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Ted Cruz does not care about you, Republican “grown-ups”

Sure, you can go to your local ER for treatment even if you are homeless or a minimum wage worker. So who pays for the treatment? The taxpayers

An average ER visit costs more than an average month’s rent

Prices in our health-care system are absurd. They range dramatically depending on where you seek treatment and what type of health insurance coverage you have.
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What happens to those who need care but the ER staff is so burdened with patients they miss some very needy persons?
Ignored Woman Dies on Emergency Room Floor
Ignored by 911, Woman dies in Hospital

If you are homeless and penniless, what happens after your initial treatment?
Patient Dumped by Los Angeles Hospital and Lost in Skid Row Sues Over Negligence - Press Releases - Public Counsel
Patient Dumping: Violations Cost Hospitals Thousands of Dollars Per Year

Who do you think will be paying those hospital charges?
 
Henrin said:
Just because some other republicans were for it years ago does not mean republicans today have to be for it. Lets keep in mind however that the idea was proposed originally by a republican think tank as a possible compromise to be made with democrats but they later retracted the idea. Think tanks job is to come up with ideas and just because they think of something does not mean anyone supports it.

As for the position of no compromise, again, I'm totally for it when offered the ideas that are coming out of Obama and the democratic party.



Repealing Obamacare is an important step to be made to restore the liberty of the people. Of course, it's a bit annoying that they don't seem interested in anything else, but I can't fault them for their efforts here.
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Repealing the ACA will NEVER HAPPEN!!!!! 40 times? What a waste of time and money. Maybe the republicans should get together and come up with a better plan instead of just trying to repeal. That would be a novelty wouldn't it?
 
Carleen said:
Repealing the ACA will NEVER HAPPEN!!!!! 40 times? What a waste of time and money. Maybe the republicans should get together and come up with a better plan instead of just trying to repeal. That would be a novelty wouldn't it?
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The votes are a waste of time. I can understand them (not necessarily agree with it) "trying" to repeal it when a new set of people have been elected, but 40 times in this amount of time? What a waste.
 
TheNextEra said:
The votes are a waste of time. I can understand them (not necessarily agree with it) "trying" to repeal it when a new set of people have been elected, but 40 times in this amount of time? What a waste.
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the definition of insanity is.... what was it again? something repeating the same action over and over.... someone help me out here.
 
shagg said:
the definition of insanity is.... what was it again? something repeating the same action over and over.... someone help me out here.
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Yes, but then we have seen our debt get worse under Dem and Rep presidents and representatives in Congress, so the same can apply there as well.
 
I was talking about the 40 attempts at repeal, but yeah, if you want to generalize a little the entire government is insane to some degree.
 
Carleen said:
Repealing the ACA will NEVER HAPPEN!!!!! 40 times? What a waste of time and money.
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Fine, just don't expect me to start working with you. If you aren't going to give me my liberty than I have no reason to consider anything you say, ever.

Maybe the republicans should get together and come up with a better plan instead of just trying to repeal. That would be a novelty wouldn't it?
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Oh, because republicans are so interested in having more government in healthcare. Yup, totally going to support offering up ideas towards those ends. You're the guys that want more government in healthcare, so you offer up ideas towards your own desires.
 
Henrin said:
Fine, just don't expect me to start working with you. If you aren't going to give me my liberty than I have no reason to consider anything you say, ever.



Oh, because republicans are so interested in having more government in healthcare. Yup, totally going to support offering up ideas towards those ends.
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I guess I should have added (just kidding) because it really is a joke!
 
Carleen said:
I guess I should have added (just kidding) because it really is a joke!
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I don't consider anything funny about being unwilling to give people their liberty.
 
Henrin said:
I don't consider anything funny about being unwilling to give people their liberty.
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do you feel that all restrictions on liberty are bad?
 
Somerville said:
First, shagg, you must understand that "liberty" has some interesting definitions amongst the righties :lol:
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I assume you think a socialist is someone fit to lecture someone on liberty?
 
Henrin said:
Of course.
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The concept of social contract is the basis of civilized society, where might does not make right. In order to enjoy the security and protection that comes with living in modern society one sacrifices a small part of ones personal liberty in exchange for the protection of the remaining liberty. If you desire 0 restrictions to your personal liberty, you pretty much have to live outside of any modern society. And don't forget your guns, you'll need them, because no police force will rescue you from thieves, murderers, tyrants, or rapists should they happen to find you. No one will protect your right to your own life, liberty, or property. That is total liberty with 0 restrictions.
 
shagg said:
The concept of social contract is the basis of civilized society, where might does not make right. In order to enjoy the security and protection that comes with living in modern society one sacrifices a small part of ones personal liberty in exchange for the protection of the remaining liberty. If you desire 0 restrictions to your personal liberty, you pretty much have to live outside of any modern society. And don't forget your guns, you'll need them, because no police force will rescue you from thieves, murderers, tyrants, or rapists should they happen to find you. No one will protect your right to your own life, liberty, or property. That is total liberty with 0 restrictions.
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Here's one fine example of the results of the thinking you delineate

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shagg said:
The concept of social contract is the basis of civilized society, where might does not make right. In order to enjoy the security and protection that comes with living in modern society one sacrifices a small part of ones personal liberty in exchange for the protection of the remaining liberty. If you desire 0 restrictions to your personal liberty, you pretty much have to live outside of any modern society. And don't forget your guns, you'll need them, because no police force will rescue you from thieves, murderers, tyrants, or rapists should they happen to find you. No one will protect your right to your own life, liberty, or property. That is total liberty with 0 restrictions.
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I don't have to give up anything to have the government act as an impartial, objective agent of my right to self-defense. There is absolutely no reason I have to permit any sort of infringement to have my life, liberty and estate protected.
 
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Threegoofs said:
Yep. And allowing you to step over the bodies guilt free! Doesn't that work out great!

Enjoy your new pickup
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Well...as long as the bodies were of libtard extremists, I'm perfectly ok with it. Enjoy your ten-speed, and stay to the side of the road.
 
TheNextEra said:
Speaking of retardation, morons, and more importantly lack of reading comprehension, where did anyone mention "killing all black people" because it sure wasn't liberals in this thread.
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Yes yes...I was totally serious when I mentioned killing black people. Jesus Christ, man.

As for your emergency room comment, no noone gets turned away for LIFE-SAVING treatment that an emergency room can provide. However, what about treatments for cancer, MS, and a host of other debilitating diseases that people get and can't pay for? MS medicatiion (the infusion) costs about $12,000 per month. Now, tell me how a person who is not completely rich supposed to pay for that?
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Show me somewhere in the law where people have a right to this type of treatment. In fact...show me somewhere in the law where people have the right to take money from other people to pay for their treatment. I know this sounds insensitive, but not everyone can (or will) get this kind of treatment. Such is life. It happens even in the most socialist of countries.
 
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