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Taking Responsibility for System Racism - Jon Stewart Conversation

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I timestamped an important part of an important conversation. Andrew Sullivan gets beaten like a DRUM on this issue. He represents the affluent white male who doesn't want to deal with racism as a systemic issue, because he directly benefits from it.

"When the New Deal was passed, Black people were explicitly not allowed to have loans. When the Homestead Act allowed white people to get an enormous wealth of land, and be able to farm it, Black people did not have access to that. When Slaves were freed, when Social Security came... the G.I. Bill. You're a bright guy. When you say this doesn't exist, I'm like, what the **** are you talking about?' - Jon Stewart

'First off, the false analogy is this: equating 250 years of slavery, and then 100 years of Jim Crow with the immigrant experiences of WHITE Europeans from 1870 to 1924? I grew up in an Italian-Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, working class. But you know how these folks made it? They got jobs in government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. These were all OFF-LIMITS if you were Brown or Black, forget it.' - Chip Gallagher

'Here's the real deal about everything, is that whites came to believe that everything good -- the jobs, the land, the suburbs -- it was theirs. And when blacks tried to encroach, that's when you have the push back. That's when you have riots about bussing. That's when you have terrorism.' - Chip Gallagher

'Andrew, you're not living on the same ****ing planet we are.' - Jon Stewart

'This is why we don't talk to white men. If white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years.' - Lisa Bond

'All of us white people do this. I don't care if we say we're Abolitionists. I don't care if we say we're Progressive. I don't care if e are literally members of the KKK. Every single white person upholds these systems and structures of white supremacy, and we have got to talk about it.' - Lisa Bond

 

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I timestamped an important part of an important conversation.

I don't see any timestamps, where did you hide them?

"When the New Deal was passed, Black people were explicitly not allowed to have loans. When the Homestead Act allowed white people to get an enormous wealth of land, and be able to farm it, Black people did not have access to that. When Slaves were freed, when Social Security came... the G.I. Bill. You're a bright guy. When you say this doesn't exist, I'm like, what the **** are you talking about?' - Jon Stewart

The racism here was caused by progressive hero FDR.

'First off, the false analogy is this: equating 250 years of slavery, and then 100 years of Jim Crow with the immigrant experiences of WHITE Europeans from 1870 to 1924? I grew up in an Italian-Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, working class. But you know how these folks made it? They got jobs in government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. These were all OFF-LIMITS if you were Brown or Black, forget it.' - Chip Gallagher

This is false, and he's just making an argument for more make-work jobs which do nothing by make the country poorer as a whole.

'Here's the real deal about everything, is that whites came to believe that everything good -- the jobs, the land, the suburbs -- it was theirs. And when blacks tried to encroach, that's when you have the push back. That's when you have riots about bussing. That's when you have terrorism.' - Chip Gallagher

In my very progressive state of CT, the public schools are extremely racially segregated. Go try to desegregate them via busing, and the white progressives here will run you out of town on a rail.
 

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I timestamped an important part of an important conversation. Andrew Sullivan gets beaten like a DRUM on this issue. He represents the affluent white male who doesn't want to deal with racism as a systemic issue, because he directly benefits from it.

"When the New Deal was passed, Black people were explicitly not allowed to have loans. When the Homestead Act allowed white people to get an enormous wealth of land, and be able to farm it, Black people did not have access to that. When Slaves were freed, when Social Security came... the G.I. Bill. You're a bright guy. When you say this doesn't exist, I'm like, what the **** are you talking about?' - Jon Stewart

'First off, the false analogy is this: equating 250 years of slavery, and then 100 years of Jim Crow with the immigrant experiences of WHITE Europeans from 1870 to 1924? I grew up in an Italian-Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, working class. But you know how these folks made it? They got jobs in government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. These were all OFF-LIMITS if you were Brown or Black, forget it.' - Chip Gallagher

'Here's the real deal about everything, is that whites came to believe that everything good -- the jobs, the land, the suburbs -- it was theirs. And when blacks tried to encroach, that's when you have the push back. That's when you have riots about bussing. That's when you have terrorism.' - Chip Gallagher

'Andrew, you're not living on the same ****ing planet we are.' - Jon Stewart

'This is why we don't talk to white men. If white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years.' - Lisa Bond

'All of us white people do this. I don't care if we say we're Abolitionists. I don't care if we say we're Progressive. I don't care if e are literally members of the KKK. Every single white person upholds these systems and structures of white supremacy, and we have got to talk about it.' - Lisa Bond



Stewart is an entertainer. He certainly wont be moving down to the hood anytime soon....LMAO.

Sounds like he's really gone off the deep end with the anti-racism(ie: racism against Whites) though. That will always have an audience with some folk (folk like you Dans), but nobody that isnt "woke" will be tuning in for any length of IMO. Nothing turns intelligent people off more than race whining at this point, again IMO.
 

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In my very progressive state of CT, the public schools are extremely racially segregated. Go try to desegregate them via busing, and the white progressives here will run you out of town on a rail.

People that have busted their asses to provide for their children and build them decent schools certainly dont want to ship their children across town where the average "family" doesnt have a father and/or a taxpayer. Schools are built from the taxes collected in the community. Of course there are some state and federal funds as well, but good schools exist because concerned parents make it happen. A decent school isnt something that can be "given" to a community. Of course people dont want their kids bussed into a slum. No sane person would want that.
 

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I timestamped an important part of an important conversation. Andrew Sullivan gets beaten like a DRUM on this issue. He represents the affluent white male who doesn't want to deal with racism as a systemic issue, because he directly benefits from it.

"When the New Deal was passed, Black people were explicitly not allowed to have loans. When the Homestead Act allowed white people to get an enormous wealth of land, and be able to farm it, Black people did not have access to that. When Slaves were freed, when Social Security came... the G.I. Bill. You're a bright guy. When you say this doesn't exist, I'm like, what the **** are you talking about?' - Jon Stewart

'First off, the false analogy is this: equating 250 years of slavery, and then 100 years of Jim Crow with the immigrant experiences of WHITE Europeans from 1870 to 1924? I grew up in an Italian-Jewish neighborhood in Philadelphia, working class. But you know how these folks made it? They got jobs in government, civil jobs, cops, union jobs. These were all OFF-LIMITS if you were Brown or Black, forget it.' - Chip Gallagher

'Here's the real deal about everything, is that whites came to believe that everything good -- the jobs, the land, the suburbs -- it was theirs. And when blacks tried to encroach, that's when you have the push back. That's when you have riots about bussing. That's when you have terrorism.' - Chip Gallagher

'Andrew, you're not living on the same ****ing planet we are.' - Jon Stewart

'This is why we don't talk to white men. If white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years.' - Lisa Bond

'All of us white people do this. I don't care if we say we're Abolitionists. I don't care if we say we're Progressive. I don't care if e are literally members of the KKK. Every single white person upholds these systems and structures of white supremacy, and we have got to talk about it.' - Lisa Bond


I agree with Stewart.
 

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I don't see any timestamps, where did you hide them?

Video is time-stamped at a critical point.

The racism here was caused by progressive hero FDR.

Absolutely. Are you afraid of delving into the darker sides of your 'heroes'? FDR was definitely a mixed bag. Very good for white people, not so great for immigrants and black people.

This is false, and he's just making an argument for more make-work jobs which do nothing by make the country poorer as a whole.

You didn't point to where its false.

In my very progressive state of CT, the public schools are extremely racially segregated. Go try to desegregate them via busing, and the white progressives here will run you out of town on a rail.

As the quote said, every white person is complicit in holding up this system, liberal and progressive alike. Progressives are among the only ones actually fighting for change and acknowledging these issues, even if it means throwing themselves under the bus.

Where is your courage?
 

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Stewart is an entertainer. He certainly wont be moving down to the hood anytime soon....LMAO.

Sounds like he's really gone off the deep end with the anti-racism(ie: racism against Whites) though.

So the opposite of racism is racism against whites? LOL what a self-own.
 

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So the opposite of racism is racism against whites?

No, the opposite of racism is to stop blathering about skin color already. Its lame. Blacks in the US are able to do anything and everything that Whites are able to do. But that wont happen when you're crying about your skin color and embracing a victim mentality. Speaking English and getting educated usually helps as well, and so does not having 5 kids with no father into poverty by the age of 23. It takes a lot of effort to succeed, a lot of personal sacrifice, a lot of discipline.
Its not for everyone Dans.
 

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We should not be here, but at this point political establishment has made such a mess of racism in this nation today that it is unlikely anything will improve anytime soon.
 

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No, the opposite of racism is to stop blathering about skin color already. Its lame. Blacks in the US are able to do anything and everything that Whites are able to do. But that wont happen when you're crying about your skin color and embracing a victim mentality. Speaking English and getting educated usually helps as well, and so does not having 5 kids with no father into poverty by the age of 23. It takes a lot of effort to succeed, a lot of personal sacrifice, a lot of discipline.
Its not for everyone Dans.
Really?

That is not what statistics say

"Today the median annual wage for Black workers is approximately 30 percent, or $10,000, lower than that of white workers—a figure with enormous implications for household economic security, consumption, and the ability to build wealth. Black workers make up 12.9 percent of the US labor force today but earn only 9.6 percent of total US wages."
 

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Really?

That is not what statistics say

"Today the median annual wage for Black workers is approximately 30 percent, or $10,000, lower than that of white workers—a figure with enormous implications for household economic security, consumption, and the ability to build wealth. Black workers make up 12.9 percent of the US labor force today but earn only 9.6 percent of total US wages."

Truth. White people live in a country where the systems are designed to advantage them, with hundreds of years head start in wealth, and where the conservative model of capitalism is designed to advantage whites over blacks. This was the model that Lee Atwater infamous spoke about.



It's not a matter of blacks needing to fix their culture and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Whatever cultural issues exist (e.g. single mothers raising children) is a product of the system in which poor black people live.
 

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As the quote said, every white person is complicit in holding up this system, liberal and progressive alike. Progressives are among the only ones actually fighting for change and acknowledging these issues, even if it means throwing themselves under the bus.

That is obviously false. Again, my state is completely controlled by liberal democrats and progressives. They could integrate the schools with the stroke of a pen if they wanted to, but they definitely do not want to.
 

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That is obviously false. Again, my state is completely controlled by liberal democrats and progressives. They could integrate the schools with the stroke of a pen if they wanted to, but they definitely do not want to.

The notion that progressives have any real power in the Democratic party is hilarious ill-informed. Isn't the governor of your state a neo-liberal venture capitalist?
 

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Whatever cultural issues exist (e.g. single mothers raising children) is a product of the system in which poor black people live.

Actually thats a "problem" of their own irresponsible behavior, there is literally no human alive today in the US that doesnt know how babies are made and that there is birth control available to prevent pregnancy.

You are making the "argument" that you do not believe that black people are capable of making intelligent and responsible decisions regarding reproducing and having sex, you see it as they cant possibly do that on their own, they'll need White people to help them with it.
Preposterous IMO.

Some honesty is what is needed, not more lame excuses and finger pointing at others. IMO.
 

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The notion that progressives have any real power in the Democratic party is hilarious ill-informed.

I would agree, but since the word "Progressive" (which I used to consider myself one) has been hijacked by anarchist punks that love tearing stuff down but cant build anything better in its place, I wouldn't want todays "Progressive" to have any real power in the DNC. And I think most people see it the same way I do, obviously they do since Joe Biden is President.
 

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The notion that progressives have any real power in the Democratic party is hilarious ill-informed.

FFS, gimme a break. So white liberal Democrats are all racists? Even with zero political power, white progressives could simply move into black neighborhoods if they truly believed in racial integration, but for some reason we don't see that happening.
 

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Actually thats a "problem" of their own irresponsible behavior, there is literally no human alive today in the US that doesnt know how babies are made and that there is birth control available to prevent pregnancy.

To put things in context, America today incarcerates black people on a scale exceeding Apartheid South Africa. That's a raw percentage, not because of population differences.
 

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FFS, gimme a break. So white liberal Democrats are all racists?

Give me an example of a white liberal Democrat. Bill Clinton?

Even with zero political power, white progressives could simply move into black neighborhoods if they truly believed in racial integration, but for some reason we don't see that happening.

We could also voluntarily give more taxes rather than raise taxes on billionaires. You get an F for problem-solving skills.
 

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To put things in context, America today incarcerates black people on a scale exceeding Apartheid South Africa. That's a raw percentage, not because of population differences.

Well ya gotta obey the law and you'll avoid stuff like that Dans. Thats the whole idea, stop being a criminal. Its almost like being a criminal is supposed to be inconvenient or something isnt it?

LOL, and I notice you're on another completely different topic now. Is there any glaring problem in the black community that White people are not responsible for in your opinion?
 

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To put things in context, America today incarcerates black people on a scale exceeding Apartheid South Africa. That's a raw percentage, not because of population differences.
Why? Just because isn't an answer. And simply that they are isn't a reason either.
 
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