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Ted Cruz, John Kasich join forces to stop Donald Trump

Quite to the contrary. Trump is directly a product of the tea party know nothings and reeks of their stench. Without them - Trump never would have gained the ground that he has.

I have a brother-in-law who has spent his life blaming everybody in the world for his own failures and lack of success. He has been tea party from the start and he loves Trump and so do his buddies. Trumps ride to the top of the GOP would not have been possible without the tea party faction.

Where do you get the idea I love establishment republicans?

Just because your brother-in-law is a moron doesn't mean everyone else is. There is nothing Tea Party about Trump and almost nothing libertarian about Trump. You just hate all three so you dishonestly lump them together because you have no intellectual argument to make against them.
 
good idea, in addition the democrats should split into the; green, loon, neolithist, and gibsmedat, parties.

To some extent, that just might be necessary before we get true representative parties.

I have always felt that a party representing they interests of middle class working people would be better than we have today. It might sound cold - but if the Dems could cut out the poor at the bottom of their coalition and replace it with people making from 100 to 160K per year - they would win and win and win and actually do something for their supporters.

The republicans problem is a simple one: their chickens have come home to roost. The GOP is basically a party of Wall Street and Big Business and the top ten percent of earners. But you cannot win elections with that small of a group so they have used the tea party folk and the born again religions group and the main street conservatives to win elections. And once they get in office they serve the Wall Street masters well while abandoning the main street conservatives. This has been the case for quite a while now and the Trump movement is part of the reaction against that using people like toilet paper that they are guilty of.
 
This is the equivalent of a gnat and a mosquito combining forces to attack a rhino.

Only irrational hubris would lead a Ted Cruz to think he's Presidential material and more acceptable to the majority of Americans than Donald Trump would be. Donald Trump may not be taken seriously by a lot of Americans, but Ted Cruz is absolutely loathed by far more.

Donald Trump, for all his buffoonery, will actually draw support from Democrats who don't like Hillary Clinton. I don't think there's a single Democrat, no matter how much they dislike Clinton, who will vote for a thoroughly abhorrent individual like Cruz.

The Republican Party, for all its recent stupidity, will not nominate Ted Cruz over Donald Trump. They want to win the White House and deny Bill and Hillary another minute's stay in the people's house. There best chance to do that, regrettably, is by nominating Trump.

Oh man ... I couldn't agree more.
I had the same thoughts.
 
good idea, in addition the democrats should split into the; green, loon, neolithist, and gibsmedat, parties.

while we're dissolving political parties and reforming them, I'll throw my picks in:

Corporatists, (Evangelical) Social Conservatives, and Progressives


Once you pulled the Corporatists out of the Democrats and the GOP, thats pretty much what you'd have left.
 
Just because your brother-in-law is a moron doesn't mean everyone else is. There is nothing Tea Party about Trump and almost nothing libertarian about Trump. You just hate all three so you dishonestly lump them together because you have no intellectual argument to make against them.

Oh I agree. But in this case he is a moron in a very large group of morons who have demonstrated that over and over and over again.
 
Kasich has been pencilled in on the schedule as the VP candidate for a long time now going way back to Rubio. That is what he really wants and why he is staying in.

The problem now is that even Kasich can see being second in command on the Titanic is not the kind of promotion one really wants.

Christy has dropped his pants for trump in a wild card attempt to be VP
 
How the hell can either of them think this looks good for them.
The media and Party establishment may think so, but do they think Republican voters will be cheering this move?
It reinforces Trump's anti-establishment position and, by contrast, calls bull**** on Cruz's erstwhile similar position.
 
Just because your brother-in-law is a moron doesn't mean everyone else is. There is nothing Tea Party about Trump and almost nothing libertarian about Trump. You just hate all three so you dishonestly lump them together because you have no intellectual argument to make against them.

Please look at this

About Us - Tea Party

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. 2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. 3. A strong military is essential. 4. Special interests must be eliminated. 5. Gun ownership is sacred. 6. Government must be downsized. 7. The national budget must be balanced. 8. Deficit spending must end. 9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. 10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. 11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. 12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. 14. English as our core language is required. 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. -

Lots of those are Trump principles as well. And he knows enough to give lip service to them at most of his rallies.
 
agreed. The question now is no longer who wins in November - bet the ranch on Clinton - the question is does the GOP survive in its current form or do they have to seriously rebuild forming a new party by purging themselves of right libertarians and tea party know nothings who led them to this precipice?

Unsure really.

After Romney lost in 2012, there was various considerations made within the party on what to do next given the demographic shifting going on. We all remember the "Growth and Opportunity Project" that ended up laughed and ridiculed right out of consideration by what is left of the social conservative commentary groups out there. That business model of taking a *decreasing* demographic and making them increasingly angry and or freighted of everyone else. The whole deal was right behind the party having to digest the Tea Party going up against establishment ideology.

At this point I would offer the division between all the factions of those who might vote Republican is too large to bridge into consensus. Anti-establishment might not agree with social conservative wants, and establishment North Eastern Republicans probably will never agree with Tea Party leaning voters further west. It seems to be getting increasingly worse the further we go.

Libertarians have always been on the outside looking in anyway, minimal government advocates have zero place in the Republican Party. The harsh truth is they never will.

And now we have 2016, and literally candidates conspiring on preventing the front-runner from reaching the delegate threshold before convention. Ja... we will be talking about this for a while.

The GOP is going to have to do something, sitting back and watching these factions eliminate the party on the national stage cannot go on. I question if it is too late, perhaps to your point where the party ends up separating permanently.
 
Christy has dropped his pants for trump in a wild card attempt to be VP

Oh - I agree that is his hope. But Kasich is far more valuable since he can deliver the important electoral prize of Ohio and the GOP cannot win without Ohio.
 
Libertarians need their own party and right libertarians especially need their own party and it is NOT the Republicans. Same with tea party folk.

Both groups did NOT want to do the work of building a new party so they tried to hijack the existing GOP and we see the results today.

The republicans have become a joke and the tea party faction and the right libertarians only make it a more hilarious punchline.

1. You like the establishment ****heads in DC that have been the party of bend over.
2. Lets not be ridiculous and pretend for even an instant you give a wet fart about the Republican party except as chumps for the Democrats.
3. Given 1 and 2, why does anything you are saying have a shred of credibility?
 
Please look at this

About Us - Tea Party

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. 2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. 3. A strong military is essential. 4. Special interests must be eliminated. 5. Gun ownership is sacred. 6. Government must be downsized. 7. The national budget must be balanced. 8. Deficit spending must end. 9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. 10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. 11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. 12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. 14. English as our core language is required. 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. -

Lots of those are Trump principles as well. And he knows enough to give lip service to them at most of his rallies.

That's funny, isn't a lot of that what Republicans ran on in 2010, 2012, and 2014 when they had legislative seat gains?

Then when they got to DC...not so much.

You think the policy is part of the problem, I think crooked politicians are.
 
Please look at this

About Us - Tea Party

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. 2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. 3. A strong military is essential. 4. Special interests must be eliminated. 5. Gun ownership is sacred. 6. Government must be downsized. 7. The national budget must be balanced. 8. Deficit spending must end. 9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. 10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. 11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. 12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. 14. English as our core language is required. 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. -

Lots of those are Trump principles as well. And he knows enough to give lip service to them at most of his rallies.

Non Tea party republican establishment folks like Jeb Bush would agree with 90% of those as well, so whats your point?
 
This is a last ditch effort that reeks of desperation - not to mention perhaps the worst timing ever. Both of these guys have tickets in their hands to a voyage on the Titanic and they are arguing about who gets the room with the best view. This only makes Trump look stronger.

Kasich has not really been running a campaign for a while now so he has precious little to suspend in those states. And Cruz no longer has any real states to be competitive in so he concentrates on internal ground operation in states where he can steal delegates from Trump and counter the voters wishes. Some principled guy you have there. Cruz is a slimy scumbag who reeks of full blown creepiness on a level that you have to go back to Joe McCarthy to see.

In the end this probably matters little as Trump has boxed the GOP into such a corner that they only outcome is for them to lose big in November and lose the Senate as well.

If this story and strategy had appeared last December - things might have been different. But now its far too little and far too late to change the destiny of the Republicans which is to be the biggest losers since 1972.
That's what Trump says, and I think it's correct. It is a last-ditch desperation tactic.


It's a lose lose situation for GOP. If trump earns the nomination, huge loss in November and likely his rhetoric set back party politics and influence for a generation. Steal it from him and give it to Cruz, they disenfranchise republican voters who voted for Trump and lose big in general election. Cruz just becomes a run of the mill losing presidential candidate. Some chance the party could recover within an election cycle. Kasich would be nice in the general, but he hasn't earned the nomination by any stretch.
I agree it will severely damage the GOP, but I don't think it will last a generation.
 
When Kasich shakes hands with Lyin Ted it would be highly advised he count his fingers to make certain he still has 5.
 
Please look at this

About Us - Tea Party

15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
1. Illegal aliens are here illegally. 2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable. 3. A strong military is essential. 4. Special interests must be eliminated. 5. Gun ownership is sacred. 6. Government must be downsized. 7. The national budget must be balanced. 8. Deficit spending must end. 9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal. 10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must. 11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory. 12. Political offices must be available to average citizens. 13. Intrusive government must be stopped. 14. English as our core language is required. 15. Traditional family values are encouraged. -

Lots of those are Trump principles as well. And he knows enough to give lip service to them at most of his rallies.

Sounds wonderful, but practical reality is that #s 6, 7, & 8 are mutually exclusive to #s 10 & 11.

#1: Duh!

#4: Put up, or shut up. I don't believe they are sincere. They depend on special interests as much as anyone else.

#12: Same comment as #4, they participate in discouraging newcomers as much as anyone else. I don't see them submitting bills to tear down the barriers to fair competition.
 
Sounds wonderful, but practical reality is that #s 6, 7, & 8 are mutually exclusive to #s 10 & 11.

#1: Duh!

#4: Put up, or shut up. I don't believe they are sincere. They depend on special interests as much as anyone else.

#12: Same comment as #4, they participate in discouraging newcomers as much as anyone else. I don't see them submitting bills to tear down the barriers to fair competition.

I never said they made sense or were logically consistent - only that Trump at least gives lip service to most of the items on that list.
 
When Kasich shakes hands with Lyin Ted it would be highly advised he count his fingers to make certain he still has 5.

Good advice - and if I shook hands with Cruz the second thing I would do is smell them.
 
nominating trump is the only way the GOP survives, trump voters are not right wingers, we're centrists like you CLAIM to be.

IF Trump was a centralist like you claim he'd be way ahead in the national polls on who does best against Hillary or Bernie but he gets buried. :roll:

He is an opportunist, a panderer to the worst of America's fears and hate. He calls everyone else a liar and yet there is so much tape on him doing just that. He is so unprepared to be President there is a collective horror across our Republic and the rest of the world. He is a thin skinned bully. A thick skulled rabble rouser. A vague hand gesture substitute for any sort of plan for the future- "trust me I'll do such great things"

Empty rhetoric is his forte- "Make America Great Again".... it already is the greatest nation on earth- our problem is all the regressive know nothings who demand we return to the 50's...

But you maybe correct on Trump as the salvation of the GOP. In a perverse way of course- Trump is brings the TP/ radical right pimple to a head. It will be popped and once all the pus is wiped away a new GOP will emerge... :peace
 
I doubt it, no one ever talks about the supposedly stolen election of 2000.

I have my doubts my friend, this election season has been too awkward and for all the wrong reasons. I am seeing a deterioration within the Republican Party that we should not ignore. On a Congressional seat level Republicans can still appeal to enough of a demographic to ensure a chair, but we are seeing something national where all these factions of the party can no longer get along. It is going to be interesting to see how the GOP handles this loss, on the heals of 2012 and 2008. All post a convention that might be contested.

Will they learn and adapt, or stay with the tired old path to a national nomination now marred in faction complications? It is a legitimate question the GOP is going to have to face.
 
This is an obvious admission by Kasich and Cruz that they are worried that Trump is going to wrap up the nomination before the convention. It reeks of desperation and makes both of them look incredibly weak.
 
Good advice - and if I shook hands with Cruz the second thing I would do is smell them.

You would definitely want to wash them. I just wouldn't trust Cruz in this partnership. We already seen how he tried to torpedo Ben Carson.
 
The ability of the establishment to screw up an absolute lay up election is incredible. We're finally coming off the worst President ever, with two Democrat/socialist/statist on the left that will clearly head down the same road to ruin. And they've managed to fight and sabotage each other enough to now give a hideous candidate like Hillary a very good chance of winning. Incredible.
 
This is an obvious admission by Kasich and Cruz that they are worried that Trump is going to wrap up the nomination before the convention. It reeks of desperation and makes both of them look incredibly weak.

I agree. Plus it seems like bad strategy. You would think Kasich, being the governor of neighboring Ohio, would be the stronger candidate in Indiana (if not Pennsylvania as well). But if he isn't strong enough to carry either of those states, then he should just exit the race and let Cruz go one-on-one.
 
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