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Syrian refugees flood in; hundreds on monday

Do you have any actual proof that the UNHCR's figure is not accurate?


Exactly, because proving a false negative is a logical fallacy....

Do you have any proof the UNCHR figures are accurate?
 
Do you have any proof the UNCHR figures are accurate?

Again, proving a false negative is a logical fallacy....

But here, lets do some basic math. " Of the 14.4 million refugees of concern to UNHCR around the world, less than one per cent is submitted for resettlement" UNHCR - Resettlement "69,252 refugees departed to 26 countries of resettlement with UNHCR’s assistance" UNHCR - Frequently Asked Questions about Resettlement
Math: 69,252/14,400,000=.004 .004<.01 or in other words .4% is less than 1%....

Now lets see figures for 2015...
"In 2015, UNHCR submitted the files of over 134,000 refugees for consideration by resettlement countries" UNHCR - Resettlement
Now let see in terms of percentage how many are simply considered for resettlement (NOT ACTUALLY RESETTLED BUT SIMPLY CONSIDERED)
Math: 134,000/14,400,000=.009 .009<.01 or in other words .9% is less than 1%

"Departures have increased as well during the course of 2015 where 81,000 individuals departed to resettlement countries with UNHCR’s assistance. "
Now lets see in terms of percentage how many actually departed to a third country for resettlement
Math: 81,000/14,400,000=.005 .005<.01 or in other words.5% is less than 1%
 
Again, proving a false negative is a logical fallacy....

But here, lets do some basic math. " Of the 14.4 million refugees of concern to UNHCR around the world, less than one per cent is submitted for resettlement" UNHCR*- Resettlement "69,252 refugees departed to 26 countries of resettlement with UNHCR’s assistance" UNHCR*- Frequently Asked Questions about Resettlement
Math: 69,252/14,400,000=.004 .004<.01 or in other words .4% is less than 1%....

Now lets see figures for 2015...
"In 2015, UNHCR submitted the files of over 134,000 refugees for consideration by resettlement countries" UNHCR*- Resettlement
Now let see in terms of percentage how many are simply considered for resettlement (NOT ACTUALLY RESETTLED BUT SIMPLY CONSIDERED)
Math: 134,000/14,400,000=.009 .009<.01 or in other words .9% is less than 1%

"Departures have increased as well during the course of 2015 where 81,000 individuals departed to resettlement countries with UNHCR’s assistance. "
Now lets see in terms of percentage how many actually departed to a third country for resettlement
Math: 81,000/14,400,000=.005 .005<.01 or in other words.5% is less than 1%

All of that has little to do with the refugees beliefs. They can simply lie about anything they wish, with little or no confirmation since Syria is keeping 0 records on what refugees there are. Or do you believe Assad is forthcoming with these facts?
 
All of that has little to do with the refugees beliefs.
Moving the goalposts I see..... Went from the UN is lying about its data to now "beliefs"

They can simply lie about anything they wish, with little or no confirmation since Syria is keeping 0 records on what refugees there are. Or do you believe Assad is forthcoming with these facts?
1.)Yes they can lie. Hence why we have such a stringent background check and verification program with multiple rounds of interviews with different agencies and multiple reviews and verifications
2.)But if someone wanted to come to America to commit some sort of terrorist attack they would not go through a 2 year refugee program. If they wanted to commit a terrorist attack its much easier and a much quicker process to get a tourist visa, a work visa, or some sort of student visa. Its completely illogical to go through the refugee resettlement program because 1.)You have less than a 1% chance of even being considered and 2.)If you were lucky enough to be of that .5% you would most likely get caught in the screening process
3.)"Every refugee goes through an intensive vetting process, but the precautions are increased for Syrians. Multiple law enforcement, intelligence and security agencies perform “the most rigorous screening of any traveler to the U.S.,” says a senior administration official. Among the agencies involved are the State Department, the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Biometric information such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are scrutinized to ensure the applicant’s story coheres."
4.)"“The United States has resettled 784,000 refugees since September 11, 2001,” Newland wrote in a recent op-ed. “In those 14 years, exactly three resettled refugees have been arrested for planning terrorist activities—and it is worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible.”" This Chart Is The Perfect Rebuttal To Governors Who Won't Take In Syrian Refugees | ThinkProgress
 
Moving the goalposts I see..... Went from the UN is lying about its data to now "beliefs"


1.)Yes they can lie. Hence why we have such a stringent background check and verification program with multiple rounds of interviews with different agencies and multiple reviews and verifications
2.)But if someone wanted to come to America to commit some sort of terrorist attack they would not go through a 2 year refugee program. If they wanted to commit a terrorist attack its much easier and a much quicker process to get a tourist visa, a work visa, or some sort of student visa. Its completely illogical to go through the refugee resettlement program because 1.)You have less than a 1% chance of even being considered and 2.)If you were lucky enough to be of that .5% you would most likely get caught in the screening process
3.)"Every refugee goes through an intensive vetting process, but the precautions are increased for Syrians. Multiple law enforcement, intelligence and security agencies perform “the most rigorous screening of any traveler to the U.S.,” says a senior administration official. Among the agencies involved are the State Department, the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Biometric information such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are scrutinized to ensure the applicant’s story coheres."
4.)"“The United States has resettled 784,000 refugees since September 11, 2001,” Newland wrote in a recent op-ed. “In those 14 years, exactly three resettled refugees have been arrested for planning terrorist activities—and it is worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible.”" This Chart Is The Perfect Rebuttal To Governors Who Won't Take In Syrian Refugees | ThinkProgress

What they believe is the most important factor. And the UN has no idea of who is lying.

And Think Progress is not a credible source.
 
What they believe is the most important factor. And the UN has no idea of who is lying.
See the thing is, you keep on ignoring key points. So essentially I am going to repeat myself all over again:
1.)Yes they can lie. Hence why we have such a stringent background check and verification program with multiple rounds of interviews with different agencies and multiple reviews and verifications
2.)But if someone wanted to come to America to commit some sort of terrorist attack they would not go through a 2 year refugee program. If they wanted to commit a terrorist attack its much easier and a much quicker process to get a tourist visa, a work visa, or some sort of student visa. Its completely illogical to go through the refugee resettlement program because 1.)You have less than a 1% chance of even being considered and 2.)If you were lucky enough to be of that .5% you would most likely get caught in the screening process
3.)"Every refugee goes through an intensive vetting process, but the precautions are increased for Syrians. Multiple law enforcement, intelligence and security agencies perform “the most rigorous screening of any traveler to the U.S.,” says a senior administration official. Among the agencies involved are the State Department, the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Biometric information such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are scrutinized to ensure the applicant’s story coheres."

And Think Progress is not a credible source.
More logical fallacies, this one is called a genetic fallacy.

But lets go to the source of the claim in the Think Progress report:
"The reality is this: The United States has resettled 784,000 refugees since September 11, 2001. In those 14 years, exactly three resettled refugees have been arrested for planning terrorist activities—and it is worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible." The U.S. Record Shows Refugees Are Not a Threat | migrationpolicy.org Or are you going to claim now that the Migration Policy Institute not a credible source?
 
And how many are carrying diseases and are ISIS supporters or sympathizers?

As many as your fearful little mind can count!

Saying that the vetting process they go through........... I bet it will all go smoothly and your typical bull**** fear mongering will turn out to be what it really is, bull****.

Well. Not so much.

22 Percent of Resettled Refugees in Minnesota Test Positive for Tuberculosis - Breitbart

Four cases of active TB reported in refugees in Indiana!

Yeah, this was not thought out very well, and wasn't implemented very well. You can count of the government to screw it up.
Why wasn't health screening included?

With something as infectious as TB, requiring hospital isolation for a number of weeks IIR, one guess who's going to be on the hook for all that expensive treatment.

Health scare in Denmark as refugees bring back diphtheria after 20yr absence

If we'd only have paid attention to the EU countries and what they've been suffering through, use it as a warning to what's about to come to these shores. And this spreading of disease isn't done yet. Looks like diphtheria is next.
 
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See the thing is, you keep on ignoring key points. So essentially I am going to repeat myself all over again:
1.)Yes they can lie. Hence why we have such a stringent background check and verification program with multiple rounds of interviews with different agencies and multiple reviews and verifications
2.)But if someone wanted to come to America to commit some sort of terrorist attack they would not go through a 2 year refugee program. If they wanted to commit a terrorist attack its much easier and a much quicker process to get a tourist visa, a work visa, or some sort of student visa. Its completely illogical to go through the refugee resettlement program because 1.)You have less than a 1% chance of even being considered and 2.)If you were lucky enough to be of that .5% you would most likely get caught in the screening process
3.)"Every refugee goes through an intensive vetting process, but the precautions are increased for Syrians. Multiple law enforcement, intelligence and security agencies perform “the most rigorous screening of any traveler to the U.S.,” says a senior administration official. Among the agencies involved are the State Department, the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Center, the Department of Defense and the Department of Homeland Security. A DHS officer conducts in-person interviews with every applicant. Biometric information such as fingerprints are collected and matched against criminal databases. Biographical information such as past visa applications are scrutinized to ensure the applicant’s story coheres."


More logical fallacies, this one is called a genetic fallacy.

But lets go to the source of the claim in the Think Progress report:
"The reality is this: The United States has resettled 784,000 refugees since September 11, 2001. In those 14 years, exactly three resettled refugees have been arrested for planning terrorist activities—and it is worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible." The U.S. Record Shows Refugees Are Not a Threat | migrationpolicy.org Or are you going to claim now that the Migration Policy Institute not a credible source?

As a matter of fact I am. They are funded by Soros (Open Society Foundations) and other progressive orgs. like SEIU and the kicker UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
 
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As a matter of fact I am. They are funded by Soros (Open Society Foundations) and other progressive orgs. like SEIU and the kicker UN High Commissioner for Refugees.

:lamo What I'm getting is that you hold anything that disproves your false claims and discredits your irrational positions as "not credible"... So tell me, why is the Migration Policy Institute not credible? And is their claim not factual either?
 
Well. Not so much.

22 Percent of Resettled Refugees in Minnesota Test Positive for Tuberculosis - Breitbart

Four cases of active TB reported in refugees in Indiana!

Yeah, this was not thought out very well, and wasn't implemented very well. You can count of the government to screw it up.
Why wasn't health screening included?

With something as infectious as TB, requiring hospital isolation for a number of weeks IIR, one guess who's going to be on the hook for all that expensive treatment.

Health scare in Denmark as refugees bring back diphtheria after 20yr absence

If we'd only have paid attention to the EU countries and what they've been suffering through, use it as a warning to what's about to come to these shores. And this spreading of disease isn't done yet. Looks like diphtheria is next.



Oops.

Seems your screening system sucks.

Can't the American government get anything right, or were they more worried about terrorism and forgot the medical?
 
Oops.

Seems your screening system sucks.

Can't the American government get anything right, or were they more worried about terrorism and forgot the medical?

Nope. I don't believe they can get anything right. Maybe they need to go further to the right in order to get it right?
 
"Flood"!...It is a national embarrassment that we are taking so few people from the zone of real ongoing genocide. Afraid of Muslim men? - fine, at least take all the Christians, Yazidis, homosexuals, orphaned children - those who are the primary targets of the Islamist terror and not conceivably its potential agents.
 
Nope. I don't believe they can get anything right. Maybe they need to go further to the right in order to get it right?



Four years ago some Canadian musicians and their friends created a campaign to run Canada for president.

[video]http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=canada+for+president&qpvt=canada+for+president&view=d[/video]

Because of the truly angry and agitated response, so much of it personal directed at me for supporting the Syrian Airlift [where we have encountered NOT ONE thing Americans claimed would happen] this is the great irony....that with all the military force, state-of-the-art technology no one was bright enough take a 2 minute test.

Elect Canada. We'll be gentle
 
Yup.What Breitbart selectively left out for political purposes? Well if you read the report you would find:
1.)These refugees are tested for diseases when they come to the US. Its part of the screenings.
2.)If these refugees do test positive they immediately start a treatment program "Minnesota’s LTBI treatment completion rate for refugees who start treatment is one of the highest in the nation at 86 percent in 2013

More petty fear mongering.
1.)These refugees are tested for diseases when they come to the US. Its part of the screenings.
2.) The article claims that TB patients are not allowed into the US. Well thats only half the story. What Breitbart against chose to selectivley left out was the sentence following the one they quoted. "Although refugees found to have active tuberculosis (TB) on their overseas health screening are not permitted to enter the U.S. until they are treated and no longer infectious, all refugees are still screened for tuberculosis infection and disease during their domestic health screening. Refugees found to have latent TB infection are not infectious and cannot spread TB infection to others (CDC, 2014) and are offered treatment at no cost to them" In other words if you are not infectious you are allowed to enter the US
3.)As Breidbart admits, "is unclear whether these four refugees had infectious active TB prior to their arrival.". Then he claims the CDC failed at testing them before they came to Indiana.... Hmmm....
4.)And oh yea, as the report says the goal is to check for health issues and then connect the refugees with proper medical care... SO yea, they were given treatment for their active TB
"In 2015, 97.4 percent of TB cases were started on the recommended initial therapy and 96.7 percent of cases in 2014 completed their therapy. There was one case of multi-drug resistant TB in Indiana, a slight decrease from 2014." http://www.in.gov/isdh/files/2015_Annual_Report_Full_Draft_Updated.pdf

Yeah, this was not thought out very well, and wasn't implemented very well. You can count of the government to screw it up.
Why wasn't health screening included?
""is unclear whether these four refugees had infectious active TB prior to their arrival."

With something as infectious as TB, requiring hospital isolation for a number of weeks IIR, one guess who's going to be on the hook for all that expensive treatment.
You dont have to stay in a hospital isolation if you have TB. You are given drugs and you simply just need to stay home until you feel better. This is around 2 weeks.

Denmark isnt the US. Denmark refugee policies does not equal the US

If we'd only have paid attention to the EU countries and what they've been suffering through, use it as a warning to what's about to come to these shores. And this spreading of disease isn't done yet. Looks like diphtheria is next.
If only you didnt rely on fear mongering and xenophobia....
 
This is a flat out lie. Do you even believe the bull**** you spew?
"All refugees taken in by the U.S. undergo extensive background checks. The small number from Syria are subject to additional layers of security screening.

“Of all the categories of persons entering the U.S., these refugees are the single most heavily screened and vetted,” explains Jana Mason, a senior adviser to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees."
Syrian Refugees: Here's How the Screening Process Works

"Let’s begin with an overview of the refugee admissions process.

Before a refugee even faces U.S. vetting, he or she must first clear an eligibility hurdle. The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees — or occasionally a U.S. embassy or another NGO — determines which refugees (about 1 percent) should be resettled through its own process, which can take four to 10 months.

As we noted in a previous fact-check, once a case is referred from the UNHCR to the United States, a refugee undergoes a security clearance check that could take several rounds, an in-person interview, approval by the Department of Homeland Security, medical screening, a match with a sponsor agency, "cultural orientation" classes, and one final security clearance. This all happens before a refugee ever gets onto American soil.

Karen Jacobsen, the director of the Refugee and Forced Migration Program at Tufts University noted that this intensive vetting process as well as U.S law on refugees and asylum seekers "makes it difficult to quickly admit large numbers of refugees."

So how long does it take? Worldwide, about a year to 18 months, according to a State Department fact-sheet cited by the Bush campaign. A different page on the State Department website estimates an average time of 18 to 24 months.

For refugees from Syria and similar countries, however, the process can span two years, a spokesperson for the State Department told the Voice of America in September. Experts confirmed that two years is the average review duration for Syrian refugees, which means that some wait even longer.

"It can actually take almost three years. (Bush) is being optimistic," said Lavinia Limón, the president of the advocacy group, the U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants. "The process for refugees is the most extensive security screening we have for visitors. It’s easier to come in as a tourist, a student, a businessman."
Jeb Bush: 'It takes almost a year for a refugee to be processed in the United States' | PolitiFact

"This Web page provides information about the security screening and background checks required by the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) as well as the refugee resettlement process. The USRAP is an interagency effort which includes a number of governmental and non-governmental partners both abroad and in the United States. Refugee applicants have the highest level of background and security checks of any category of traveler to the United States."
https://www.uscis.gov/refugeescreening

There was an article on the internet about 2 weeks ago stating that they were processing these people thru, in about an hour.
I was going to post it but ran out of time.
 
Your last link.



Do you trust the UN who has countries like Saudi Arabia on their Human rights committees? I don't.

The largest voting block in the UN is the OIC. They could care less how many terrorists we import.

And the first bolded sentence. Where do they the intensive biographic bull**** from, let alone any biometrics? The ME just does not have records like that.

Precisely! It's a white wash by the obama Regime and liberals everywhere, devour the pablum!

I don't believe anything put out by the UN....America needs to Get Out of the UN!
 
There was an article on the internet about 2 weeks ago stating that they were processing these people thru, in about an hour.
I was going to post it but ran out of time.

Im calling bull****
 
Yup.What Breitbart selectively left out for political purposes? Well if you read the report you would find:
1.)These refugees are tested for diseases when they come to the US. Its part of the screenings.
2.)If these refugees do test positive they immediately start a treatment program "Minnesota’s LTBI treatment completion rate for refugees who start treatment is one of the highest in the nation at 86 percent in 2013


More petty fear mongering.
1.)These refugees are tested for diseases when they come to the US. Its part of the screenings.
2.) The article claims that TB patients are not allowed into the US. Well thats only half the story. What Breitbart against chose to selectivley left out was the sentence following the one they quoted. "Although refugees found to have active tuberculosis (TB) on their overseas health screening are not permitted to enter the U.S. until they are treated and no longer infectious, all refugees are still screened for tuberculosis infection and disease during their domestic health screening. Refugees found to have latent TB infection are not infectious and cannot spread TB infection to others (CDC, 2014) and are offered treatment at no cost to them" In other words if you are not infectious you are allowed to enter the US
3.)As Breidbart admits, "is unclear whether these four refugees had infectious active TB prior to their arrival.". Then he claims the CDC failed at testing them before they came to Indiana.... Hmmm....
4.)And oh yea, as the report says the goal is to check for health issues and then connect the refugees with proper medical care... SO yea, they were given treatment for their active TB
"In 2015, 97.4 percent of TB cases were started on the recommended initial therapy and 96.7 percent of cases in 2014 completed their therapy. There was one case of multi-drug resistant TB in Indiana, a slight decrease from 2014." http://www.in.gov/isdh/files/2015_Annual_Report_Full_Draft_Updated.pdf


""is unclear whether these four refugees had infectious active TB prior to their arrival."


You dont have to stay in a hospital isolation if you have TB. You are given drugs and you simply just need to stay home until you feel better. This is around 2 weeks.


Denmark isnt the US. Denmark refugee policies does not equal the US


If only you didnt rely on fear mongering and xenophobia....

I wasn't comparing refugee policies, I was pointing to the next disease that potentially might be brought to the US via this vector.

Being concerned about infectious diseases being spread is hardly fear mongering or xenophobic. It's called being responsible.

Being suspicious of the governmnet actually doing what they should be doing and doing it as well as they need to be doing it, is hardly paranoia, it's called hard won experience, especially from this administration.
 
I wasn't comparing refugee policies, I was pointing to the next disease that potentially might be brought to the US via this vector.
And that is why we have health screening programs and Denmark doesnt... "There have been discussions on whether all refugees who come to Denmark should be screened. At present Denmark doesn’t follow the World Health Organization (WHO) recommendation to vaccinate incoming migrants, unlike some other European countries."

Being concerned about infectious diseases being spread is hardly fear mongering or xenophobic. It's called being responsible.
Oh puhlease. You are clearly promoting fear of "disease" as a reinforcement for anti-refugee positions.

Being suspicious of the governmnet actually doing what they should be doing and doing it as well as they need to be doing it, is hardly paranoia, it's called hard won experience, especially from this administration.
:lamo You have not pointed to anything that can be called "failure". You posted two selectively quoted articles from the fine Breitbart media organization. Both of which if you looked into the reports they were quoting, showed that the government is doing its job....
 
And that is why we have health screening programs and Denmark doesnt... "There have been discussions on whether all refugees who come to Denmark should be screened. At present Denmark doesn’t follow the World Health Organization (WHO) recommendation to vaccinate incoming migrants, unlike some other European countries."


Oh puhlease. You are clearly promoting fear of "disease" as a reinforcement for anti-refugee positions.


:lamo You have not pointed to anything that can be called "failure". You posted two selectively quoted articles from the fine Breitbart media organization. Both of which if you looked into the reports they were quoting, showed that the government is doing its job....

So. How many refugees are you putting up at your house? Or is all this pro-immigrant talk just that. Talk.
 
:lamo What I'm getting is that you hold anything that disproves your false claims and discredits your irrational positions as "not credible"... So tell me, why is the Migration Policy Institute not credible? And is their claim not factual either?

I already did.
 
So. How many refugees are you putting up at your house? Or is all this pro-immigrant talk just that. Talk.

:lamo Now we are reaching the next irrational argument. "If you dont let refugees live in your own house then your all talk"..... This childish argument?

Just because I'm not personally going to have a refugee living in my apartment means, what? Its a political position. I believe the US government should accept more refugees and this means more funding to our refugee resettlement program. This means more personnel etc to ensure that the job is continually being done right but in a timely manner. If they are verified and screened properly then I believe our country should open the doors for them to be properly resettled in this country. They should have the opportunity to live here, work here, etc just like any other human being. That does not mean I have to personally live with them in my apartment. Housing is part of the refugee resettlement program and is paid for by that funding (our tax $). I have no problem with them being in my community if they are resettled here in the community in which I live.
 
I already did.

Im waiting on actual information. Not just, "because I say so". What information leads you to claim that the Migration Policy Institute's made is not factually accurate? What data/information do you have to prove that it is false?
 
Im waiting on actual information. Not just, "because I say so". What information leads you to claim that the Migration Policy Institute's made is not factually accurate? What data/information do you have to prove that it is false?

The funders for that site are on that site. Take a look for yourself. Those groups whitewash whatever the refugees do and transfer the blame to the citizens of host countries.
 
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