Teacher decapitated near Paris

[EMNofSeattle]

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Providing a direct quote and including the source is not “plagiarism”. Plagiarism is when you try to pass someone else’s work off as your own.

No, the trigger for the conflict was the King’s betrayal of France to hostile foreign powers....after he had spent years running it into the ground. Your claim that it was an attempt to wipe out Catholicism in France is completely false; not there were no campaigns of extermination across the country(or in the Vendee, for that matter, as Catholics living there who supported the Revolution were unmolested). Claims that it was a genocide, therefore, hold no water....as has already been established.

There is no such thing as a Catholic who supports the French revolution. The French revolution was explicitly anti-clerical. The war in the Vendée Begun after Republicans sympathizers harassed and killed priests who wouldn’t take the civil Constitution of the clergy, and all church land and church buildings were confiscated and religious icons destroyed. There is no way you can look at the actions of the French Republicans and conclude that they attempted to do anything other than wipeout Catholicism in France. Buy this phase of the French revolution it is impossible to claim there were any sincere Catholics who supported it in any meaningful way

 

[Tigerace117]

There is no such thing as a Catholic who supports the French revolution. The French revolution was explicitly anti-clerical. The war in the Vendée Begun after Republicans sympathizers harassed and killed priests who wouldn’t take the civil Constitution of the clergy, and all church land and church buildings were confiscated and religious icons destroyed. There is no way you can look at the actions of the French Republicans and conclude that they attempted to do anything other than wipeout Catholicism in France. Buy this phase of the French revolution it is impossible to claim there were any sincere Catholics who supported it in any meaningful way

Oh look, another blatant falsehood. The French populace at the time of the Revolution was almost entirely Catholic, so arguing that “no Catholics supported the Revolution” is laughably wrong— they never could have put an army in the field, much less the multiple armies they did, if no Catholics— or even a majority of Catholics— didn’t support them.

The war in the Vendee only began after, again, the King had betrayed France and tried to coax foreign powers into an invasion. That was what prompted the implementation of conscription, which was the grievance of the Vendee just as much as religious issues were.

False....again.

The French Revolution and the Catholic Church | History Today

www.historytoday.com

Priests who swore loyalty to the Constitution and the new French State— which amounted over 50 percent— were allowed to operate freely. While further revolutionary governments would impose varying degrees of restriction on open worship and the Church, that is a far cry from trying to commit a genocide as you claim.

You whining because others aren’t as fanatical as you think they should be, again, doesn’t change the facts.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Oh look, another blatant falsehood. The French populace at the time of the Revolution was almost entirely Catholic, so arguing that “no Catholics supported the Revolution” is laughably wrong— they never could have put an army in the field, much less the multiple armies they did, if no Catholics— or even a majority of Catholics— didn’t support them.

The war in the Vendee only began after, again, the King had betrayed France and tried to coax foreign powers into an invasion. That was what prompted the implementation of conscription, which was the grievance of the Vendee just as much as religious issues were.

False....again.

The French Revolution and the Catholic Church | History Today

www.historytoday.com

Priests who swore loyalty to the Constitution and the new French State— which amounted over 50 percent— were allowed to operate freely. While further revolutionary governments would impose varying degrees of restriction on open worship and the Church, that is a far cry from trying to commit a genocide as you claim.

You whining because others aren’t as fanatical as you think they should be, again, doesn’t change the facts.

It was the national assembly who declared war with Austria. The king nearly signed the declaration of war which was passed overwhelmingly in the assembly. The idea that the king instigated the war is a falsehood. Additionally, a king by nature is sovereign and so it is impossible for a king to commit treason. A king cannot betray because he is the only sovereign authority by which policy may be made.

Also, the civil Constitution of the clergy was against canon law. The bishops rejected it as did the Vatican. So no no sincere Catholic supported the French revolution.

When you destroy religious buildings, kill ministers, declare a religion as being a threat that needs to be wiped out, there is no term for that other than genocide. Most generously you can only call this pre-genocide. However, I know that you are an open communism supporter, and that you probably despise all religious people and so the only reason you do not call this a genocide is because you politically support murdering the faithful

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Yeah, burning at the stake, strappado, water torture, the rack, the breaking wheel (All Inquisition tortures), sure, I can see how a Catholic might be offended at the lack of mercy from Native Americans

But it seems you'd support their uprising?

Of American Indians? It depends on the circumstances and what their demands were and what they were willing to entertain in negotiation. Clearly ideology matters. There is right and wrong after all.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It was a comment more on methodology/justification rather ideology.

So I guess you only approve of such violence for ideologies you approve of then?

It depends on what you mean by violence and what ideology we are talking about.

political violence in the context of tyrannicide is only justifiable when there is no other option. Political violence in the context of self defense is justified when the objective is protection of the collective body from harm by another body.

clearly ideology matters, violence by ideologies like secular leftism which inherently evil is never justified so I would not defend such a thing.

In cases like this clearly the Muslim guy committed an unjustified act, but that doesn’t mean the secular left was right to try to brainwash the children

 

[Ringo Stalin]

"France is going to publish a book with caricatures of Islam".
I wonder why ridiculing the "new ethics", 152-x gender, feminism and hypocritical "fight against racism" is "hate speech", and caricatures of the values of a certain religious group is "freedom of speech"?

 

[Ringo Stalin]

The French authorities may expel more than 230 foreigners suspected of extremism from the country after the murder of a teacher.
This is reported by the media with reference to the Ministry of internal Affairs.
In other words, all of them can again become the moderate opposition in Syria. Or oppressed chechen gays.

 

[Tigerace117]

It was the national assembly who declared war with Austria. The king nearly signed the declaration of war which was passed overwhelmingly in the assembly. The idea that the king instigated the war is a falsehood. Additionally, a king by nature is sovereign and so it is impossible for a king to commit treason. A king cannot betray because he is the only sovereign authority by which policy may be made.

Also, the civil Constitution of the clergy was against canon law. The bishops rejected it as did the Vatican. So no no sincere Catholic supported the French revolution.

When you destroy religious buildings, kill ministers, declare a religion as being a threat that needs to be wiped out, there is no term for that other than genocide. Most generously you can only call this pre-genocide. However, I know that you are an open communism supporter, and that you probably despise all religious people and so the only reason you do not call this a genocide is because you politically support murdering the faithful

After a long period of the king trying to betray France to multiple foreign powers, including Austria. He practically invited anyone who’d listen to invade “his country”. The king not being able to refuse accepting the declaration of war caused by his own actions doesn’t change the facts. And no, it is not only possible for a king to commit treason, but kings selling out their own countries is hardly a unique or rare phenomena.

In that case well over half of the French Catholic populace “wasn‘t real Catholics” since they didn’t have a problem with it whatsoever.

In that case, by your standards Catholic Spain must have committed genocide against its Muslim and Jewish population. After all, the Catholic Spanish government converted numerous Islamic horses of worship into churches and threatened to murder them for following their faith, forcing Muslims and Jews to practice their faith in secret. The simple fact of the matter is that repressing treasonous religious fanatics may be brutal but it is not genocide. Accusations of “supporting communism” from a Pinochet fanboy are utterly meaningless. Members of “the faithful“ who support allying with ISIS to oppose “blasphemy“ are no better than they are, and should be treated as such.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

After a long period of the king trying to betray France to multiple foreign powers, including Austria. He practically invited anyone who’d listen to invade “his country”. The king not being able to refuse accepting the declaration of war caused by his own actions doesn’t change the facts. And no, it is not only possible for a king to commit treason, but kings selling out their own countries is hardly a unique or rare phenomena.

again, the National Assembly declared the war for their own reasons This conclusively closes the issue.

In that case well over half of the French Catholic populace “wasn‘t real Catholics” since they didn’t have a problem with it whatsoever.

it was not over half the population that supported the French Revolution. It was a largely Paris based government that ruled out of terror. No plebiscite was ever held on the revolution.

In that case, by your standards Catholic Spain must have committed genocide against its Muslim and Jewish population. After all, the Catholic Spanish government converted numerous Islamic horses of worship into churches and threatened to murder them for following their faith,

removing foreigners is not genocide unless practiced by mass killing of non-combatants. Most Muslims either converted or left

forcing Muslims and Jews to practice their faith in secret.

the Arab countries largely practice this as well

The simple fact of the matter is that repressing treasonous religious fanatics may be brutal but it is not genocide.

they wiped out entire non-combatant villages

Accusations of “supporting communism” from a Pinochet fanboy are utterly meaningless.

non-sequitur [ of “the faithful“ who support allying with ISIS to oppose “blasphemy“ are no better than they are, and should be treated as such.
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you know Obama was practically allied with ISIS right?

 

[Tigerace117]

again, the National Assembly declared the war for their own reasons This conclusively closes the issue.

it was not over half the population that supported the French Revolution. It was a largely Paris based government that ruled out of terror. No plebiscite was ever held on the revolution.

removing foreigners is not genocide unless practiced by mass killing of non-combatants. Most Muslims either converted or leftthe Arab countries largely practice this as well
they wiped out entire non-combatant villages non-sequitur [ of “the faithful“ who support allying with ISIS to oppose “blasphemy“ are no better than they are, and should be treated as such.

you know Obama was practically allied with ISIS right?
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They declared war because Austria, at the incitement of the king, invaded France. The French Revolutionary Army was able to defeat the armies of the various invaders over and over and over again in large part because of the massive popular support they had, which meant that their troops had much better morale than the peasants press ganged into service by their “betters” who were opposing them. Trying to pretend that it was only a Parisian phenomenon is simply ignorant.

The Muslim civilians of southern Spain were routinely tortured and murdered, with the “lucky“ ones being able to escape the country. Mass killings occurred when they attempted to resist and defend their religion against their Catholic oppressors.

By your own standard, Catholic Spain therefore committed yet another genocide.

Lol yeah, that’s why he dropped all those bombs on them

 

[Lursa]

Of American Indians? It depends on the circumstances and what their demands were and what they were willing to entertain in negotiation. Clearly ideology matters. There is right and wrong after all.

The question is about violent uprising. So then you believe that they could be justified in using murder and violence to regain their lands?

How exactly are you qualified to judge if their previous or current beliefs are 'acceptable ideology?'

 

[Lursa]

It depends on what you mean by violence and what ideology we are talking about.

political violence in the context of tyrannicide is only justifiable when there is no other option. Political violence in the context of self defense is justified when the objective is protection of the collective body from harm by another body.

clearly ideology matters, violence by ideologies like secular leftism which inherently evil is never justified so I would not defend such a thing.

In cases like this clearly the Muslim guy committed an unjustified act, but that doesn’t mean the secular left was right to try to brainwash the children

Who are you or I or our govt to judge that the beliefs they held when we destroyed their hold over their lands...OR their current beliefs...are justifiable or not? What would make their 'ideology' invalid?

I can easily see a case for the Native Americans to see how we've shit all over America and turned much of it into a toilet and be justifiably angry and offended...to the level where we have defamed their 'deity' in obscene ways.

 

[Jean-s]

France paid tribute on Wednesday to a history teacher beheaded last week by a man angered at his decision to share controversial caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad with his class. President Emmanuel Macron spoke at an official memorial attended by Samuel Paty's family and some 400 guests at the Sorbonne university in Paris.
Paty's friends and family were joined by government officials in the illuminated courtyard of the Sorbonne, where the teacher's coffin was carried in by a contingent of uniformed guards. In a speech honouring the slain professor, Macron described him as "one of those teachers that we never forget". He denounced "the cowards" behind the crime and said that Paty was killed because he "embodied" the values of the French Republic.
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...to-beheaded-teacher-with-ceremony-at-sorbonne

Samuel Paty in now a fallen hero whose memory can be honored by raising our children to have open and tolerant minds in a world we will hand over to them. May they grow in mind and heart to embrace all that is good.

 

[swing_voter]

Ashiqul Alam was taken into custody Thursday by the Joint Terrorism Task Force, which includes both the NYPD and FBI.

The 22-year-old man from Queens allegedly bought illegal guns and wanted to use a suicide vest and grenades to attack Times Square to kill police officers and civilians.

Authorities say Alam bought two guns with their serial numbers removed from undercover agents.

Authorities: Ashiqul Alam Of Queens Wanted To Attack Times Square With Guns, Suicide Vests And Grenades

Sources tell CBS2 Ashiqul Alam anted to buy guns, ammunition and grenades to use in an attack on Times Square.

newyork.cbslocal.com

June 2019

He's the last American Muslim terrorist I can think of.

He looks middle class.



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[Jack Hays]

The Importance of Blasphemy
Published by Brian Stewart
Anyone who thought the age of plague might have banished the specter of religious fanaticism was disabused last week when a middle school teacher in a Paris suburb was...
October 21, 2020
Crime, Free Speech, Politics, Religion, Spotlight

 

[Jack Hays]

Environment Of Terror – 75% Would Not Publicly Post Mahomed Caricatures With Their Name, Address
By P Gosselin on 21. October 2020

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Last week the beheading of a French school teacher by an Islamic terrorist in broad daylight shocked the world. Barbaric attacks on free speech and the exchange of ideas are taking place in Europe. Similar acts have occurred in other western countries in recent years.
The grisly death of the French teacher sends a clear message: Western citizens cannot feel safe expressing their views, not even at home – on their very own soil. Our governments have failed.
At Twitter I started an unofficial small survey, below, to get an idea of the extent of fear people harbor when it comes to expressing controversial views. According to Google Analytics, the vast majority of the readers at this site reside in Europe and North America.
The results, though not representative, are somewhat shocking. 75% say they would not post the Mahomed caricatures together with their name and address because they fear retaliation. This, in their home countries. . . .

 

[Ringo Stalin]

"The French interior Minister was going to persuade Moscow to take the chechens back."
Why are they needed in Russia? France sheltered these "freedom fighters", so now eat it, respect their "cultural сustoms" to cut someone's head...

 

[Jean-s]

The horrific murder of history teacher Samuel Paty has reignited a longstanding debate on the application of France’s cherished secular principle of "laïcité", leading to virulent accusations that parts of the establishment have caved in to radical Islamists undermining the French Republic’s core values.
Among the long list of terrorist attacks to have struck France in recent years, Paty's beheading by an 18-year-old Islamist radical carries a particularly sinister resonance. In the words of President Emmanuel Macron, the teacher was targeted because he “embodied the Republic”, because he “taught pupils to become citizens” and “fought for freedom and reason”.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...-for-appeasers-who-disarmed-french-secularism

France is a truly secular country where religion has no part to play in society. Secularism is not a mere aspiration but part of what defines what it is to be French. The spirit of France is at stake and has to be defended with each generation. Catholicism was neutered by the Revolution of 1798 and the landmark 1905 legislation separating church and state. The same has to happen with modern Islamism.

 

[swing_voter]

Leave the Muslims alone.

Can't you tell they're sensitive about certain topics?

 

[Jack Hays]

The horrific murder of history teacher Samuel Paty has reignited a longstanding debate on the application of France’s cherished secular principle of "laïcité", leading to virulent accusations that parts of the establishment have caved in to radical Islamists undermining the French Republic’s core values.
Among the long list of terrorist attacks to have struck France in recent years, Paty's beheading by an 18-year-old Islamist radical carries a particularly sinister resonance. In the words of President Emmanuel Macron, the teacher was targeted because he “embodied the Republic”, because he “taught pupils to become citizens” and “fought for freedom and reason”.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...-for-appeasers-who-disarmed-french-secularism

France is a truly secular country where religion has no part to play in society. Secularism is not a mere aspiration but part of what defines what it is to be French. The spirit of France is at stake and has to be defended with each generation. Catholicism was neutered by the Revolution of 1798 and the landmark 1905 legislation separating church and state. The same has to happen with modern Islamism.

Revolution of 1789.

 

[Jean-s]

France recalls ambassador from Turkey after 'unacceptable' Erdoǧan comments
France on Saturday said it was recalling its envoy to Turkey for consultations after comments by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoǧan suggesting French counterpart Emmanuel Macron needed a mental health check-up that Paris condemned as unacceptable. France and Turkey are at loggerheads over a range of issues including maritime rights in the eastern Mediterranean, Libya, Syria and the escalating conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh. But Ankara has now been particularly incensed by a campaign championed by Macron to protect France's secular values against radical Islam, a debate given new impetus by the murder this month of a teacher who showed his class a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed.
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...om-turkey-after-unacceptable-erdogan-comments

Erdoǧan is a loudmouth bully who got plenty of practice against his own civilian population. His type are common and they understand only one language, namely, confrontation and a bloody nose. Vladimir |Putin is of the same mold and in this case the Russian acts afraid of the Muslim leader, allowing him to intervene in Nagorno-Karabakh on behalf of the Muslim Azeris. Putin has backed down from Erdoǧan in Libya, neither of whom have any business in North Africa. Shamelessly, the Germans, who are the most powerful member state in the European Union, have also retreated from confronting the Turkish bully with its claims to explore for energy in Greek waters, preventing the EU from standing up to him and to talk with him instead in order to appease the trouble-maker. We are counting of Macron to give a lesson to these weaklings and to hit Erdoǧan where he will feel it. It is up to Macron to uphold the honor of France and secularism in the face of Turkish Islamism.

 

[Jean-s]

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Monday called on Turks to boycott French goods as relations between the NATO allies deteriorated over Paris's tough stance against radical Islam, while senior EU officials excoriated Erdogan's remarks.
This comes after Erdoǧan's allegation on Saturday that French President Emmanuel Macron had a problem with Muslims and needed checks on his mental health – assertions that prompted France to recall its ambassador from Ankara. "I am calling to all my citizens from here to never help French brands or buy them," Erdogan said. European leaders must put an end to Macron's allegedly "anti-Islam" agenda, Erdogan said in a speech at the start of a week of activities in Turkey to commemorate the birthday of the Prophet Mohammad. ... EU leaders were keen to express solidarity with France. In a message posted on Twitter on Sunday, the EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell called Erdogan comments “unacceptable” and urged Turkey to “stop this dangerous spiral of confrontation”. European Council President Charles Michel blamed Turkey for resorting to “provocations, unilateral actions in the Mediterranean" and now “insults".
https://www.france24.com/en/france/...ench-goods-eu-calls-his-comments-unacceptable

Well now, at last some EU leaders are finding a voice to support Macron against Erdoǧan. Notice, however, that Josep Borrell is a Catalan and Charles Michel is Belgian. The Germans are silent.

 

[Luce]

I didn’t say we should do that here. I said liberal atheists in positions of state power should be purged and those who are not should be muzzled.

So, like ISIS? That's your utopia?

 

[mrjurrs]

I didn't say that. But French policy has led to this.

And American policy led to al queda.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Why was it that when they cut the heads of russian soldiers in Chechnya (and in the early years of YouTube you could see it there) and blew up houses with civilians, took hostages, they were Freedom fighters, and when they cut the heads of frogs, they are terrorists?