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Taliban clamp down on drugs, announce ban on poppy harvest

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban on Sunday announced a ban on harvesting poppies, even as farmers in some parts of the country began extracting the opium from the plant that is needed for making heroin.

The Taliban warned farmers that their crops will be burned and that they can be jailed if they proceed with the harvest. The harvest and planting seasons vary across Afghanistan. In the Taliban heartland of southern Kandahar the harvesting has begun but in the east of the country some farmers are just beginning to plant their crop.

In desperately poor Afghanistan the ban seems certain to further impoverish its poorest citizens at a time when the country is in an economic free fall.

The decree was announced by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid at a news conference in the capital of Kabul. The order also outlawed the manufacturing of narcotics and the transportation, trade, export and import of heroin, hashish and alcohol.

The ban is reminiscent of the previous Taliban rule in the late 1990s when the movement espousing a harsh interpretation of Islam outlawed poppy production. At that time, the ban was implemented countrywide within two years, and according to the U.N. largely helped eradicate poppy production.

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Well, there goes another CIA "cash crop". Fentanyl producers of the world are rejoicing.​
 

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban on Sunday announced a ban on harvesting poppies, even as farmers in some parts of the country began extracting the opium from the plant that is needed for making heroin.

The Taliban warned farmers that their crops will be burned and that they can be jailed if they proceed with the harvest. The harvest and planting seasons vary across Afghanistan. In the Taliban heartland of southern Kandahar the harvesting has begun but in the east of the country some farmers are just beginning to plant their crop.

In desperately poor Afghanistan the ban seems certain to further impoverish its poorest citizens at a time when the country is in an economic free fall.

The decree was announced by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid at a news conference in the capital of Kabul. The order also outlawed the manufacturing of narcotics and the transportation, trade, export and import of heroin, hashish and alcohol.

The ban is reminiscent of the previous Taliban rule in the late 1990s when the movement espousing a harsh interpretation of Islam outlawed poppy production. At that time, the ban was implemented countrywide within two years, and according to the U.N. largely helped eradicate poppy production.

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Well, there goes another CIA "cash crop". Fentanyl producers of the world are rejoicing.​

Rather ironic given the years the Taliban spent profiting from it.
 

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They are not the only one's who profited from it. Perhaps the taliban are hitting against america where it will hurt, in the pocket of big business. Poor americas big pharmaceutical companies , they are going to have to grow there own if they still want to get as many of americans as they can addicted to their products.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2
More people in the United States died from overdoses involving opioids in 2017 than from HIV- or AIDS-related illnesses at the peak of the AIDS epidemic. “Most people living have never seen anything this bad,” says Keith Humphreys, a psychiatrist at Stanford University in California and a former White House drug-policy adviser.

This crisis is often referred to as the opioid epidemic and, just like an infectious-disease epidemic, it has a distinct natural history. In the United States, the country most severely affected, it arose through a confluence of well-intentioned efforts to improve pain management by doctors and aggressive — even fraudulent — marketing by pharmaceutical manufacturers. Characteristics of the US health-care system, regulatory regime, culture and socio-economic trends all contributed to what is now a full-blown crisis. The epidemic has evolved over time, becoming more deadly — and other countries could be vulnerable to its spread.
 

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They are not the only one's who profited from it. Perhaps the taliban are hitting against america where it will hurt, in the pocket of big business. Poor americas big pharmaceutical companies , they are going to have to grow there own if they still want to get as many of americans as they can addicted to their products.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2
Heroin is NOT an "opioid" it is an "opiate". Fentanyl is NOT an "opiate" it is an "opioid".

There is one hell of a lot more money in "opioids" than there is in "opiates" (especially since you can get US government "intellectual property" protection for your "opioids" and you can't for "opiates").

PS - What is being sold as "Heroin" today isn't your granddad's Heroin (which was an "opiate") and what is being sold as "Cocaine" today isn't your Granddad's Cocaine (which was also an "opiate").
 

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Heroin is NOT an "opioid" it is an "opiate". Fentanyl is NOT an "opiate" it is an "opioid".

There is one hell of a lot more money in "opioids" than there is in "opiates" (especially since you can get US government "intellectual property" protection for your "opioids" and you can't for "opiates").

PS - What is being sold as "Heroin" today isn't your granddad's Heroin (which was an "opiate") and what is being sold as "Cocaine" today isn't your Granddad's Cocaine (which was also an "opiate").


https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/opi...s are a class of,street drugs, such as heroin.
Opioids are a class of drugs naturally found in the opium poppy plant and that work in the brain to produce a variety of effects, including the relief of pain with many of these drugs.

Opioids can be prescription medications often referred to as painkillers, or they can be so-called street drugs, such as heroin.

Opiods and opiates are the same thing.

But my comment was tongue in cheek and I actually expected someone to point out that america gets its heroin from mexico or columbia, not afghanistan. It's the eurpoeans illicit drug market that will suffer. Guess they will just have to switch to afghan hashish.

Even the synthetics use some opium based derivative as a base.
 

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban on Sunday announced a ban on harvesting poppies, even as farmers in some parts of the country began extracting the opium from the plant that is needed for making heroin.

The Taliban warned farmers that their crops will be burned and that they can be jailed if they proceed with the harvest. The harvest and planting seasons vary across Afghanistan. In the Taliban heartland of southern Kandahar the harvesting has begun but in the east of the country some farmers are just beginning to plant their crop.

In desperately poor Afghanistan the ban seems certain to further impoverish its poorest citizens at a time when the country is in an economic free fall.

The decree was announced by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid at a news conference in the capital of Kabul. The order also outlawed the manufacturing of narcotics and the transportation, trade, export and import of heroin, hashish and alcohol.

The ban is reminiscent of the previous Taliban rule in the late 1990s when the movement espousing a harsh interpretation of Islam outlawed poppy production. At that time, the ban was implemented countrywide within two years, and according to the U.N. largely helped eradicate poppy production.

COMMENT:-
Well, there goes another CIA "cash crop". Fentanyl producers of the world are rejoicing.​
Not surprising. Poppy harvest was down the last time the Taliban were in charge also. Not included is the impact on the farmers that grow poppies. In general, they are not criminals, they are hardscrabble farmers growing a cash crop. This will add to the humanitarian disaster that is occurring in Afghanistan.
 

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They are not the only one's who profited from it. Perhaps the taliban are hitting against america where it will hurt, in the pocket of big business. Poor americas big pharmaceutical companies , they are going to have to grow there own if they still want to get as many of americans as they can addicted to their products.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2

Opioids are not made with poppy derivatives, including opium.
 

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Heroin is NOT an "opioid" it is an "opiate". Fentanyl is NOT an "opiate" it is an "opioid".

There is one hell of a lot more money in "opioids" than there is in "opiates" (especially since you can get US government "intellectual property" protection for your "opioids" and you can't for "opiates").

PS - What is being sold as "Heroin" today isn't your granddad's Heroin (which was an "opiate") and what is being sold as "Cocaine" today isn't your Granddad's Cocaine (which was also an "opiate").
None of this is true.
 

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban on Sunday announced a ban on harvesting poppies, even as farmers in some parts of the country began extracting the opium from the plant that is needed for making heroin.

The Taliban warned farmers that their crops will be burned and that they can be jailed if they proceed with the harvest. The harvest and planting seasons vary across Afghanistan. In the Taliban heartland of southern Kandahar the harvesting has begun but in the east of the country some farmers are just beginning to plant their crop.

In desperately poor Afghanistan the ban seems certain to further impoverish its poorest citizens at a time when the country is in an economic free fall.

The decree was announced by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid at a news conference in the capital of Kabul. The order also outlawed the manufacturing of narcotics and the transportation, trade, export and import of heroin, hashish and alcohol.

The ban is reminiscent of the previous Taliban rule in the late 1990s when the movement espousing a harsh interpretation of Islam outlawed poppy production. At that time, the ban was implemented countrywide within two years, and according to the U.N. largely helped eradicate poppy production.

COMMENT:-
Well, there goes another CIA "cash crop". Fentanyl producers of the world are rejoicing.​
I'm sure Biden will clamp down on our border (even tighter than he already has!) to keep our citizens safe from the fentanyl coming across and killing out people. Well, unless Hunter has any pending deals with the drug cartels, that is.
 

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KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban on Sunday announced a ban on harvesting poppies, even as farmers in some parts of the country began extracting the opium from the plant that is needed for making heroin.

The Taliban warned farmers that their crops will be burned and that they can be jailed if they proceed with the harvest. The harvest and planting seasons vary across Afghanistan. In the Taliban heartland of southern Kandahar the harvesting has begun but in the east of the country some farmers are just beginning to plant their crop.

In desperately poor Afghanistan the ban seems certain to further impoverish its poorest citizens at a time when the country is in an economic free fall.

The decree was announced by Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid at a news conference in the capital of Kabul. The order also outlawed the manufacturing of narcotics and the transportation, trade, export and import of heroin, hashish and alcohol.

The ban is reminiscent of the previous Taliban rule in the late 1990s when the movement espousing a harsh interpretation of Islam outlawed poppy production. At that time, the ban was implemented countrywide within two years, and according to the U.N. largely helped eradicate poppy production.

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Well, there goes another CIA "cash crop". Fentanyl producers of the world are rejoicing.​
We have legal opium/"opioids"/heroin in the USA.
It's all related and variations on the same stuff, and plenty of the legal stuff is stronger than the illegal.
I personally think the people who had their drug companies push it to people to get them addicted need to be in jail, but that probably won't happen.
 

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Opiates​


Opiates are chemical compounds that are extracted or refined from natural plant matter (poppy sap and fibers). Examples of opiates:


  • Opium
  • Morphine
  • Codeine
  • Heroin

Opioids​


Opioids are chemical compounds that generally are not derived from natural plant matter. Most opioids are "made in the lab" or "synthesized."
[SOURCE]
But my comment was tongue in cheek and I actually expected someone to point out that america gets its heroin from mexico or columbia, not afghanistan. It's the eurpoeans illicit drug market that will suffer. Guess they will just have to switch to afghan hashish.
The profit margin on Marijuana isn't anywhere near that for Heroin.
Even the synthetics use some opium based derivative as a base.
Though a few opioid molecules — hydrocodone (e.g., Vicodin), hydromorphone (e.g., Dilaudid), oxycodone (e.g., Oxycontin, Percocet) — may be partially synthesized from chemical components of opium, other popularly-used opioid molecules are designed and manufactured in laboratories. (The phrase "synthetic opioid" is considered redundant; nearly all opioids are synthesized.) [SOURCE]

However, it is correct that both Opiates and Opioids are narcotics.
 

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Not surprising. Poppy harvest was down the last time the Taliban were in charge also.
The last time that the Taliban was in charge of Afghanistan, the poppy harvest dropped to approximately zero.
Not included is the impact on the farmers that grow poppies. In general, they are not criminals, they are hardscrabble farmers growing a cash crop. This will add to the humanitarian disaster that is occurring in Afghanistan.
So, and since much of the land that is "in poppies" isn't good for much else, is your suggestion that poppy cultivation should be encouraged?
 

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I'm sure Biden will clamp down on our border (even tighter than he already has!) to keep our citizens safe from the fentanyl coming across and killing out people. Well, unless Hunter has any pending deals with the drug cartels, that is.
And your evidence that Hunter Biden is involved in the illegal drug trade is - what?

Oh, I know, it's all documented in the evidence found at Comet Ping Pong.
 

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Actually your statement is completely incorrect.

But, then again, I don't watch "Reefer Madness" daily.
Well, then I've taught hundreds of students wrong in my basic pharmacology seminars.

I bow to your expertise in knowing that cocaine is an opiate.
 

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Well, then I've taught hundreds of students wrong in my basic pharmacology seminars.

I bow to your expertise in knowing that cocaine is an opiate.
Yes it is. It is NOT, however, an Opioid.
 

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The last time that the Taliban was in charge of Afghanistan, the poppy harvest dropped to approximately zero.

So, and since much of the land that is "in poppies" isn't good for much else, is your suggestion that poppy cultivation should be encouraged?
My suggestion is that banning poppy production will increase the famine in Afghanistan. Supply is not the issue in drug problems, demand is. Eliminating supply will not impact demand. Heroin is a price inelastic good. If it was free would you use it? No.
 

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Threegoofs is correct about cocaine, it is not an opiate. It is not an opioid, either.

I'm not sure about the details of "everything" that he says is false in TU Curmudgeon's post.
 

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The Taliban announce this from time to time but quietly do nothing. It's too valuable to the economy.
They have no intention of stopping production, just production they do not control…
 

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It saddens me that the US has such a drug problem. If the users would quit buying and using, the cartels and drug dealers go out of business in the US.

The US has a user problem when it comes to drugs.
 
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