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.I just have to ask the age old question, "Do you want it sunny and warm tomorrow, or cold and wet?"
Yes, they're always backbiting the rain and then Nature starves and punishes us with storms..
Are those the only choices? Do the people suffering under record highs in the West want it sunny and hot day after day?
Do we agree that if we click on the link we don't get temperatures, but rather "anomolies". What I'm saying is imagine if a kid doesn't want to go to school & says hey mom, I took my temp & I got an anomaly of 103!!! What I need to see is temperatures, not anomalies.I think the best we can hope for for an average global temperature is the RSS data set.
RSS
It is a somewhat unbiased mapping of an atmospheric variable that can be correlated to temperature.
--and my question is that if we really know there's heat, then someone must know how much heat, and know what the temperature was before and what it is now. You're not saying what temperature was before & what it is now. So far I haven't found anyone else yet either but I'm still look tho...What we do know is that excess human-produced CO2 in the atmosphere since the onset of the Industrial Revolution holds heat. That is called “global warming” and is an absolute fact at this point.
--and my question is that if we really know there's heat, then someone must know how much heat, and know what the temperature was before and what it is now. You're not saying what temperature was before & what it is now. So far I haven't found anyone else yet either but I'm still look tho...
I just have to ask the age old question, "Do you want it sunny and warm tomorrow, or cold and wet?"
Do we agree that if we click on the link we don't get temperatures, but rather "anomolies". What I'm saying is imagine if a kid doesn't want to go to school & says hey mom, I took my temp & I got an anomaly of 103!!! What I need to see is temperatures, not anomalies.
Do we agree that if we click on the link we don't get temperatures, but rather "anomolies". What I'm saying is imagine if a kid doesn't want to go to school & says hey mom, I took my temp & I got an anomaly of 103!!! What I need to see is temperatures, not anomalies.
The publish temperatures as anomalies compared to a baseline,Do we agree that if we click on the link we don't get temperatures, but rather "anomolies". What I'm saying is imagine if a kid doesn't want to go to school & says hey mom, I took my temp & I got an anomaly of 103!!! What I need to see is temperatures, not anomalies.
Yeah, a few years ago I check w/ a Greenland core data set from NOAA paleoclimatology site & got this (temp in C vs. years before present)--If you check the ice core record from both poles over the last 4000 years (Kobashi 2011) we are slap bang in the middle of temperature variations over that period and well within normal natural variation in both level and rate of change
All the rest is just about politics money fear and control
Yeah, a few years ago I check w/ a Greenland core data set from NOAA paleoclimatology site & got this (temp in C vs. years before present)--
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--and this (again temp C vs. years before present)--
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It was interesting but it just doesn't support the AGW narrative. So while nobody can prove a negative (there is no warming) I'm trying to find someone who can prove a positive ("this" proves that we do have warming).
Its a phrase politicians love using but what does it actually mean ?
simple truth is the phrase "Tackling climate change" is just anger example of political theater (i.e. propaganda) mostly used by "left leaning" partisan believers to rally around
Look guy, EVERYONE has a list of "thousands of independently operating experts over the course of 100 years of analysis of the topic" that they point to & say see I'm right see see see --and then they pass out I can can go back to trying to find the temp of the earth.So the cumulative expertise of thousands upon thousands of independently operating experts over the course of 100 years of analysis of the topic doesn't convince you?...
Look guy, EVERYONE has a list of "thousands of independently operating experts over the course of 100 years of analysis of the topic" that they point to & say see I'm right see see see --and then they pass out I can can go back to trying to find the temp of the earth.
Remember I'm not looking for the anomaly of the earth (nor the taste, mass, color, or the feel), please tell me the TEMPERATURE of the earth.
NOAA said:Absolute estimates of global average surface temperature are difficult to compile for several reasons. Some regions have few temperature measurement stations (e.g., the Sahara Desert) and interpolation must be made over large, data-sparse regions. In mountainous areas, most observations come from the inhabited valleys, so the effect of elevation on a region's average temperature must be considered as well. For example, a summer month over an area may be cooler than average, both at a mountain top and in a nearby valley, but the absolute temperatures will be quite different at the two locations. The use of anomalies in this case will show that temperatures for both locations were below average.
Using reference values computed on smaller [more local] scales over the same time period establishes a baseline from which anomalies are calculated. This effectively normalizes the data so they can be compared and combined to more accurately represent temperature patterns with respect to what is normal for different places within a region.
For these reasons, large-area summaries incorporate anomalies, not the temperature itself. Anomalies more accurately describe climate variability over larger areas than absolute temperatures do, and they give a frame of reference that allows more meaningful comparisons between locations and more accurate calculations of temperature trends.
Yeah, a few years ago I check w/ a Greenland core data set from NOAA paleoclimatology site & got this (temp in C vs. years before present)--
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--and this (again temp C vs. years before present)--
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It was interesting but it just doesn't support the AGW narrative. So while nobody can prove a negative (there is no warming) I'm trying to find someone who can prove a positive ("this" proves that we do have warming).
simple truth is the phrase "Tackling climate change" is just anger example of political theater (i.e. propaganda) mostly used by "left leaning" partisan believers to rally around
sadly in an idiocracy there is lots of political theater (i.e. propaganda) used by partisan believers on both sides of the political spectrum
Look guy, EVERYONE has a list of "thousands of independently operating experts over the course of 100 years of analysis of the topic" that they point to & say see I'm right see see see --and then they pass out I can can go back to trying to find the temp of the earth.
U know what the temp of the earth is? Remember I'm not looking for the anomaly of the earth (nor the taste, mass, color, or the feel), please tell me the TEMPERATURE of the earth.
OK, now we may be getting somewhere. If we say that we can't measure the temperature then off hand that should make it impossible to say that the temp is higher or lower. Hey, I know you can come up w/ endless rationalizing & intricate logic structures to defend whatever your belief system requires, but that's you & I'm trying to find out what the temp is....Perhaps the people at NOAA can help you:
Absolute estimates of global average surface temperature are difficult to compile for several reasons....
SOURCE: HERE
OK, now we may be getting somewhere. If we say that we can't measure the temperature then off hand that should make it impossible to say that the temp is higher or lower. Hey, I know you can come up w/ endless rationalizing & intricate logic structures to defend whatever your belief system requires, but that's you & I'm trying to find out what the temp is.
So now we know that NOAA can't figure it out. Maybe someone else can. We know the surface temp of the sun to 4 significant figures, we should certainly be able to get the same for the earth.
OK, now we may be getting somewhere. If we say that we can't measure the temperature then off hand that should make it impossible to say that the temp is higher or lower.
Hey, I know you can come up w/ endless rationalizing & intricate logic structures to defend whatever your belief system requires, but that's you & I'm trying to find out what the temp is.
So now we know that NOAA can't figure it out. Maybe someone else can. We know the surface temp of the sun to 4 significant figures, we should certainly be able to get the same for the earth.
Solar scientists would disagree. The solar atmosphere is far more complex than the atmosphere of the earth.,Very simplistic. The atmosphere of the sun is basicslly very simple when compared to that of Earth and its many different components. This is not a good example.
The way the ice cores work, is that when they support the narrative they represent the global temperature,Yeah, a few years ago I check w/ a Greenland core data set from NOAA paleoclimatology site & got this (temp in C vs. years before present)--
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--and this (again temp C vs. years before present)--
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It was interesting but it just doesn't support the AGW narrative. So while nobody can prove a negative (there is no warming) I'm trying to find someone who can prove a positive ("this" proves that we do have warming).
I'm curious. Do you understand what temporal resolution is, and what the temporal resolution is of the proxies to make the graph prior to the thermometer record? If so, I have a followup question.So you claim recent levels of warming are not unusual but clearly many professionals who are brave enough to publish disagree with you:
Yes I know what temporal resolution isI'm curious. Do you understand what temporal resolution is, and what the temporal resolution is of the proxies to make the graph prior to the thermometer record? If so, I have a followup question.
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