Tea Party Movement

[hazlnut]

:roll::roll:You should try actually going to a rally.

Also, the video linked to has little to do with the Tea Party.

I take that back, the video, at the end, did show a clear link between the White Pride folks and the Tea Party -- I would call them uninvited, but welcome as long as they don't make too much noise.

 

[Renae]

He didn't say one damned thing that was racist.

What the **** are you talking about??

I know, he's talking about evil white people, how can THAT be racist? :roll:

 

[hazlnut]

I know, he's talking about evil white people, how can THAT be racist? :roll:

Please, enlighten us... Put the so-called racist statements in bold. Show us where he referred to a particular race in an overgeneralized negative manner.

Originally Posted by Cochise
That's not really true, because the more authoritarian immigration policies that many of them advocate would involve more significant financial expenditures, and obviously "more government."

But the point is not that hard to understand. The white supremacists have the same underlying moral foundations as many social conservatives: Higher taxes are immoral because they punish the hard-working and more productive people, especially when they're used in welfare programs that subsidize the lazy and less productive people. It's just that since the inner-city black woman is the image of the "welfare queen" in the minds of so many, people have a tendency to subconsciously generalize and unintentionally associate her race with her welfare use. Her race becomes a convenient mechanism for quick generalizations. White supremacists have simply taken the extra step of explicitly associating her race with her moral failures.

There are overlaps between White Pride hate groups and the Tea Party. To what extent, I don't know. I would guess it's relatively small. And, in fairness to the Tea Party, they, the white pride people, are an uninvited minority drawn to the 'anti-government' aspect of the populist movement.

The point is the two are not mutually exclusive.

The Tea Party does appear to make some effort to police itself. IMO they don't do enough early on to turn the fringe element away. The fringe element now appears to be too entrenched throughout the Tea Party. And to the extent the more 'moderate' members (for lack of a better word) feed off the anger and fear of the fringe members, the movement overall could be headed in a very unhealthy and unAmerican direction.

 

[somepeoplesay]

Guilt by association is usually the lowest common denominator of criticism (Reverend Wright anyone?), you should always be wary when it is used against an organization or person. Are they racist or fascist? Some are, of course. Just because racists who are politically involved would be more apt to join their movement then the anti-war movement, doesn't make all tea partiers racists.

I actually went to a tea party last month to interview some people, and man let me tell you, they aren't racist but holy **** are they stupid. They had 2 speakers who were self-described "birthers", and every other speaker was using vague hyperbole ("Obama is destroying the constitution!", "Our republic is under threat!", or that old chestnut "He's a socialist!") not too mention most of the people I talked to were convinced Obama was a muslim.

 

[Minnie T. Mouse]

Guilt by association is usually the lowest common denominator of criticism (Reverend Wright anyone?), you should always be wary when it is used against an organization or person. Are they racist or fascist? Some are, of course. Just because racists who are politically involved would be more apt to join their movement then the anti-war movement, doesn't make all tea partiers racists.

I actually went to a tea party last month to interview some people, and man let me tell you, they aren't racist but holy **** are they stupid. They had 2 speakers who were self-described "birthers", and every other speaker was using vague hyperbole ("Obama is destroying the constitution!", "Our republic is under threat!", or that old chestnut "He's a socialist!") not too mention most of the people I talked to were convinced Obama was a muslim.

That sound pretty accurate to me, especially the statement about the CONSTITUTION !!!!
Boy ... are those Tea Baggers losing sleep over this one and half of them couldn't tell you what's in the
Constitution if their very lives depended on it...
This is dumb getting dumber and dumberer !!!!!!!

 

[Boo Radley]

Guilt by association is usually the lowest common denominator of criticism (Reverend Wright anyone?), you should always be wary when it is used against an organization or person. Are they racist or fascist? Some are, of course. Just because racists who are politically involved would be more apt to join their movement then the anti-war movement, doesn't make all tea partiers racists.

I actually went to a tea party last month to interview some people, and man let me tell you, they aren't racist but holy **** are they stupid. They had 2 speakers who were self-described "birthers", and every other speaker was using vague hyperbole ("Obama is destroying the constitution!", "Our republic is under threat!", or that old chestnut "He's a socialist!") not too mention most of the people I talked to were convinced Obama was a muslim.

The few I talk to here would fit that description. However, the muslim thing strikes me as a lind of racism. Was there any chance anyone would have even asked if Bush, I or II, Clinton, Reagan, or Carter were Muslim? Born in the US? How many actually know what they provided for their proof of birth?

But, I do believe that ignorance, not stupidity (though it sounds that way too often), is the real problem with too many (not all).

 

[Z3n]

ignorance and apathy....are lets say... the opiate of the masses

 

[FilmFestGuy]

Sure.

The Democrat Party are champions of a Government Program that gives preference, benefits, resources to those with the RIGHT skin color, and denies it to those that do not.

It's called Affirmative Action. You might have heard of it.


/win

Read this book: https://www.hudson.org/bookstore/itemdetail.cfm?item=1036

Come back with a report and then you can pretend to understand workplace equality.

And before you get your panties in a bunch, it's written by The Hudson Institute. If you don't know who they are or bother to look them up; then you're don't:

/win a GD thing.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Guilt by association is usually the lowest common denominator of criticism (Reverend Wright anyone?), you should always be wary when it is used against an organization or person. Are they racist or fascist? Some are, of course. Just because racists who are politically involved would be more apt to join their movement then the anti-war movement, doesn't make all tea partiers racists.

I actually went to a tea party last month to interview some people, and man let me tell you, they aren't racist but holy **** are they stupid. They had 2 speakers who were self-described "birthers", and every other speaker was using vague hyperbole ("Obama is destroying the constitution!", "Our republic is under threat!", or that old chestnut "He's a socialist!") not too mention most of the people I talked to were convinced Obama was a muslim.

Congrats man. :thumbs: :doh

 

[Erod]

Liberals are so funny. When they see they're getting their ass kicked, they resort to the same tired, overly abused tactics they've built their party around. Racist....stupid...rednecks...etc.

Meanwhile, they fail to see the sheer idiocy and hypocracy of the positions they take, which are largely built on just punishing the people that have been kicking their asses in every facet of their entire lives.

 

[somepeoplesay]

It's not guilt by association when every single person I met was recycling the same, tired, world net daily conspiracy BS. so yes, at that particular tea party, I would wager that the vast majority were grossly misinformed and trapped within the conservative information bubble (as are some people on this forum).

 

[Renae]

It's not guilt by association when every single person I met was recycling the same, tired, world net daily conspiracy BS. so yes, at that particular tea party, I would wager that the vast majority were grossly misinformed and trapped within the conservative information bubble (as are some people on this forum).

The closest you've been to a Tea Party is some link to a badly edited YouTube video from some crackpot leftist site. You wanna keep telling everyone here that you've been to a Tea Party Rally, and all the people were racist idiots.. well be my guest. Few here will believe you, however we will be amused at your stories.

 

[Hoplite]

The closest you've been to a Tea Party is some link to a badly edited YouTube video from some crackpot leftist site. You wanna keep telling everyone here that you've been to a Tea Party Rally, and all the people were racist idiots.. well be my guest. Few here will believe you, however we will be amused at your stories.

Can you explain to us why the vast majority of the tea party appears to be white?

 

[Renae]

Can you explain to us why the vast majority of the tea party appears to be white?

Cause their obviously racist bigots that hate Obama.

(Said that just cause that's all you people want to believe)

Video: Neil Cavuto Interviews Black Tea Party Leader
[video]http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/5CX75S0KK67B7KL3[/video]

On the January 5 edition of his MSNBC program “Hardball,” Chris Matthews claimed that everyone participating in tea party rallies such as the one held in Washington, D.C. on September 12, 2009 was white. In a discussion with Mark McKinnon of the Daily Beast and Susan Page of USA Today, Mr. Matthews said: “And they’re monochromatic, right?...Meaning they’re all white. All of them - every single one of them - is white.” Members of the Project 21, a black conservative group, disagree.

Bob Parks, a Project 21 member from Virginia, said: “Here’s a news flash for Chris Matthews. I was there. So was my son. Last time I checked, both of us are black — and we weren’t the only black people there. I know other black people who attended the September 12 rally in Washington, including some of the ones who spoke at the podium! I guess the MSNBC camera people missed them.” He continues, “To me, this means Chris Matthews thinks that blacks who don’t toe the liberal line are either invisible - and apparently irrelevant - or such sellouts that they’ve become white. Obviously, he doesn’t have the guts to have us on ‘Hardball’ so he can call us all-white ‘teabaggers’ to our faces.”

Booker Rising: Chris Matthews Accuses The Tea Party Movement Of Being All White; Bookeristas Disagree


Now I know this is a shock to some of you, but the DNC get's something around 80+% of black voters EVERY ELECTION. So that leave 20% of a minority to show up at these rallies. This show the utter dishonesty of your attempt to claim the Tea Parties are white only affairs. I guess such considerations as that though, destroy the narrative the Press wants you to think.

 

[deltabtry]

Can you explain to us why the vast majority of the tea party appears to be white?

They probably are productive tax paying citizens who have a basic understanding of the constitution and as far as I know this doesn't require to be one race or another.

 

[somepeoplesay]

The closest you've been to a Tea Party is some link to a badly edited YouTube video from some crackpot leftist site. You wanna keep telling everyone here that you've been to a Tea Party Rally, and all the people were racist idiots.. well be my guest. Few here will believe you, however we will be amused at your stories.

Haha, Ok? Well, since this is the internet, I guess I can't prove it. I've been to two tea party rallies though, Bowling Green State University (where I go to school) on april 17th of this year, and Columbus in March. Why do you think these events are so illusive and only dyed in the wool conservatives have access to them? I personally like having my views challenged.

 

[somepeoplesay]

Cause their obviously racist bigots that hate Obama.

(Said that just cause that's all you people want to believe)

Video: Neil Cavuto Interviews Black Tea Party Leader
[video]http://videos.mediaite.com/embed/player/5CX75S0KK67B7KL3[/video]

Booker Rising: Chris Matthews Accuses The Tea Party Movement Of Being All White; Bookeristas Disagree


Now I know this is a shock to some of you, but the DNC get's something around 80+% of black voters EVERY ELECTION. So that leave 20% of a minority to show up at these rallies. This show the utter dishonesty of your attempt to claim the Tea Parties are white only affairs. I guess such considerations as that though, destroy the narrative the Press wants you to think.

aww, the tea party has a black friend!

 

[Renae]

Haha, Ok? Well, since this is the internet, I guess I can't prove it. I've been to two tea party rallies though, Bowling Green State University (where I go to school) on april 17th of this year, and Columbus in March. Why do you think these events are so illusive and only dyed in the wool conservatives have access to them? I personally like having my views challenged.

You bring photos, video of YOU at the Tea Party, showing what you claim, or don't and look the fool. Down here in Texas, the Tea Parties aren't anything like what you describe. And yes, I attend the ones in SA and Austin.

 

[Renae]

aww, the tea party has a black friend!

How racist of you.

 

[somepeoplesay]

How racist of you.

Oh my god, lighten up man it's an old Stephen Colbert meme. I don't have to prove anything, even if I did have a photo (and I don't know what would have compelled me to take a pic of myself at one of these events) how could you tell if it was me. This is the internet man, hell, this could be me (if I we're clever enough)

 

[Hoplite]

Cause their obviously racist bigots that hate Obama.

(Said that just cause that's all you people want to believe)

Ok, you post a video and a couple of picks of one black dude or girl surrounded by a SEA of white people....not really doing yourself any favors here, cowboy.

I've never claimed there were NO blacks involved with the movement, I said it was a vast majority white Republican movement.

Now I know this is a shock to some of you, but the DNC get's something around 80+% of black voters EVERY ELECTION.

Source?

This show the utter dishonesty of your attempt to claim the Tea Parties are white only affairs. I guess such considerations as that though, destroy the narrative the Press wants you to think.

You put up a picture that had wall-to-wall white people while scrambling to prove that, no, this ISN'T a majority white Republican rage hemorrhage and you accuse me of being dishonest?

 

[Renae]

Ok, you post a video and a couple of picks of one black dude or girl surrounded by a SEA of white people....not really doing yourself any favors here, cowboy.

I've never claimed there were NO blacks involved with the movement, I said it was a vast majority white Republican movement.

I'm gonna ignore your racism here son.

Source?

Seriously?

You put up a picture that had wall-to-wall white people while scrambling to prove that, no, this ISN'T a majority white Republican rage hemorrhage and you accuse me of being dishonest?

It's not, but then you actually had to ask for a SOURCE on the % of blacks that vote Democrat, so your grasp of reality is proven to be very loose indeed.

 

[Hoplite]

I'm gonna ignore your racism here son.

Oh please, loosen up. Not every joke concerning race is racist. The "black friend" joke has never been about racism. Take your false outrage somewhere else.

Seriously?

Ok, that's not the same as saying "Obama only got elected because of blacks"

Also, out of curiosity, since we've established that the black community tends to vote Democrat and that the teabagger movement is made up of a majority Republican or at least politically right-leaning individuals.... wouldn't that mean the movement is defacto majority white?

 

[Renae]

Oh please, loosen up. Not every joke concerning race is racist. The "black friend" joke has never been about racism. Take your false outrage somewhere else.


Ok, that's not the same as saying "Obama only got elected because of blacks"

Also, out of curiosity, since we've established that the black community tends to vote Democrat and that the teabagger movement is made up of a majority Republican or at least politically right-leaning individuals.... wouldn't that mean the movement is defacto majority white?

It doesn't make it majority white due to racist ideology. Which is the implicit notion several of you are pushing which I am attempting to counter with reality.

 

[Hoplite]

It doesn't make it majority white due to racist ideology. Which is the implicit notion several of you are pushing which I am attempting to counter with reality.

Ok, first off, I have NEVER said that the teabaggers are a majority white group BECAUSE of racist ideology.

I HAVE said and I maintain that inherent discomfort with the idea of a black president is PARTIALLY driving many of the teabaggers who are generally older (meaning they grew up in a racially-charged time in our history) and white. I dont agree that it's pure racism that drives the teabaggers. I actually think it's ignorance and anger about losing the election more than anything else.