Teacher who threw feces at boy may keep job

[Gitdog]

Maria Pantalone, 49, a sister of Toronto's deputy mayor, was granted an absolute discharge on assault charges Monday after a judge said she "had already suffered enough," according to court documents.

In his ruling, the judge said Pantalone was "publicly embarrassed, if not humiliated. She has suffered more than most."

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Unf/cking believable! The teacher is the victim!

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

The teacher is the victim!

She would be if it had been my kid she threw **** at.

edit: Reading the link, it's clear that there was some provocation. While this might be enough to grant the abandonment of assault charges against her... there's simply no excuse for allowing someone to keep their job after an incident like that.

 

[Chanda]

Am I the only one curious as to the source of the feces? I mean, how did the feces happen to be in the vicinity and convenient for the teacher to throw? Is that too much information? If the student had, for instance, placed the feces on the teacher's desk, wouldn't that make her actions still unacceptable, but more understandable at least?

 

[Gitdog]

I did wonder why there would be crap laying around. But no matter what, the teacher is responsible for the students and their education. I don't think throwing crap at them counts as a teaching lesson. She is the adult, she has to set an example of how adults behave. Not monkeys. :mrgreen:

 

[talloulou]

Am I the only one curious as to the source of the feces? I mean, how did the feces happen to be in the vicinity and convenient for the teacher to throw? Is that too much information? If the student had, for instance, placed the feces on the teacher's desk, wouldn't that make her actions still unacceptable, but more understandable at least?

Hey I was thinking the same thing. If some bozo placed a bag of $hit on my desk I might hurl it at them! If the $hit belonged to the kid she threw it at then she shouldn't be punished at all. However if the $hit belonged to anyone else than she should be fired. If the $hit was hers she should be committed. :rofl

 

[aps]

Am I the only one curious as to the source of the feces? I mean, how did the feces happen to be in the vicinity and convenient for the teacher to throw? Is that too much information? If the student had, for instance, placed the feces on the teacher's desk, wouldn't that make her actions still unacceptable, but more understandable at least?

Excellent, excellent point. I am guessing it was something of that nature.

I had a group of kids in my neighborhood harass me. They threw bags of feces at my house. They kicked in my fence another time. They did some other stuff. I was at my wits' end because I couldn't stand leaving my house empty during the day.

The good news is that I banned one of the kids from the neighborhood (we live in a private community). He trespassed afterwards, I got him arrested, and he had to show up in court. It was beautiful. Don't mess with aps.

 

[talloulou]

Excellent, excellent point. I am guessing it was something of that nature.

I had a group of kids in my neighborhood harass me. They threw bags of feces at my house. They kicked in my fence another time. They did some other stuff. I was at my wits' end because I couldn't stand leaving my house empty during the day.

The good news is that I banned one of the kids from the neighborhood (we live in a private community). He trespassed afterwards, I got him arrested, and he had to show up in court. It was beautiful. Don't mess with aps.

OMG aps what the hell are you doing to the neighborhood kids that caused them to throw $hit at your house???

 

[aps]

OMG aps what the hell are you doing to the neighborhood kids that caused them to throw $hit at your house???

I banned skateboarding from the neighborhood. They were disrupting the entire neighborhood at all hours and vandalizing mailboxes and other areas on the property. They were out of control. These kids had no discipline at home.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I banned skateboarding from the neighborhood. They were disrupting the entire neighborhood at all hours and vandalizing mailboxes and other areas on the property. They were out of control. These kids had no discipline at home.

Oh. You're that lady.

lol

 

[rathi]

I banned skateboarding from the neighborhood. They were disrupting the entire neighborhood at all hours and vandalizing mailboxes and other areas on the property. They were out of control. These kids had no discipline at home.

Under what authority can you ban skateboarding from an entire neighborhood?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Teen Spirit

"Teen Spirit"

Under what authority can you ban skateboarding from an entire neighborhood?

That is a fine question. And how did the rowdy bunch destroy that much private property?

Our city has a public skate park with the works.

 

[aps]

Under what authority can you ban skateboarding from an entire neighborhood?

We are a private association run by a Board of Directors. I am on the Board of Directors (there are 3 of us) and we voted unanimously to ban it.

 

[aps]

Re: Teen Spirit

"Teen Spirit"
That is a fine question. And how did the rowdy bunch destroy that much private property?

Our city has a public skate park with the works.

We have a public path that goes under a tunnel. They put graffiti all over the tunnel and broke the lights. We repainted the tunnel and replaced the lights. They put graffiti all over the tunnel again and broke the lights again. They defaced several mailboxes (we have group mailboxes). All of their graffiti had racial slurs. This path runs through the woods. They spray painted the trees with words like "N igger." They put Nazi signs on specific mailboxes of those homeowners who aren't American.

Sorry, but this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Nothing like that happened in my neighborhood growing up. It is so much quieter now--I love it.

There are skate parks that these kids could go to, but they didn't seem to want to take the extra effort to get there.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Private Property Management

"Private Property Management"

We are a private association run by a Board of Directors. I am on the Board of Directors (there are 3 of us) and we voted unanimously to ban it.

We have a public path that goes under a tunnel....

Then the path is not public property and the municipal charge is trespassing.

 

[aps]

Re: Private Property Management

"Private Property Management"

Then the path is not public property and the municipal charge is trespassing.

Monk-Eye, why don't you focus on something else? We are responsible for the upkeep of the path, the lighting, and the tunnel. Okay? We were well within our rights to ban skateboarding from our property. We did not ban it on the path.

 

[talloulou]

Re: Teen Spirit

We have a public path that goes under a tunnel. They put graffiti all over the tunnel and broke the lights. We repainted the tunnel and replaced the lights. They put graffiti all over the tunnel again and broke the lights again. They defaced several mailboxes (we have group mailboxes). All of their graffiti had racial slurs. This path runs through the woods. They spray painted the trees with words like "N igger." They put Nazi signs on specific mailboxes of those homeowners who aren't American.

Sorry, but this kind of behavior is unacceptable. Nothing like that happened in my neighborhood growing up. It is so much quieter now--I love it.

There are skate parks that these kids could go to, but they didn't seem to want to take the extra effort to get there.

So why didn't you ban graffiti & vandelism? What's up with banning skateboards?

When I was kid we lived in a neighborhood association where they banned playing in alley ways! :roll: Mostly it was a bunch of grumpy old people that couldn't bear the sound of children playing. Bunch of a$$holes if you ask me.

The neighborhood where I live now took care of the children playing problem by building a whole neighborhood with no sidewalks! Bunch of a$$holes. Now the wee ones can't play out front unless you're okay with sending them out to play in the street!

 

[jallman]

Re: Teen Spirit

So why didn't you ban graffiti & vandelism? What's up with banning skateboards?

When I was kid we lived in a neighborhood association where they banned playing in alley ways! :roll: Mostly it was a bunch of grumpy old people that couldn't bear the sound of children playing. Bunch of a$$holes if you ask me.

The neighborhood where I live now took care of the children playing problem by building a whole neighborhood with no sidewalks! Bunch of a$$holes. Now the wee ones can't play out front unless you're okay with sending them out to play in the street!

That's just messed up and it would seem something can be done to alleviate these situations. If you don't like being in a neighborhood with children around, move to a *****ing retirement home and be done with it. Children are part of our society and a very important part at that.

I can see aps's point about the vandalism and graffiti. However, I think the more measured response would have been to get the authorities and neighborhood watch involved in pressing criminal charges rather than banning what is a harmless activity. Separate the criminal behavior from the playing.

 

[aps]

Okay, let's not get off topic.

Trust me, the police were heavily involved and we did start a neighborhood watch. We banned skateboarding as a last resort--when nothing else was working and when the police recommended that we ban it. It would be one thing if we were dealing with responsible, considerate kids. When I was growing up, we skateboarded in our neighborhood, but we were also very considerate. We weren't going on people's driveways and skateboarding at 11pm at night making all sorts of noises. You all seem to think that it's the neighbors's fault when I think it's the parents' fault (the parents of these kids). My parents would never have allowed me to behave the way these kids were behaving. I stand by my decision, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. You don't like the rules of the neighborhood? MOVE.

 

[talloulou]

Okay, let's not get off topic.

Trust me, the police were heavily involved and we did start a neighborhood watch. We banned skateboarding as a last resort--when nothing else was working and when the police recommended that we ban it. It would be one thing if we were dealing with responsible, considerate kids. When I was growing up, we skateboarded in our neighborhood, but we were also very considerate. We weren't going on people's driveways and skateboarding at 11pm at night making all sorts of noises. You all seem to think that it's the neighbors's fault when I think it's the parents' fault (the parents of these kids). My parents would never have allowed me to behave the way these kids were behaving. I stand by my decision, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. You don't like the rules of the neighborhood? MOVE.

That's what my parents eventually did! And because of their experience in living in a house that comes with a "homeowners association" I would never buy a house where I was forced to obey neighborhood regulations. I remember my parents getting a letter saying the tree in our front yard had gotten too big and had to be taken down. It wasn't that big at all and my parents ignored the letters. Well one day we came home and the tree was freaking gone! The home owners association had it removed! We moved shortly thereafter. :doh Never was much of a fan of those cookie cutter, every third house matches, type neighborhoods anyway. I mean they use to hassle my folks for not getting their trashcan off the streets by a certain time of day! Crazy crazy stuff if you ask me.

No skateboarding is like hanging a sign that says "We hate kids. Now Get!":rofl

 

[aps]

That's what my parents eventually did! And because of their experience in living in a house that comes with a "homeowners association" I would never buy a house where I was forced to obey neighborhood regulations. I remember my parents getting a letter saying the tree in our front yard had gotten too big and had to be taken down. It wasn't that big at all and my parents ignored the letters. Well one day we came home and the tree was freaking gone! The home owners association had it removed! We moved shortly thereafter. :doh Never was much of a fan of those cookie cutter, every third house matches, type neighborhoods anyway. I mean they use to hassle my folks for not getting their trashcan off the streets by a certain time of day! Crazy crazy stuff if you ask me.

No skateboarding is like hanging a sign that says "We hate kids. Now Get!":rofl

Well, to each his/her own. I like the neighborhoods that come with rules. People who leave their trash cans out all the time make me sick, as do inconsiderate, irresponsible kids/adults. My neighborhood growing up did not have these rules, but yet somehow my parents were able to teach us all (I have 3 other siblings) good manners. Go figure.

 

[talloulou]

Well, to each his/her own. I like the neighborhoods that come with rules. People who leave their trash cans out all the time make me sick, as do inconsiderate, irresponsible kids/adults. My neighborhood growing up did not have these rules, but yet somehow my parents were able to teach us all (I have 3 other siblings) good manners. Go figure.

Good manners, sure. But aps at what cost??? I mean if your neighbor leaves his trash can out too long it makes you sick! Getting physical ill over the geographical location of your neighbors trash can is just a tad nutty don't you think? I can understand if you're living next to a total pig but lets say your neighbor is nice and pretty clean in general but they forget to haul their trash can off the street till lets say the day after trash day...:shock: And it dosen't even just irritate you. It makes you sick! Sweetie that is insane! I think you need more sex pronto.

 

[RightOfCenter]

We are a private association run by a Board of Directors. I am on the Board of Directors (there are 3 of us) and we voted unanimously to ban it.

Have you banned smoking yet :mrgreen: ?

 

[Awesome!]

Okay, let's not get off topic.

Trust me, the police were heavily involved and we did start a neighborhood watch. We banned skateboarding as a last resort--when nothing else was working and when the police recommended that we ban it. It would be one thing if we were dealing with responsible, considerate kids. When I was growing up, we skateboarded in our neighborhood, but we were also very considerate. We weren't going on people's driveways and skateboarding at 11pm at night making all sorts of noises. You all seem to think that it's the neighbors's fault when I think it's the parents' fault (the parents of these kids). My parents would never have allowed me to behave the way these kids were behaving. I stand by my decision, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. You don't like the rules of the neighborhood? MOVE.

I'm touched aps, a liberal who supports rules! I'm getting teary eyed right now.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Just an observation. It seems to me that many of you are overreacting to this situation. It doesn't seem as if aps' organization enacted this decision, impulsively or without merit. It seem like this was done as a last resort, as other things weren't working.

 

[paulmarkj]

there's simply no excuse for allowing someone to keep their job after an incident like that.

Well, I can think if one: what if someone tried to throw feces at me, hit me and I threw it back. I'm not saying that happened, but there certainly can be excuses.