TAIWAN: 'Scum of the nation' report sparks Lu's ire

[ludahai]

Hmm. Is this an indication of the hidden pro-China sentiment in the big media establishment?

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[jfuh]

Hmm. Is this an indication of the hidden pro-China sentiment in the big media establishment?

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I have to say, I missed the broadcast of that segment. But couldn't help laughing my *** off when I saw it.
Pro-China sentiment? Maybe, but there is some truth to it, she is indeed scum, just like her boss, total morons. But then, I know you know that I think that.

 

[Morrow]

Maybe, so what?

 

[ludahai]

I have to say, I missed the broadcast of that segment. But couldn't help laughing my *** off when I saw it.
Pro-China sentiment? Maybe, but there is some truth to it, she is indeed scum, just like her boss, total morons. But then, I know you know that I think that.

While I am not a big fan of the vice president, the report was way out of bounds. If you had an open mind, you would realize that. However,since you are the biggest supporter on here of the ChiComs and their KMT lackeys, it is not surprising that you don't.

 

[jfuh]

While I am not a big fan of the vice president, the report was way out of bounds. If you had an open mind, you would realize that. However,since you are the biggest supporter on here of the ChiComs and their KMT lackeys, it is not surprising that you don't.

:lamo, chicoms right. You're still calling them chicoms is representative of just how open minded you are.
She is scum, though not as much as her boss. How much did the Economy fall following Chen's new statements on pro-independence? How about their involvement with the corruption scandal that the prosecutors stated he had enough evidence to indict Chen but because of his current status would be unable to do.

 

[ludahai]

:lamo, chicoms right. You're still calling them chicoms is representative of just how open minded you are.
She is scum, though not as much as her boss. How much did the Economy fall following Chen's new statements on pro-independence? How about their involvement with the corruption scandal that the prosecutors stated he had enough evidence to indict Chen but because of his current status would be unable to do.

Well, they call themselves 中國公產黨 (Chinese Communist Party.)

As for the economy, the economy in Taiwan is doing well. Unemployment is low, economic growth is solid, inflation is almost nonexistant, and the stock market has nearly doubled in the last three years. Sounds pretty good to me.

As for corruption, it seems Blue hero Ma YingJeou is also in some hot water along those lines, and for nearly exactly the same thing that the President's wife has been charged with.

Your using the same words as your Peiping masters is very telling.

 

[jfuh]

Well, they call themselves 中國公產黨 (Chinese Communist Party.)

You mean 中國共產黨, aka 共匪? so what about what they call themselves? Chicom is nothing but a derogatory slur used by the conservative right to denote a once present adversary. Even though they are communist by name alone and not by practice (anymore). Something about open mindedness hmmm.

As for the economy, the economy in Taiwan is doing well. Unemployment is low, economic growth is solid, inflation is almost nonexistant, and the stock market has nearly doubled in the last three years. Sounds pretty good to me.

Funny cause you're leaving out a lot of facts ie the huge crash of the market just last week? The fact that now foreign investment is practically zilch especially now with crazy chen crying his head off to avoid being in the spotlight for corruption charges.
Economic growth is far from solid and unemployment has been on a constant rise since Chen took power.

As for corruption, it seems Blue hero Ma YingJeou is also in some hot water along those lines, and for nearly exactly the same thing that the President's wife has been charged with.

:lamo, and how has that trial been going these days?

Your using the same words as your Peiping masters is very telling.

:roll: wow, how creative of you. While you dwell in your fictitious dream that Taiwan is an independent nation with 0 relationship whatsoever with china you might want to change your name there to something that is actually independent of any Chinese characters. After all, we don't want to confuse the Chinese language that you are using with you actually originating from Chinese. I suggest one of the native aboriginal languages as only they have the right to claim to be true Taiwanese.


BTW good job of derailing your own thread with the mudslinging.

 

[ludahai]

You mean 中國共產黨, aka 共匪? so what about what they call themselves? Chicom is nothing but a derogatory slur used by the conservative right to denote a once present adversary. Even though they are communist by name alone and not by practice (anymore). Something about open mindedness hmmm.

Right, typed the wrong tone for the character 共. ChiCom is derogatory. I have derogatory feelings against regimes that deny basic human rights to its citizens and claim territory that does not belong to them.

Funny cause you're leaving out a lot of facts ie the huge crash of the market just last week? The fact that now foreign investment is practically zilch especially now with crazy chen crying his head off to avoid being in the spotlight for corruption charges.

Hmm. It seems that the crash was GLOBAL, not only in Taiwan. In fact, the day it all started, Taiwan was the only significant stock market in the world that recorded a GAIN! It wasn't until DAY THREE that Taiwan's markets took a hit. Like the rest of the world, Taiwan's markets have stabilized and are once again on the uptick. However, far be it from you to recognize truth. You would rather rely on half-truths to bolster your argument.

As for foreign investment being zilch, you are nothing by a raving lunatic. The new science based industrial park here in Taichung is drawing in foreign investment as well as Taiwanese returning from overseas (especially China.)

Economic growth is far from solid and unemployment has been on a constant rise since Chen took power.

I suppose you would get that reading the pan-Blue media. Economic growth is over four percent, inflation be below one percent, and unemployment is lower than the overwhelming majority of industrial societies around the world.

:lamo, and how has that trial been going these days?

Still in the investigative process, as was Wu Shu Jhen's for several months after her indictment.

:roll: wow, how creative of you. While you dwell in your fictitious dream that Taiwan is an independent nation with 0 relationship whatsoever with china you might want to change your name there to something that is actually independent of any Chinese characters. After all, we don't want to confuse the Chinese language that you are using with you actually originating from Chinese. I suggest one of the native aboriginal languages as only they have the right to claim to be true Taiwanese.

Did I EVER say with zero relationship with China? Here are the relavant facts. Taiwan had never been part of the same polity as China prior to 1683. In 1683, the MANCHUS, who had conquered China four decades conquer SOME of the west coast of Taiwan. They made immigration to Taiwan illegal for most of the 18th century by imperial edict. Even as late as the 1870s, more than half of Taiwan lay outside Qing control. The Manchus signed away all rights and claim to Taiwan in 1895. No properly-ratified, legally-executed, treaty at any point of time thereafter restored those rights to the Qing or any other successor regime of China. As for the true Taiwanese, that is everyone who lives in Taiwan and is a citizen lawfully according to the laws of the legitimate government of Taiwan, something that Taiwan has only had since 1996.

BTW good job of derailing your own thread with the mudslinging.

I think you should look in the mirror each time you bring about a mudslinging charge.

 

[Thelost1]

Right, typed the wrong tone for the character ?. ChiCom is derogatory. I have derogatory feelings against regimes that deny basic human rights to its citizens and claim territory that does not belong to them.

Like what territory?

 

[ludahai]

Like what territory?

The claim the entire South China Sea as their private lake, despite the fact that Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and the Philippines have far stronger claims to most of the southern half of the sea. They claim the median line of the Gulf of Tonkin despite the fact that by treaty, the line is due south from the land border between the two countries at the coastline. They claim an EEZ in the East China Sea that runs almost up to the Japanese Ryukyu Islands. They claim the Senkaku Islands, to which Taiwan has an arguably legitimate claim, but not China. They claim parts of territory in the Russian Far East, though Chinese nationalists want far more. They occupy Aksai Chin (legally part of India) as well as part of Arunachal Pradesh. They also claim much of northeast India. They also have claims along the Burman border. They also claim the island of Taiwan, to which they have no legal claim.

 

[jfuh]

Right, typed the wrong tone for the character 共. ChiCom is derogatory. I have derogatory feelings against regimes that deny basic human rights to its citizens and claim territory that does not belong to them.

Abu Garab, Gitmo? Japan and the Diao yu island. Your totally bias against the mainland - then make false accusations of where my loyalties lay.

Hmm. It seems that the crash was GLOBAL, not only in Taiwan. In fact, the day it all started, Taiwan was the only significant stock market in the world that recorded a GAIN! It wasn't until DAY THREE that Taiwan's markets took a hit. Like the rest of the world, Taiwan's markets have stabilized and are once again on the uptick. However, far be it from you to recognize truth. You would rather rely on half-truths to bolster your argument.

Bullshit not a single number agrees with you. Was there an effect from Shanghai's drop yes, but that was the WEEK BEFORE not the week I'm referencing to. Chen's rhetoric is meant for nothing but to remove the focus from his corruption.

As for foreign investment being zilch, you are nothing by a raving lunatic. The new science based industrial park here in Taichung is drawing in foreign investment as well as Taiwanese returning from overseas (especially China.)

:lamo, you keep telling yourself that. Majority of the populace doesn't buy that bs.

I suppose you would get that reading the pan-Blue media. Economic growth is over four percent, inflation be below one percent, and unemployment is lower than the overwhelming majority of industrial societies around the world.

Pan blue media?:lamo Try any media world wide. Including the one calling annete scum of the nation, couldn't be a more accurate representation.

Still in the investigative process, as was Wu Shu Jhen's for several months after her indictment.

Was that before or after she faked passing out in the court room?

Did I EVER say with zero relationship with China? Here are the relavant facts. Taiwan had never been part of the same polity as China prior to 1683.

BS

In 1683, the MANCHUS, who had conquered China four decades conquer SOME of the west coast of Taiwan. They made immigration to Taiwan illegal for most of the 18th century by imperial edict.

BS revisionist history of the typical pan green trying to disconnect any historical connections. Hey there wasn't even a US until 1774, so?

Even as late as the 1870s, more than half of Taiwan lay outside Qing control.

More revisionist BS.

The Manchus signed away all rights and claim to Taiwan in 1895.

Now why did they do that out of the blue?

No properly-ratified, legally-executed, treaty at any point of time thereafter restored those rights to the Qing or any other successor regime of China.

There you go again, spin spin spin, forgetting the simple fact that even though the west purposely precluded China from attending the SF treaty for the purpose of maintaining China out of the peace negotiations of the surrender of Japan from the threat of the communists that even then, within 15 years time there must be an establishment of sovereignty. To which that belongs to the ROC. Oh surprise surprise What's that C in the end of those initials? Oh right, CHINA.

As for the true Taiwanese, that is everyone who lives in Taiwan and is a citizen lawfully according to the laws of the legitimate government of Taiwan, something that Taiwan has only had since 1996.

:lamo :lamo wow, talk about revisionist history, ok, I'll take you up on this, so what is this the national name of this "legitimate" government?

I think you should look in the mirror each time you bring about a mudslinging charge.

Really? How was I mudslinging in post #2? Seems that what you did in post #4.

 

[ludahai]

Abu Garab, Gitmo? Japan and the Diao yu island. Your totally bias against the mainland - then make false accusations of where my loyalties lay.

What bias? Reporting the truth about China is bias? As for your loyalties, they are clearly toward China. Else, you wouldn't parrot their rhetoric on a regular basis.

Bullshit not a single number agrees with you. Was there an effect from Shanghai's drop yes, but that was the WEEK BEFORE not the week I'm referencing to. Chen's rhetoric is meant for nothing but to remove the focus from his corruption.

Source? Are you talking about the minor drop on February 9 and 10? A loss that was more than made up for two sessions later? This on the same day that the KOSPI also took a dip? The day after the Hang Seng began a two day slide? You must have hated today then as Taiwan's was Asia's best performing market on the day!

Major World Indices - Yahoo! Finance

:lamo, you keep telling yourself that. Majority of the populace doesn't buy that bs.

Because people have been bombarded with the twisting of the facts by the pan-Blue media.
PPP per capita income; economic growth; inflation; unemployment; pop. growth; net economic growth (growth-inflation)
Taiwan $29,000; 4.4%; 1%; 3.9%; 0.61%; 3.4%
Korea $24,200; 4.8%; 2.2%; 3.3%; 0.42%; 2.6%
Japan $33,100; 2.8%; 0.3%; 4.1%; 0.02%; 2.5%

Hmm, here are the numbers. Looks pretty good to me. Of the three developed economies in the region, Taiwan looks to be the best performer at the moment if measured in economic growth minus inflation!

Pan blue media?:lamo Try any media world wide. Including the one calling annete scum of the nation, couldn't be a more accurate representation.

Only the ChiComs and the Pan-Blue are calling her the "Scum of the Nation"

Was that before or after she faked passing out in the court room?

Right, your KMT thugs cripple her in an attempt to assassinate her husband back in the 1980s, and you DARE make this kind of an attack on her? You surely have no scruples. Not surprising of one taking the position of a party that used images of Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein in the last presidential election.

BS
BS revisionist history of the typical pan green trying to disconnect any historical connections. Hey there wasn't even a US until 1774, so?

More revisionist BS.

So, you are saying that the Manchus occupied ALL of Taiwan from 1683? THat is pure bull.

Now why did they do that out of the blue?

Doesn't change the fact that a treaty was signed,they surrendered Taiwan, never to regain it through legal means.

There you go again, spin spin spin, forgetting the simple fact that even though the west purposely precluded China from attending the SF treaty for the purpose of maintaining China out of the peace negotiations of the surrender of Japan from the threat of the communists that even then, within 15 years time there must be an establishment of sovereignty. To which that belongs to the ROC. Oh surprise surprise What's that C in the end of those initials? Oh right, CHINA.

Irrelevant. Japan was the de jure sovereign until the Peace Treaty of SF. As they were the sovereign, they could negotiate with anyone they liked. As it is, some two dozen allied countries signed and ratified the Peace Treaty, and this it is the legally binding document concluding the war in the Pacific.

:lamo :lamo wow, talk about revisionist history, ok, I'll take you up on this, so what is this the national name of this "legitimate" government?

The same name illegally imposed on it following World War II, a name that only remains due to threats from China and their fifth columnists in the KMT.

 

[jfuh]

What bias? Reporting the truth about China is bias? As for your loyalties, they are clearly toward China. Else, you wouldn't parrot their rhetoric on a regular basis.



Source? Are you talking about the minor drop on February 9 and 10? A loss that was more than made up for two sessions later? This on the same day that the KOSPI also took a dip? The day after the Hang Seng began a two day slide? You must have hated today then as Taiwan's was Asia's best performing market on the day!

Major World Indices - Yahoo! Finance



Because people have been bombarded with the twisting of the facts by the pan-Blue media.
PPP per capita income; economic growth; inflation; unemployment; pop. growth; net economic growth (growth-inflation)
Taiwan $29,000; 4.4%; 1%; 3.9%; 0.61%; 3.4%
Korea $24,200; 4.8%; 2.2%; 3.3%; 0.42%; 2.6%
Japan $33,100; 2.8%; 0.3%; 4.1%; 0.02%; 2.5%

Hmm, here are the numbers. Looks pretty good to me. Of the three developed economies in the region, Taiwan looks to be the best performer at the moment if measured in economic growth minus inflation!



Only the ChiComs and the Pan-Blue are calling her the "Scum of the Nation"



Right, your KMT thugs cripple her in an attempt to assassinate her husband back in the 1980s, and you DARE make this kind of an attack on her? You surely have no scruples. Not surprising of one taking the position of a party that used images of Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein in the last presidential election.



So, you are saying that the Manchus occupied ALL of Taiwan from 1683? THat is pure bull.



Doesn't change the fact that a treaty was signed,they surrendered Taiwan, never to regain it through legal means.



Irrelevant. Japan was the de jure sovereign until the Peace Treaty of SF. As they were the sovereign, they could negotiate with anyone they liked. As it is, some two dozen allied countries signed and ratified the Peace Treaty, and this it is the legally binding document concluding the war in the Pacific.



The same name illegally imposed on it following World War II, a name that only remains due to threats from China and their fifth columnists in the KMT.

Lies and halve truths. It's quite pointless talking to someone who's rejects historical facts for fictional half truths. Your bias have clouded your judgement so far that even after I pointed that you've successfully derailed your own thread upon zero provocation you continue on this fight. Well have fun slinging your mud, but until you accept the realities and get your head out of Chen and his mob there's little for us to discuss here. Your advocation is for nothing but mob rule and only mob rule that you support.
Sorry but what I see here is typical pan green bs, you want to get into a mudslinging contest rather than discuss your own topic. Fine, make me your Kwanzaa.

 

[FreeThinker]

Hmm. Is this an indication of the hidden pro-China sentiment in the big media establishment?

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That's the associated press. Biased bullshit spewing forth each and every day, crapping on the "journalist ethics" that college professors claim exists.

The AP is all for big government/socialism/communism/wellfare states. China is communist, so the AP puts out articles that attack their enemies.

 

[jfuh]

That's the associated press. Biased bullshit spewing forth each and every day, crapping on the "journalist ethics" that college professors claim exists.

The AP is all for big government/socialism/communism/wellfare states. China is communist, so the AP puts out articles that attack their enemies.

:lamo not even close.

 

[ludahai]

Lies and halve truths. It's quite pointless talking to someone who's rejects historical facts for fictional half truths. Your bias have clouded your judgement so far that even after I pointed that you've successfully derailed your own thread upon zero provocation you continue on this fight. Well have fun slinging your mud, but until you accept the realities and get your head out of Chen and his mob there's little for us to discuss here. Your advocation is for nothing but mob rule and only mob rule that you support.
Sorry but what I see here is typical pan green bs, you want to get into a mudslinging contest rather than discuss your own topic. Fine, make me your Kwanzaa.

You have absolutely nothing to counter the economic numbers I have posted, the historical truth of China vis a vis Taiwan, and nothing to counter the fact that there is no legally binding treaty by which Taiwan is transferred to Chinese control. You have absolutely nothing, so you come up with this.

As for Qing control over Taiwan, this is NOT revisionist history. In the 1870s, the Japanese Foreign Ministry and the Qing Zongli Yamen exchanged a series of diplomatic notes regarding eastern Taiwan and the last of Qing control there. The Qing conceded that they in fact had no active control over that part of the island.

You have nothing to counter the economic numbers I posted. You made the claim that the stock market dropped AS A RESULT of Chen's rhetoric, but I posted facts about other regional stock markets falling at the same time.

You are the one who has nothing. Unless you can come up with more, I think it is safe to say that, once again, you HAVE BEEN SCHOOLED!

You are welcome to return anytime, this teacher is very patient!

 

[jfuh]

You have absolutely nothing to counter the economic numbers I have posted, the historical truth of China vis a vis Taiwan, and nothing to counter the fact that there is no legally binding treaty by which Taiwan is transferred to Chinese control. You have absolutely nothing, so you come up with this.

As for Qing control over Taiwan, this is NOT revisionist history. In the 1870s, the Japanese Foreign Ministry and the Qing Zongli Yamen exchanged a series of diplomatic notes regarding eastern Taiwan and the last of Qing control there. The Qing conceded that they in fact had no active control over that part of the island.

You have nothing to counter the economic numbers I posted. You made the claim that the stock market dropped AS A RESULT of Chen's rhetoric, but I posted facts about other regional stock markets falling at the same time.

You are the one who has nothing. Unless you can come up with more, I think it is safe to say that, once again, you HAVE BEEN SCHOOLED!

You are welcome to return anytime, this teacher is very patient!

Teacher? :lamo sorry but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about except for revisionist history and halve truths. Your blind hatred for anything Chinese (which is ironic considering you're living there) preludes you from the actual historical facts that disagree with your viewpoints. When you're not so blindly hating of Chinese we'll have something to discuss until then you're just blowing hot air.

 

[ludahai]

Teacher? :lamo sorry but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about except for revisionist history and halve truths. Your blind hatred for anything Chinese (which is ironic considering you're living there) preludes you from the actual historical facts that disagree with your viewpoints. When you're not so blindly hating of Chinese we'll have something to discuss until then you're just blowing hot air.

I don't live in China today, I live in Taiwan. You know, many Taiwanese always look down on the Chinese.

As for historical facts, which historical facts have I been "revising?" All you have is innuendo when in fact, you have nothing. You make claims that President Chen's rhetoric caused a stock market drop in February and I blew that out of the water, you said NOTHING. You claim Taiwan's economy is falling behind, and I blow that one out of the water, and you say NOTHING. You come up with weak claims that I am a history revisionist. You are merely spouting off CPP-KMT revisionist history in other threads. THEY are the historical revisionists, I am merely the historical realist.

Put up or shut up. Once again, you are SCHOOLED!

 

[ludahai]

:lamo, and how has that trial been going these days?

Trial begins on April 3.

 

[jfuh]

I don't live in China today, I live in Taiwan. You know, many Taiwanese always look down on the Chinese.

As for historical facts, which historical facts have I been "revising?" All you have is innuendo when in fact, you have nothing. You make claims that President Chen's rhetoric caused a stock market drop in February and I blew that out of the water, you said NOTHING. You claim Taiwan's economy is falling behind, and I blow that one out of the water, and you say NOTHING. You come up with weak claims that I am a history revisionist. You are merely spouting off CPP-KMT revisionist history in other threads. THEY are the historical revisionists, I am merely the historical realist.

Put up or shut up. Once again, you are SCHOOLED!

whatever you say. All you have are half truths. If you consider posting a realtime stock ticker as proof of anything (btw all are in the red right now) than that really goes to show what you believe is to be fact.
You claim I'm spouting cpp kmt revisionist history when infact I cite historical facts. That which you spout and scream is nothing by the rhetoric of the DPP and separatisms. You keep on screaming here school school school when I find it amusing how you continue to derail your own thread. Talk about schooling.

 

[jfuh]

Trial begins on April 3.

I wasn't referencing to Ma's trial. This is exactly what I mean by revisioning.

 

[ludahai]

whatever you say. All you have are half truths. If you consider posting a realtime stock ticker as proof of anything (btw all are in the red right now) than that really goes to show what you believe is to be fact.

Right, a real-time ticker for past data. You made a claim about President Chen and the stock market. I debunked it with FACTS. All you can do is come and give us :spin: .

You claim I'm spouting cpp kmt revisionist history when infact I cite historical facts. That which you spout and scream is nothing by the rhetoric of the DPP and separatisms. You keep on screaming here school school school when I find it amusing how you continue to derail your own thread. Talk about schooling.

You claim I am giving revisionist history without even pointing out the points you disagree with and your basis for it. Come up with something, or shut up. Put up or shut up.

 

[ludahai]

I wasn't referencing to Ma's trial. This is exactly what I mean by revisioning.

Go back to post #7

Quote:
Originally Posted by ludahai
As for corruption, it seems Blue hero Ma YingJeou is also in some hot water along those lines, and for nearly exactly the same thing that the President's wife has been charged with.

, and how has that trial been going these days?

Busted! You DID respond to my pointing out that Ma was also to be indicted, and he is now scheduled to go on trial.

You are engaging in revisionist history, as usual.

BTW, Taiwan's stock market was the best performer in Asia again.

Major World Indices - Yahoo! Finance

 

[FreeThinker]

Teacher? :lamo sorry but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about except for revisionist history and halve truths. Your blind hatred for anything Chinese (which is ironic considering you're living there) preludes you from the actual historical facts that disagree with your viewpoints. When you're not so blindly hating of Chinese we'll have something to discuss until then you're just blowing hot air.

A white guy in America telling a guy in Taiwan that he's part of China... hahaha, jfuh knows absolutely no bounds.

 

[jfuh]

A white guy in America telling a guy in Taiwan that he's part of China... hahaha, jfuh knows absolutely no bounds.

You've no idea, lu is the white guy in Taiwan, I'm the Chinese in America.Get your head straight buddy.