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I see dozens of posts, on all sides, that have a premise that's simply not true. Some of these misunderstandings are totally partisan filtering of the facts, but sometimes it's from incomplete media reports. Occasionally the facts that aren't well known are important in understanding what really happened. So , take the quiz and post to tell us how well you did,

1. Who requested / called for National Guard members to enter D.C.?
  • Steven Sund, Chief of DC police
  • Mayor Bowser
  • The House Sargent at Arms , Paul Irving
  • All of the above
All were involved in the requests for support. We have no evidence that Pence made a call for help, even though that was the headline in the weeks following the riot. Several witnesses to the Select Committee have told the press that they are certain Trump never called for the NG. This article has the clearest explanation of what actually happened ( although it gets complicated, make a chart of the people and it might help follow who is the boss of who , and who got the word from Major General William Walker ) :

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/


2. Which happened first?
  • Protesters broke through the outer security perimeter of the Capitol
  • The Electoral College convenes in a joint session.
  • Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse
These are in order. A small crowd had gathered at the Capitol before Trump started his speech. They broke through the west outer perimeter barricade , at about 1:00 p. m . , the EC convened about 5 minutes after that, the speech at the ellipse finished at about 1:10


3. Which is a more serious crime, which has a greater maximum sentence if convicted?

  • Insurrection
  • Sedition
  • Conspiracy
Sedition is the most serious, the sentence may be up to 20 years, Insurrection has a maximum of 10 years.


4. Who was included in the Capitol Security chain of command on and before January 6th 2020?
  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Mitch McConnell
  • Sergeant at Arms of the House
  • Sergeant at Arms of the Senate
  • All of the above
All of the above


5. True or false:

The Republican plan for J6 was perfectly legal

FALSE

"Once a House member and Senator submit an objection, the two chambers of Congress separate to debate for two hours and to vote on whether to continue counting the votes in light of the objection. Both chambers must vote by a simple majority to concur with the objection for it to stand, otherwise the objection fails.

If both chambers of Congress affirm the objection and the objection results in no one candidate receiving the necessary 270-vote Electoral College majority, the 12th Amendment dictates a congressional process for selecting a president and vice president. "

This means that there was never any hope of legally invoking the 12th A on J6. If both chambers of congress had concurred with the objection, the 12th A would have been invoked and trump would be president. It was obvious, before they started, that the House would not agree to the objection. That means that it was hopeless to legally invoke the 12th amendment on J6.
Sergeant at Arms of the Senate



6. Did Trump know that the protersters were going to be able to get inside the Capitol buildig before Janary 5th?

I'm not aware of any real evidence that anyone at the White House thought that it would be possible for protesters to get into the building.
 
I see dozens of posts, on all sides, that have a premise that's simply not true. Some of these misunderstandings are totally partisan filtering of the facts, but sometimes it's from incomplete media reports. Occasionally the facts that aren't well known are important in understanding what really happened. So , take the quiz and post to tell us how well you did,

1. Who requested / called for National Guard members to enter D.C.?
  • Steven Sund, Chief of DC police
  • Mayor Bowser
  • The House Sargent at Arms , Paul Irving
  • All of the above
All were involved in the requests for support. We have no evidence that Pence made a call for help, even though that was the headline in the weeks following the riot. Several witnesses to the Select Committee have told the press that they are certain Trump never called for the NG. This article has the clearest explanation of what actually happened ( although it gets complicated, make a chart of the people and it might help follow who is the boss of who , and who got the word from Major General William Walker ) :

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/


2. Which happened first?
  • Protesters broke through the outer security perimeter of the Capitol
  • The Electoral College convenes in a joint session.
  • Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse
These are in order. A small crowd had gathered at the Capitol before Trump started his speech. They broke through the west outer perimeter barricade , at about 1:00 p. m . , the EC convened about 5 minutes after that, the speech at the ellipse finished at about 1:10


3. Which is a more serious crime, which has a greater maximum sentence if convicted?

  • Insurrection
  • Sedition
  • Conspiracy
Sedition is the most serious, the sentence may be up to 20 years, Insurrection has a maximum of 10 years.


4. Who was included in the Capitol Security chain of command on and before January 6th 2020?
  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Mitch McConnell
  • Sergeant at Arms of the House
  • Sergeant at Arms of the Senate
  • All of the above
All of the above


5. True or false:

The Republican plan for J6 was perfectly legal

FALSE

"Once a House member and Senator submit an objection, the two chambers of Congress separate to debate for two hours and to vote on whether to continue counting the votes in light of the objection. Both chambers must vote by a simple majority to concur with the objection for it to stand, otherwise the objection fails.

If both chambers of Congress affirm the objection and the objection results in no one candidate receiving the necessary 270-vote Electoral College majority, the 12th Amendment dictates a congressional process for selecting a president and vice president. "

This means that there was never any hope of legally invoking the 12th A on J6. If both chambers of congress had concurred with the objection, the 12th A would have been invoked and trump would be president. It was obvious, before they started, that the House would not agree to the objection. That means that it was hopeless to legally invoke the 12th amendment on J6.
Sergeant at Arms of the Senate



6. Did Trump know that the protersters were going to be able to get inside the Capitol buildig before Janary 5th?

I'm not aware of any real evidence that anyone at the White House thought that it would be possible for protesters to get into the building.

Good stuff!
 
I see dozens of posts, on all sides, that have a premise that's simply not true. Some of these misunderstandings are totally partisan filtering of the facts, but sometimes it's from incomplete media reports. Occasionally the facts that aren't well known are important in understanding what really happened. So , take the quiz and post to tell us how well you did,

1. Who requested / called for National Guard members to enter D.C.?
  • Steven Sund, Chief of DC police
  • Mayor Bowser
  • The House Sargent at Arms , Paul Irving
  • All of the above
All were involved in the requests for support. We have no evidence that Pence made a call for help, even though that was the headline in the weeks following the riot. Several witnesses to the Select Committee have told the press that they are certain Trump never called for the NG. This article has the clearest explanation of what actually happened ( although it gets complicated, make a chart of the people and it might help follow who is the boss of who , and who got the word from Major General William Walker ) :

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/


2. Which happened first?
  • Protesters broke through the outer security perimeter of the Capitol
  • The Electoral College convenes in a joint session.
  • Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse
These are in order. A small crowd had gathered at the Capitol before Trump started his speech. They broke through the west outer perimeter barricade , at about 1:00 p. m . , the EC convened about 5 minutes after that, the speech at the ellipse finished at about 1:10


3. Which is a more serious crime, which has a greater maximum sentence if convicted?

  • Insurrection
  • Sedition
  • Conspiracy
Sedition is the most serious, the sentence may be up to 20 years, Insurrection has a maximum of 10 years.


4. Who was included in the Capitol Security chain of command on and before January 6th 2020?
  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Mitch McConnell
  • Sergeant at Arms of the House
  • Sergeant at Arms of the Senate
  • All of the above
All of the above


5. True or false:

The Republican plan for J6 was perfectly legal

FALSE

"Once a House member and Senator submit an objection, the two chambers of Congress separate to debate for two hours and to vote on whether to continue counting the votes in light of the objection. Both chambers must vote by a simple majority to concur with the objection for it to stand, otherwise the objection fails.

If both chambers of Congress affirm the objection and the objection results in no one candidate receiving the necessary 270-vote Electoral College majority, the 12th Amendment dictates a congressional process for selecting a president and vice president. "

This means that there was never any hope of legally invoking the 12th A on J6. If both chambers of congress had concurred with the objection, the 12th A would have been invoked and trump would be president. It was obvious, before they started, that the House would not agree to the objection. That means that it was hopeless to legally invoke the 12th amendment on J6.
Sergeant at Arms of the Senate



6. Did Trump know that the protersters were going to be able to get inside the Capitol buildig before Janary 5th?

I'm not aware of any real evidence that anyone at the White House thought that it would be possible for protesters to get into the building.
Why did the chicken cross the road?

1/6 was a frat keg party that got out of hand. For the most part it was very peaceful like, picture a BLM riot, I mean march type atmosphere, minus the fires etc. Essentially, the fans stormed the field
 
I see dozens of posts, on all sides, that have a premise that's simply not true. Some of these misunderstandings are totally partisan filtering of the facts, but sometimes it's from incomplete media reports. Occasionally the facts that aren't well known are important in understanding what really happened. So , take the quiz and post to tell us how well you did,

1. Who requested / called for National Guard members to enter D.C.?
  • Steven Sund, Chief of DC police
  • Mayor Bowser
  • The House Sargent at Arms , Paul Irving
  • All of the above
All were involved in the requests for support. We have no evidence that Pence made a call for help, even though that was the headline in the weeks following the riot. Several witnesses to the Select Committee have told the press that they are certain Trump never called for the NG. This article has the clearest explanation of what actually happened ( although it gets complicated, make a chart of the people and it might help follow who is the boss of who , and who got the word from Major General William Walker ) :

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/
Trump offered the NG to Congress BEFORE 1/6. His offer was declined.

2. Which happened first?
  • Protesters broke through the outer security perimeter of the Capitol
  • The Electoral College convenes in a joint session.
  • Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse
These are in order. A small crowd had gathered at the Capitol before Trump started his speech. They broke through the west outer perimeter barricade , at about 1:00 p. m . , the EC convened about 5 minutes after that, the speech at the ellipse finished at about 1:10
I think you are confusing the Electoral College with Congress.

3. Which is a more serious crime, which has a greater maximum sentence if convicted?

  • Insurrection
  • Sedition
  • Conspiracy
Sedition is the most serious, the sentence may be up to 20 years, Insurrection has a maximum of 10 years.


4. Who was included in the Capitol Security chain of command on and before January 6th 2020?
  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Mitch McConnell
  • Sergeant at Arms of the House
  • Sergeant at Arms of the Senate
  • All of the above
All of the above


5. True or false:

The Republican plan for J6 was perfectly legal

FALSE

"Once a House member and Senator submit an objection, the two chambers of Congress separate to debate for two hours and to vote on whether to continue counting the votes in light of the objection. Both chambers must vote by a simple majority to concur with the objection for it to stand, otherwise the objection fails.

If both chambers of Congress affirm the objection and the objection results in no one candidate receiving the necessary 270-vote Electoral College majority, the 12th Amendment dictates a congressional process for selecting a president and vice president. "

This means that there was never any hope of legally invoking the 12th A on J6. If both chambers of congress had concurred with the objection, the 12th A would have been invoked and trump would be president. It was obvious, before they started, that the House would not agree to the objection. That means that it was hopeless to legally invoke the 12th amendment on J6.
Sergeant at Arms of the Senate


It was NOT obvious that the House would not agree to the objection.

6. Did Trump know that the protersters were going to be able to get inside the Capitol buildig before Janary 5th?

I'm not aware of any real evidence that anyone at the White House thought that it would be possible for protesters to get into the building.
 
Trump offered the NG to Congress BEFORE 1/6. His offer was declined.


I think you are confusing the Electoral College with Congress.


It was NOT obvious that the House would not agree to the objection.
Was the House full of Democrats? were there more dems than pubs? Which dem or dems were going to vote to affirm the objection? Who was hoping that the dems in the house would vote to concur with the objection?

OK, Congress people and the electors acting as the EC ? IS that OK?

Sure, I know trump did, I meant on the day itself.
 
I see dozens of posts, on all sides, that have a premise that's simply not true. Some of these misunderstandings are totally partisan filtering of the facts, but sometimes it's from incomplete media reports. Occasionally the facts that aren't well known are important in understanding what really happened. So , take the quiz and post to tell us how well you did,

1. Who requested / called for National Guard members to enter D.C.?
  • Steven Sund, Chief of DC police
  • Mayor Bowser
  • The House Sargent at Arms , Paul Irving
  • All of the above
All were involved in the requests for support. We have no evidence that Pence made a call for help, even though that was the headline in the weeks following the riot. Several witnesses to the Select Committee have told the press that they are certain Trump never called for the NG. This article has the clearest explanation of what actually happened ( although it gets complicated, make a chart of the people and it might help follow who is the boss of who , and who got the word from Major General William Walker ) :

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...d-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/


2. Which happened first?
  • Protesters broke through the outer security perimeter of the Capitol
  • The Electoral College convenes in a joint session.
  • Trump finished his speech at the Ellipse
These are in order. A small crowd had gathered at the Capitol before Trump started his speech. They broke through the west outer perimeter barricade , at about 1:00 p. m . , the EC convened about 5 minutes after that, the speech at the ellipse finished at about 1:10


3. Which is a more serious crime, which has a greater maximum sentence if convicted?

  • Insurrection
  • Sedition
  • Conspiracy
Sedition is the most serious, the sentence may be up to 20 years, Insurrection has a maximum of 10 years.


4. Who was included in the Capitol Security chain of command on and before January 6th 2020?
  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Mitch McConnell
  • Sergeant at Arms of the House
  • Sergeant at Arms of the Senate
  • All of the above
All of the above


5. True or false:

The Republican plan for J6 was perfectly legal

FALSE

"Once a House member and Senator submit an objection, the two chambers of Congress separate to debate for two hours and to vote on whether to continue counting the votes in light of the objection. Both chambers must vote by a simple majority to concur with the objection for it to stand, otherwise the objection fails.

If both chambers of Congress affirm the objection and the objection results in no one candidate receiving the necessary 270-vote Electoral College majority, the 12th Amendment dictates a congressional process for selecting a president and vice president. "

This means that there was never any hope of legally invoking the 12th A on J6. If both chambers of congress had concurred with the objection, the 12th A would have been invoked and trump would be president. It was obvious, before they started, that the House would not agree to the objection. That means that it was hopeless to legally invoke the 12th amendment on J6.
Sergeant at Arms of the Senate



6. Did Trump know that the protersters were going to be able to get inside the Capitol buildig before Janary 5th?

I'm not aware of any real evidence that anyone at the White House thought that it would be possible for protesters to get into the building.
Perhaps it appears to be nitpicking, but as to #3, "conspiracy" is not a crime in and of itself. It is "conspiracy to......." with the later part defining just how serious the "conspiracy" aspect of the crime is.
 
Trump offered the NG to Congress BEFORE 1/6. His offer was declined.


I think you are confusing the Electoral College with Congress.


It was NOT obvious that the House would not agree to the objection.
Trumps offer was for the NG to be there to protect the Trump protestors. Not sure that qualifies.
 
Perhaps it appears to be nitpicking, but as to #3, "conspiracy" is not a crime in and of itself. It is "conspiracy to......." with the later part defining just how serious the "conspiracy" aspect of the crime is.
OK , I see what you mean, like the Proud Boys, conspiracy to obstruct congress - Thanks
 
Why did the chicken cross the road?

1/6 was a frat keg party that got out of hand. For the most part it was very peaceful like, picture a BLM riot, I mean march type atmosphere, minus the fires etc. Essentially, the fans stormed the field

Say, does this mean you got all 6 correct?
Good job !
 
Trump offered the NG to Congress BEFORE 1/6. His offer was declined.


I think you are confusing the Electoral College with Congress.


It was NOT obvious that the House would not agree to the objection.

To the first sentence, Wouldn't Mitch and Nancy have to share the blame? If they would, then should we believe in the reports that try to claim one or the other wanted the riot to happen?

Also, this is something not the law or codes. Even with FBI reports of heavy media activity centered on DC, and other warnings they should have seen, they still counted on the people having common decency in some old-fashioned way, that they would yield to law enforcement. Before January, Mitch and Nancy trusted the public to not cross that line. Then they, like me and millions others were shocked that afternoon.
 
To the first sentence, Wouldn't Mitch and Nancy have to share the blame? If they would, then should we believe in the reports that try to claim one or the other wanted the riot to happen?
Or both. Yes, that's what I think.

Also, this is something not the law or codes. Even with FBI reports of heavy media activity centered on DC, and other warnings they should have seen, they still counted on the people having common decency in some old-fashioned way, that they would yield to law enforcement. Before January, Mitch and Nancy trusted the public to not cross that line. Then they, like me and millions others were shocked that afternoon.
I think those two...and others...counted on the public to cross the line. In fact, they provoked it.
 
Or both. Yes, that's what I think.


I think those two...and others...counted on the public to cross the line. In fact, they provoked it.


January 7, 2021- "Technically, Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman told reporters on Thursday, the president had given Miller the green light to call up National Guard days earlier."

This article explains the paperwork that stalled the NG response. Couldn't they have just called Miller first?

It's hard to imagine Mitch and Nancy conspiring .

When both agreed to decline the offer before J6 to intentionally make the capitol security more vulnerable, and if the riot stopped the procedure that would have made trump president, does it follow that Mitch secretly wanted Biden to win?
 
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Trump offered the NG to Congress BEFORE 1/6. His offer was declined.......

To protect the "demonstrators". :rolleyes:



Are you really dumb enough to think that he wanted to protect the capitol from himself ?

If you did, you must be a real special kind of stupid. ;)
 
It's hard to imagine Mitch and Nancy conspiring .
No it's not. They are both Trump haters. They had been conspiring for four years, already.

When both agreed to decline the offer before J6 to intentionally make the capitol security more vulnerable, and if the riot stopped the procedure that would have made trump president, does it follow that Mitch secretly wanted Biden to win?
Of course. McConnell is first and foremost a GOP Elite. Part of the UniParty. He absolutely would take a Biden win over a Trump win.

A Biden win doesn't end his ability to satisfy his globalist and lobbyist donors. Can't say the same about a Trump win.
 
No it's not. They are both Trump haters. They had been conspiring for four years, already.


Of course. McConnell is first and foremost a GOP Elite. Part of the UniParty. He absolutely would take a Biden win over a Trump win.

A Biden win doesn't end his ability to satisfy his globalist and lobbyist donors. Can't say the same about a Trump win.

We agree on a few things,
Mitch didn't want trump reelected.
After he retires he'll make more money than ever.
After those two sentences none of my reasons would be the same as any of yours. I'll go first and let you reply last. It's getting late.
I think McConnell sees trump as the end of American conservatism.
and
The most important facts for me are not about McConnell.

But hey, we agree on two things. 👍
 
It would not surprise me if we learn that Trump actually did know by January 5th that the attackers expected to gain entry.
Pick and choose what you want to believe there don't you.
 
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