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Now you're missing the point. Recent history and the now have greater relevance than the old history because we are living NOW. We don't know the future. We can make guesses. You're making a broad extrapolation that because Christianity had violence in its past, and is peaceful now.

Again, your comparison has no meaning. Unless you mean that because Christianity had violence in its past, it can never take a position of superiority against a violent religion? That argument limits a religion or other entity to its lowest point and never gives it any credit for advancing past its nadir.

Why you continue to embarass yourself by giving me and others opportunities to point out your ignorance is beyond me

Christianity is peaceful now? I am not sure I would go that far and if it is? Then it is not really Christianity since it is not a religion that was built on peace. Maybe it should be re-named. lol
 

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The killing in the Old Testament was justice and judgement and also gave people the provision for which they may be saved and spared from judgement. It wasn't wrong nor was it evil.

That is a matter of viewpoint. 1000 years from now someone could come up with a holy book everyone believes in, which says the Holocaust was just... would that make it right?
 

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Mainstream Islam is off the freakin rails. Anyone who harbored thoughts of a 'moderate' element in the muslim world should be shown pictures of their insane reaction to the editorial cartoons of allah. This is a FACT

The religion has been effectively hijacked by the radical portion and preachers of hatred. That is now the mainstream. Its very similar to the threat posed 70 years ago by Nazism, and we will eventually have to deal with it in a similar manner or accept defeat by it.

Every religion is full of extreme people and that would include the X-tian Religion.
 

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I think we should all stop pitting one religion against another. IMHO all religion sucks, and ultimately in all their extremes they lead to violence. In some cases there are plenty of people out there who may not be violent because we live in a "mostly" civilized society, were they to have the option to "put the faggot to death" I'm sure they would, if they had no fear of the law. But that's besides the point. Extreme Islam is no Better then Extreme Christianity. There are elements within christianity that would love to see us in a theocracy that would be brutal, if not more brutal then countries like Saudi Arabia. But alas, let us all come together to condemn this heinous act against a child, and leave the "this religion is more violent then the other" crap out of it.

Peace!

Best posts in this thread and point taken. Well Said:)
 

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Sad thats all you can muster....

The difference would be, if a christian committed terrorist actions, other christians would stand up and say that those jackasses were crackpots who did not represent their religion.

They would be condemning the terrorist actions as well as the people who committed them. I don't see a lot of this comming from the worldwide muslim community.

Then you must not be living in the Real World.
 

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The killing in the Old Testament was justice and judgement and also gave people the provision for which they may be saved and spared from judgement. It wasn't wrong nor was it evil.

If it was not wrong nor evil why do so many modern Christians shy away from the OT and say you should ignore the OT and live by the NT? If it was just and right then why ignore it now??

Do not make me break out examples of just how wrong the OT was. That will not be pretty.
 
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That is a matter of viewpoint. 1000 years from now someone could come up with a holy book everyone believes in, which says the Holocaust was just... would that make it right?
How is it a matter of viewpoint when the Bible explains how those who were to be judged and killed can escape their fate? The Old Testament has many passages that reveal God's heart for repentance of the wicked so that they might not die and be judged.
If it was not wrong nor evil why do so many modern Christians shy away from the OT and say you should ignore the OT and live by the NT? If it was just and right then why ignore it now??

Do not make me break out examples of just how wrong the OT was. That will not be pretty.

Because many modern Christians are unwilling to defend truth and conform to the world.

You can break out examples, but I could easily refute them when put into context and post verses that show the nature of God's heart and His Mercy from the Old Testament.
 
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How is it a matter of viewpoint when the Bible explains how those who were to be judged and killed can escape their fate? The Old Testament has many passages that reveal God's heart for repentance of the wicked so that they might not die and be judged.

Well what about Joshuas conquest of Canaa? It was right or wrong, essentially whole-sale genocide of entire cities. Woman and children were destroyed too, I bet not even all the children were "wicked" or "evil" isn't all killing... killing? I mean if you're against abortion why was it right for Joshua to kill woman and children?
 

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In response to 9/11

Omar Bakri’s British followers, including Anjam Chaudhary, participated in a jihad conference in London on September 14, broadcast on Lebanon’s LBC TV, featuring a telephone visit by Bakri himself. (Courtesy of MEMRI TV.)
Yes... some people were burning American flags and cheering in the streets that 9/11 had happened. But not everyone, and besides there are even Americans who love the fact 9/11 happened.

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Wow. A group of less than 100 people. Thats who you want to compare it to?

Little Green Footballs - London Muslims Celebrate 9/11

Palestinians celebrating Obama's election. No wait, it was 9/11.

Moonbattery: American Taxpayers Lavishly Reward Palestinians for Terrorist Rocket Attacks

YouTube - Muslims Celebrating 9/11

YouTube - Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers on 911

How many more examples do you need that laughbly dwarf that little group you displayed?
 

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Are you sure you have even read the Christian bible??

Please name where in the New Testament Jesus directs his followers to rape little girls, discount any evidence except that from men, and then kill the rape victim?

Did Jesus not save Mary Magdelene (assumed by tradition since its unclear if it was her) from the the crowd that was going to stone her for being a being a prostitute,saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

He (who was without sin) did not then pick up a stone.

You equate all religions as equally barbaric, but this is like comparing a teddy bear to a grizzly bear.

One is loving. The other isn't.
 

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Then you must not be living in the Real World.

Taking the politically correct slant that Islam culture is just as good and that "some day", they'll grow out of their violent phase, is to gamble today on the hope of a tomorrow in the next century. Or the next. Or the one after that. We have to survive this one first.

The bottom line is that WE have to judge NOW because if we don't, we may not have a TOMORROW.
 

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Christianity is peaceful now? I am not sure I would go that far and if it is? Then it is not really Christianity since it is not a religion that was built on peace. Maybe it should be re-named. lol

Christianity itself is generally a belief based on the concept of grace and forgiveness. It was based in Judaism, but the Old Testament is more of a "primer" and historical text for the religion itself. If one truly practices Christianity, one is peaceful and loving. It doesn't imply that a Christian believes that nothing is a sin, and that anything goes, but it does imply that there is forgiveness.
 

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Well what about Joshuas conquest of Canaa? It was right or wrong, essentially whole-sale genocide of entire cities. Woman and children were destroyed too, I bet not even all the children were "wicked" or "evil" isn't all killing... killing? I mean if you're against abortion why was it right for Joshua to kill woman and children?

This was pre-Christianity, and is irrelevant to the actual Christian beliefs.
 

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If it was not wrong nor evil why do so many modern Christians shy away from the OT and say you should ignore the OT and live by the NT? If it was just and right then why ignore it now??

Because Christianity (the religion) is based on the teachings of Jesus, and not on the teachings of the OT.
 

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How is it a matter of viewpoint when the Bible explains how those who were to be judged and killed can escape their fate? The Old Testament has many passages that reveal God's heart for repentance of the wicked so that they might not die and be judged.


Because many modern Christians are unwilling to defend truth and conform to the world.

You can break out examples, but I could easily refute them when put into context and post verses that show the nature of God's heart and His Mercy from the Old Testament.

So do you consider yourself an old school Christian? Do you live by the OT? What a way to insult your fellow brothers and sisters. So very Christian Like.

Mercy? Your God is one mean and angry dude in the OT. He is an angry killer in the OT!!!!!!!
 

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Mercy? Your God is one mean and angry dude in the OT. He is an angry killer in the OT!!!!!!!

Perhaps this is one reason that some religions refer to God as "All" or "omnipotent". There was a time when God was not considered strictly good or strictly bad, but had a very powerful presence in all affairs human. Some people still do view God in this light. It's no inconceivable to me that if there is a God, he must strictly be good, but may in fact, encompass everything that exists, and that good and evil are merely human concepts. Just a thought.:)
 

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Well what about Joshuas conquest of Canaa? It was right or wrong, essentially whole-sale genocide of entire cities. Woman and children were destroyed too, I bet not even all the children were "wicked" or "evil" isn't all killing... killing? I mean if you're against abortion why was it right for Joshua to kill woman and children?

The issue is that God promised in His Faithfulness to give the land of Canaan to the Hebrew people (Abraham's descendants). The Canaanites knew this, but they chose to ignore God and think that they could destroy Israel by their own power and keep their land. God commanded Israel to take in anyone who chose life and repented of their sin. Canaan was a wicked place filled with bloodshed and idolatry. God commanded that those people be destroyed completely down to their women and children. This was done so that the Hebrews may inherit all of the land that God had set apart for them. If a family or even a child repented and chose life, then they were to be spared and live. In the Bible it talks about the prostitute Rahab who helped Israel and feared God. She was spared along with her family. God was passing judgement on entire towns and entire races, they had the opportunity to chose life, but instead chose death. If the women and children we were killed chose to repent when the chance was given to them, they could live. The town and people knew that the command was given for their complete destruction. The death's of all were on the hands of the wicked who would not chose to repent. We know that in the mind of God that He does not want to have to judge sin and destroy the sinful as is evident in this scripture.
Ezekiel 18:19-32
19 "Yet you ask, 'Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?' Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

21 "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. 22 None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

24 "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die.

25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. 27 But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28 Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die. 29 Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Are my ways unjust, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

30 "Therefore, O house of Israel, I will judge you, each one according to his ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, O house of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!
God openly says that He would rather see people repent and live, and that it even pains Him to have to put to death the wicked. This scripture is also coming from the same Old Testament that many want to parade as evil and merciless.
 

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Please name where in the New Testament Jesus directs his followers to rape little girls, discount any evidence except that from men, and then kill the rape victim?

Did Jesus not save Mary Magdelene (assumed by tradition since its unclear if it was her) from the the crowd that was going to stone her for being a being a prostitute,saying "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

He (who was without sin) did not then pick up a stone.

You equate all religions as equally barbaric, but this is like comparing a teddy bear to a grizzly bear.

One is loving. The other isn't.

I personally think that Jesus not only saved Mary Magdelene but had sex with her and probably had kids with her.

Religion is good in general but mankind has messed em all up and that includes ALL religions. I know some very peaceful Muslims and I know some really hate-filled X-tians. And Vice Versa.
 

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Those questions are easy. The difficult questions are, can we defeat this evil? How?

It's hard to say. Westerners have become fairly passive when it comes to addressing problems ,such as this one, head on. Christianity has pervaded Western culture to the extent that many of us have become afraid of confrontation and hypersensitive about comdemning anyone besides fellow Christians. (I'm not implying that all Westerners practice formal Christianity, but Christian thought has most definitely heavily influenced Western behaviors and attitudes. It's one of the reasons we have become passive imo,)
 

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It's hard to say. Westerners have become fairly passive when it comes to addressing problems ,such as this one, head on. Christianity has pervaded Western culture to the extent that many of us have become afraid of confrontation and hypersensitive about comdemning anyone besides fellow Christians. (I'm not implying that all Westerners practice formal Christianity, but Christian thought has most definitely heavily influenced Western behaviors and attitudes. It's one of the reasons we have become passive imo,)

That sounds about right.

At the risk of being condemned for judging my fellow man, the Taliban is pure evil and must be confronted as such. Hanging a little boy is just one example of the outrageous actions they have taken.
 

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Ric I can name a few cases of rape in the bible.


5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.



It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".



6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)



Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]



This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!



7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)



"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."


Once again God approves of forcible rape.



8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)



They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)


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