Were it not coming at the cost of personal freedoms I would have to agree.
The personal cost in this case is being coerced into giving up 30 minutes of time for a free vaccine that is virtually harmless, and maybe the slight pain of a jab. The societal benefit is a great reduction in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.
But I get it. You don’t think the government should force someone to do something they don’t want to do. But the government does this with other things like drunk driving. I don’t like having to pay 40 to 60 bucks for a taxi or an Uber to take me home after a night out drinking with friends. I don’t like paying taxes. There’s lots of stuff that is annoying or that people don’t want to do that the government makes thek
That and the usual list of effects, and issues the vaccine has. Can be just as standard as ever.
Well, funny you should mention that. The mRNA vaccines don’t have the usual list of side effects. They have fewer side effects than the old type of vaccines
That's an issue you should bring up with the other pro-mandate individuals. Because even new yorks mandates lacks most of those typical medical exemptions. So it's just as likely that other cities/states could follow suit.
This doesn’t help your argument. In your last post you were trying to argue we shouldn’t implement a policy based on rare/edge cases. Now you are complaining that NY is not making an exception for an edge case. That’s not related to your earlier point.
You need to either abandon your argument against the policy that is based on appealing to edge/rare cases, or you need to argue why we should craft policy based on edge/rare c
Nearly any action an adult takes in the US, can come with the risk of harm or death to anyone else.
Cars and traffic laws are secondary to the issue.
Yes, it is true that most human actions involve some risk, but the point about traffic laws is that it’s a domain of human activity where our society has decided it’s risky enough that it’s better to have rules to force people to do stuff they may not want to do in order to re the overall risk of death and injury.
I hate being forced to stop at a red light. I hate being forced to drive a under a certain speed limit. It’s an infringement on individual rights, but it’s better for everyone in the long run.
Something that is already set into our society
So if you accept childhood vaccinations because we are already doing it?
So e already had a vaccine mandate for Covid-19 you’d accept a vaccine mandate for Covid-19?
and if they don't then the child will have to get their schooling elsewhere.
Yes. It’s very coercive isnr
If that child isn't vaccinated, they are not nearly ejected from society. As we've risked seeing with some of the more blue states proposing such actions.
School is like one of the biggest events in a child’s life so I think it’s directly comparable to a work imposed mandate.
Also, only federal employees and contractors must get vaccinated. Everyone else can test out.
You can't get gas if you're not vaccinated, you can't use their facility, you can't buy food, and now. It comes with the added issue of not being able to have a job.
None of what you’re writing here is true. Why do you think you can’t get gas or food? Where is thus
In most sense this is akin too have a loaded gun aimed at your head and being told what to do.
Yes, it’s coercive.
No, it’s not nearly as coercive as you’ve incorrectly described.
And it’s similarly to all sorts of coercive things the government does to reduce the overall rate of risk and injury to a population as described before
Children about to attend school is an issue that rates far lower on a measurable scale here.
It’s an analogy, although in this case a very direct comparison. Just like the traffic law examples were analogies. I’m not suggesting it’s more important or less important. And for the sake of argument its importance doesn’t really matter, it’s the principle behind it that’s important.
Also, I would quibble about importance here. Childhood vaccinations save the lives of millions of children all over the world every single year. I think that is very important.