortion through the mail so strenuously that you support making access to medical abortions easier? If not, your argument is just self-serving.

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Off the website, the FAQ section:

"This study is sponsored by Gynuity Health Projects, a non-profit reproductive health organization. The abortion care is being provided by partner clinics in our project states.

It has been reviewed by the US Food and Drug Administration, as well as by multiple institutional review boards.

No pharmaceutical company is involved in the TelAbortion Study."

FAQs - TelAbortion